Dean on Hardball with Tweety tonight at 7 pm EST

[pruner]

enjoy.

:)

[kodi]

1. hot damn! and he's smiling!

i hope he eats tweety alive.

[liberalnurse]

2. I doubt that will be the tone......

It has started off in a friendly and informative posture.

[onecitizen]

93. He did great!!!

He's getting better at speaking publicly.

[BenZodiac]

22. sorry I am young

Why do they call Matthews Tweety?

[spooky3]

41. Welcome, Ben, it is because he looks like Tweety Bird.

(of Bugs Bunny fame, if you're REALLY young)

[Name removed]

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[goobergunch]

5. linky to back up your statements?

:evilgrin:

[wyldwolf]

24. Try this...

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=ISO-8859-1&scoring=d&edition=us&q=Chris+Matthews+Howard+Dean+Woonsocket&btnG=Google+Search

Several articles quoting a Woonsocket Call article...

[goobergunch]

26. Point taken (n/t)

[Touchdown]

19. You got pictures?

How much?:-)

[Hoppin_Mad]

4. Dean's starting off strong !

Very presidential ! ;-)

[Jackson4Gore]

6. Very presidential? How is that.

What is so speacial?

[LSparkle]

8. Love the bumper sticker!

Can I get one at the link on your message? (Get in there, Al!)

[WhosNext]

7. He looks like a wrestling coach dressed up for the yearly sports banquet

after a losing season.


Sorry, I had to.

[Cocoa]

10. rofl

that was funny. No slam on Dean, he's doing good, but that description was funny.

[pruner]

14. how can you tell it was a losing season?

I'm with you on the banquet comment but you lost me on the losing season.

[Demobrat]

17. Is he wearing his smiley face tie?

nt

[Rose Siding]

9. He's getting a very good reception

and Matthews said "we have an honest man here" when Dean was straight about not wanting to go to Vietnam.

[JNelson6563]

11. I think it's going very well

Dean rocks and Matthews has always had a bit of respect for him cause he's a fighter.

Julie

[blm]

95. Maybe because Matthews has been "told" to lay off by Jack Welch.

The same people who told him to take Gore down. 17% of all the antiGore reports during 2000 were from Tweety's show. Hardly a comforting fact for Democrats aware of media bias.

[Egnever]

12. well there you go its now out there

Chris were you hoping to get out of vietnam when you went into your draft physical?

Dean .... Yes..

This guy kills me with his willingness to tell the truth even though it may not be popular. I love him!

Looking forward to days of dean the draft dodger posts to follow.

[NashVegas]

16. We're About to Find Out if People Want Honesty As Much As They Say They Do

.

[goobergunch]

21. Ah well, I've got my I.G.N.O.R.E. cannon ready

(shamelessly lifted from Reploid Productions)

[Terwilliger]

13. Dean says he has no choice in how media portrays him

Says Bush can't manage money!!!

[phirili]

15. My first good post on Dean. Proud of his direct "yes" answer to deferment

question. Nice and direct, I'm looking forward more of this from Dean.

[Cocoa]

30. I liked that answer too

he handled the tough questions from Tweety pretty well, and Tweety helped him out a little at the end.

But I was disappointed in his dodge on the state spending limits. I think the woman wanted a follow up, since he didn't answer her question, but Tweety moved on.

[Julien Sorel]

36. He thinks he can afford honesty.

Unfortunately, integrity isn't the sort of thing you display when it's convenient. Either you have it or you don't, and Dean has already built a track record in this area. If he perceives the payoff as being worth it, out will come the lies again.

[Terwilliger]

18. That girl had a pretty complicated question

for a Tweety grouper

Did you see the look on her face when he was done?

[Terwilliger]

20. on middle east: treat people with respect, they'll treat you with respect

[_Jumper_]

25. He called for equal treatment of Arab nations and Israel

n/t

[JNelson6563]

27. disappointed with his answer

and the crowd's applause to it. hahaha

Wonder whose camp she's in?

Julie

[Egnever]

29. Saw her

And her question wasnt fully answered :( I was waiting for him to answer it but he dodged sort of.

He is right his campaign is campaign fionance reform but a direct answer to the spending limit caps would have been wonderfull to hear.

[Terwilliger]

23. Dean would dispatch Clinton to middle East as negotiator

Tweety went to question of Clinton being Secy. State

[Khephra]

28. This is such a better showing of Dean than Meet The Press!

He's always better when he's got an audience to respond to, and it shows tonight.

