Stop the Draft / Stop Bush

[Eloriel]

I have an idea.

Let's collect all the stories and rumors and other indications that we've seen over the last few weeks that a draft is coming after Bush gets re-elected all in one place (here) and then make them available to our candidates. Best would be if someone collected them (in the 4 paragraphs + link style we use at DU) and posted them on a website. That would be great --candidates and their staff could easily get the whole picture from that, and it'd be easy to post on the blogs, send in emails, etc. We could also just use the DU thread, but they can be pretty messy. Anybody up for this?

Bush will NEVER reveal that he plans a draft. We'll have to do it for him. And one of the best ways I can think of is setting our candidates on the job. But we have to get their attention and give them the "intelligence" to back it up.

Here's DemsWillWin's latest post with a Ted Rall column I haven't read quite yet.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=843554

And the Ted Rall column: http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=127&ncid=742&e=7&u=/uclicktext/20031204/cm_ucru/acolddraft

So whadya say? Got links to add to the project? Somebody willing to make a "Just Say No to Bush and His Draft" page?

Eloriel

P.S. Selective Service: http://www.sss.gov/perfplan_FY2004.html

[nomaco-10]

1. Hi, Eloriel

Several people in the last couple of weeks, including myself, have suggested the same thing with about as much response as your post is getting.
I'm with you on this, I think it needs to put out there beyond du and given the attention and coverage it deserves.
I don't think it would be that difficult to find links and sources, the bush* administration has gotten sloppy and complacent in advancing their agenda, almost a bold and in your face cockiness that begs to be exposed. Maybe this is the one issue that will make the people in this country sit up and take notice.

[Lefta Dissenter]

2. Eloriel! GREAT IDEA!

edited to add link to Selective Service Plan for 2004
http://www.sss.gov/perfplan_fy2004.html

which enumerates a lot of very scary plans. I can't take the time now to sift through, but if anyone wants to do it, there it is (and I know that this link has been provided in other threads).

[Patriot_Spear]

3. Try this link...

http://www.bushdraft.com/index.html

[Eloriel]

4. That's good

but not quite what I had in mind. That site has all the news stories in the forum, which means someone (a busy aide) would have to sift through for the meat. I was thinking of doing the hard work of that for them -- So they have one place to go and it's all right there.

(I have to confess one of the reasons I'm asking for help with this is that I'm operating with one broken hand which severely cramps my style. LOL. I also may not have kept all the links I should have.)

Eloriel

[Dems Will Win]

5. I had the same idea 2 days ago! It should be chronological --

a DRAFT TIMELINE! Like the 9-11 Timelines.

THANK YOU ELORIEL

1992-98 PNAC plans to build base in Iraq
2001 Bush plans ramp up in 2004, draft in 2005
2003 Iraq conquest, colonization on false WMD excuse
2003 $28 mil allocated perf plan
2003 DRAFT BOARD notice to recruit members, first ad in 20 + years, SCRUBBED
Nov. Zell Miller says we may need DRAFT
Nov. Troop article, Band sent
Nov CBO story – unable to sustain in Iraq past March 2004
Nov. 24, 2003 - $28 million signed into law by BUSH to gear up DRAFT
Dec. DRAFT BOARD notice to recruit members goes back up on SSS home page with 2 sentences saying NO connection to Iraq
Dec 4 Ted Rall article on February Surprise in 2005

ETC.

BUSH IN '04 = DRAFT IN '05 (Someboody please make this bumpersticker someone else thought up)

Unfortunately, I have too much work today to work on this. If you really want to redefeat Bush, help out.

[Ugnmoose]

6. I have been thinking the same thing

Many people I talk to with teen age sons I quite worried about this. I think this is potentially a very hot issue and can galvanize alot of support against Bush.

Question: Have any of the major Dem candidates addressed this issue at all?

[Dirty Hippie]

7. I'll make the page if you supply content

Been a web developer for over 4 years.

PM me.

I've been following this issue for some time.

[Dirty Hippie]

8. This exists

http://technologyreports.net/stopthedraft/

[Dems Will Win]

15. This is a great site! But we still need to create a draft timeline, this

is a collection of articles about lots of angles on this. We need a straightforward chronology to really convince people in one quick read.

[Dems Will Win]

9. Some more

HCPDS for doctors and nurses firmed up in 2002 or 2003, I think.

Special Skills Draft for computer people, engineers and especially linguists - Brodsky says top priority couple of years ago

Philly draft board member says Boards "unexpectedly told to recruit" over the Summer (Salon.com)

DU members report Band being sent, old retirees get notice they may be recalled to train DRAFTEES

Nov. Pentagon says at least 100,000 troops needed in Iraq through 2006 (NYT)

SEE HOW CONVINCING A TIMELINE WILL BE?

(I use them all the time to defeat Republicans--I've won 22 races and they were all lost causes)

[Dems Will Win]

13. Some more

2 years ago Brodsky said Special Skills DRAFT to draft for computer people, engineers, linguists, anyone the ARMY needs up to age 45 is "top priority"

Linguists all recalled

DU member reports old retiree gets notice of possible recall to train DRAFTEES

DU member reports BAND members sent to Iraq to fight

Nov. NYT - Pentagon says 100,000 troops needed in Iraq throughout 2006

Nov. Taliban take back some southern provinces because only 3,000 US troops in Afghanistan. (8,000 others from other countries).

[Walt Starr]

10. Somebody, somewere, needs to get Bush on the record on this

In some forum, somewhere, when Bush takes questions (yeah, I know, tought thing to do), somebody MUST ask this question:

"Will you pledge right now that you will not reinstate a draft for pre-emptive war?"

It'll take him by surprise and he'll have to say he won't answer or say no.

[JNelson6563]

11. the more coverage this gets the better

just like the BBV.

The question must be asked loudly and often: How do you propose to ensure we have enough soldiers for all of our committments?

Rumsfeld, Powell, Jr, everyone needs to pinned down repeatedly. Not to mention Scotty-the-mouthpiece.

Julie

[Dirty Hippie]

12. My offer

to clarify was to make a web site devoted to this subject. If Dems will Win and/or Eloriel are up to supplying the content I will arrange hosting, make the pages and maintain it. Let me know if you are interested.

On edit: I'm a techie, writing is not my strongest suit.

[Dems Will Win]

14. I'm all in, OMG -- but how do I PM you?

Someone said 91% of people between 18 and 29 opposed to the DRAFT being reinstated. This would knock Bush down into the low 40s or high 30s by November if we can get it out. I've e-mailed to many in the media and NOTHING except for Ted Rall so far.

[Dirty Hippie]

16. Go to the lobby

click on profiles (at the top) Find me under the "o"s and click "send private message".

[nostamj]

18. or just click on

this icon next to your name:

[DoYouEverWonder]

17. I love collecting stories

Gives me an excuse to read every paper in the world. I'll go look for stuff.

[Dems Will Win]

19. OMG - I have to download AOL IM I guess -- I will have to get back to

this all later on today and PM you then. My kid has the flu major.

Plus it will take some time to pull stuff together. Meanwhile, if someone out there knows how to google or yahoo, they will find links easily. Post them here to make my life easier (it's very hard right now).

You know, if everybody helps...

...Dems Will Win!

[Dirty Hippie]

20. You don't need

AOL Instant message. Just type your message in the form and I should get it.

If you can, go on annd PM me so I will have your email address (your PM is disabled so I cannot PM you). Then we can begin to converse.

No rush on the content I need to think about artwork first but I would like your input.

[Eloriel]

21. NOT THAT HARD -TO PM

There are several little icons next to each poster. One of them is for Private Message. Just click on that and write your message.

I'm in, guys. I'll PM you both tomorrw --way past my bedtime.

Thanks!

Eloriel

[kayob1]

27. Here are a few more.

<http://www.staugustine.com/stories/020603/ira_1300800.shtml>

<http://www.pressaction.com/pablog/archives/001138.html>

<http://www.pressaction.com/pablog/archives/001138.html>

<http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2003/11/03/draft/index.html>

<http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/147483_draft08.html>

<http://www.thestate.com/mld/thestate/2003/11/10/news/nation/7218918.htm>

<http://www.bruderhof.com/articles/jca/Military-Draft.htm>

<http://www.counterpunch.org/lindorff11052003.html>

<http://www.nonviolence.org/articles/1003-arnold.php>

<http://www.commondreams.org/headlines03/0123-04.htm>

<http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,525036643,00.html>

This one has links to several other articles.

<http://www.democrats.com/preview.cfm?term=Military%20Draft>

[Eloriel]

22. About the draft idea

I've PM'd the others (finally) -- anyone else interested?

Eloriel

[PaDUer]

33. Add me...

then email me..

[kayob1]

23. Like this?

<http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/3242923.stm>

[Dems Will Win]

25. That's it exactly! Post all draft articles in this thread or PM them to

me or OhMyGod or Eloriel.

We also need the following pictures which we will cycle through:
the Lottery, draft board exams, etc. Whatever image best says draft by Bush/Cheney/Rummy

[althecat]

28. I am dead keen on this project....

BTW...

and keen to help...

[David Zephyr]

24. Excellent Idea.

Everytime I mention to a Republican that Bush will reinstate the Draft if re-elected, they immediately have the same response, "That will NEVER happen." It's like they have been coached or simply refuse to believe it.

Parents of 16 to 19 year-olds who vote Republican are very nervous about this.

Eloriel, you have an excellent idea! :hi:

[althecat]

26. Received this by email...This from DOD Arizona. New for 2004.

This from DOD Arizona. New for 2004.


>>> The following is the result of changes to Arizona law effective
January 01, 2004.

Selective Service Registration - Federal law requires that every male
United States citizen and male alien residing in the United States and
its territories must register with the U.S. Selective Service System
within 30 days of his 18th birthday. Beginning January 01, 2004,
Arizona law requires that by submitting an application for an original,
renewal or reinstatement driver license or identification card, male
applicants under 26 years of age must consent to registration with the
Selective Service as part of the application process. When submitting
an application for a duplicate driver license or identification card,
male applicants under 26 years of age have the option to consent to
registration as part of the application process.

Registering with Selective Service does not mean that you are joining
the military. Registration provides the federal government with an
accurate list of males who might be called to military service if a
return to the draft is authorized by Congress and the President.

If you are 18 to 25 years of age, registration information will
immediately be sent to Selective Service. If you are under 18,
information will be stored and automatically sent to the Selective
Service when you reach age 18. Selective Service will send you a
Registration Acknowledgment Card when your registration is complete.

For more information call Selective Service toll-free at 888-655-1825
or visit www.sss.gov. <<<

[proud patriot]

29. I'm up to help on this

My son may only be seven , but I know many
that would be affected .

[RamseyClark23]

30. Yahoo news

reported a couple months ago about a guy claiming he has a time traveller, and that isn't the first of their wierd stories. No offense but I don't believe much of anything from that place.

[Eloriel]

31. I want to kick this and also say that

those who have offered to be part of this, please PM me with your reg email address.

I've broken my right hand and am limited to hunt and peck typing for the moment. I'd ;ike to collect the email addresses and be in touch all at once.

Thanks

[oasis]

32. kick

[Eloriel]

34. Ted Rall column - Cold Draft

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=127&ncid=742&e=7&u=/uclicktext/20031204/cm_ucru/acolddraft