[FlashHarry]

31. Jeez, what's with the masturbatory Hardball promo???

"One person is dominating the presidential election campaign???" (To the tune of The Who's Won't Get Fooled Again). :puke:

[Terwilliger]

33. Tweety is a fool

but he's deceptive

[WhosNext]

34. I tip my hat

wooo

[LSparkle]

43. I'm not fond of the subliminal message of

"Meet the new boss/Same as the old boss" ...

[Terwilliger]

32. question framed by T. Heinz-Kerry statement about prisoners at Gitmo

Dean says Geneva convention should apply

OnEdit: added statement

[Terwilliger]

35. Tweety fumbling and bumbling

I think he may be flush!! ;-)

[wyldwolf]

37. ah, yes... Tweety in love....

Dean is looking the best I've seen him look....

...or maybe Matthews should change the name of his show tonight to Softball.

[FlashHarry]

38. He's easily impressed by his betters.

For years, he's ripped Hillary. When she was on his show for the full hour, he was fawning and effusive. Typical.

[jpgray]

40. Right, that's Matthews in a nutshell (nt)

[WhosNext]

39. Dean is very powerful in person, supposedly.

[texas is the reason]

42. re: corporations: "we are cogs in the machine"...

where's my checkbook!! go dean!!

[Khephra]

44. This audience is eating up Dean's comments!

I was a bit worried about Dean being on Hardball earlier. This is, or rather was, one of his weaker points. But he's been practicing. He's been practicing a lot.

I wonder who has been working with him on interviews?

[Cocoa]

57. except for that older couple

they cut to a comically bored-looking older couple while Dean was saying the corporations had too much power -- duh -- these people had probably seen actual socialists speak.

I think Dean probably has good programs. I saw him speak very articulately and detailedly about childcare yesterday on C-span. But I don't think they match his rhetoric, though the rhetoric gets the cheers.

[Terwilliger]

45. Dean whuppin' on Tweety-face!

asked Tweety if that was a values-loaded-question and the audience interrupted Tweety with applause

[FlashHarry]

48. Did you hear them hiss Tweety?

Hilarious! Then he became petulant and said, "this is Hardball, not Success Magazine." :puke:

[A-Schwarzenegger]

100. I am changing my vote from the Gen Clark to the Dr Gov Dean.

I can not hep myself.
This interview was a vertiable lovefeast.
I need a cigarette. (I do not smoke!)

[Terwilliger]

46. It's a free country because benefits come from unions?

Is Tweety going to be any more obvious that he's not a well man?

[HootieMcBoob]

121. anytime tweety says that shit about right to work

it just needs to be pointed out to him that he (tweety) is in a union himself. I'm sure he's in AFTRA. Just ask him if he pays dues. How would the other people in his union feel if he didn't pay those dues. AFTRA is a very strong union.

Dean is doing an awesome job by the way. I'm a Clark supporter at this point and I'm looking forward to seeing him next week but dean is rocking the house.

[phirili]

47. Tweety has Dean waffling. Dean has to take control, and avoid Tweety

start stop style. Something that strikes me about Dean is his avoidance of direct answers.

[Cush]

49. Soviet Union?

That doesn't exist any more...........

Expect that to be used in clips......

[_Jumper_]

50. Soviet Union?????????

Dean just confused Russia with the defunct USSR...

[DemocratSinceBirth]

53. I Hope This Isn't

a "Eastern Europe Is Not Under Soviet Domination" moment....


That sunk Ford.....


I hope Dean amends his statement.....

[_Jumper_]

56. I do not think it will be that bad

It will likely rank up there with Bush's foreign policy "quiz" in 2000. This will raise doubts about his ability to handle foreign affairs among undecided voters.

[Zynx]

160. Do you have any idea how many people call Russia that?

It's an old habit, particularly for Baby Boomers.

[FlashHarry]

51. Whoops. the "Soviet Union" doesn't exist anymore, Howard!

Understandable mistake, though.

[Khephra]

58. It comes from being at least a certain age

I'm 35, but I still will say USSR every so often. Russia/Soviet Union/USSR are just so closely tied together in the minds of those of us who grew up during the Cold War.

[Dudley_DUright]

77. I agree Kef

While he should have said states of the former Soviet Union, I think people knew that he knows that there is no longer a USSR. Now if Bush had said this, I would not be so sure.

[Jacobin]

94. Quicker than saying the "Former Soviet Bloc Members"

As an older person, I say it sometimes too. They were the Soviet Union for a long long time.

[Ksec]

52. Hes doing a bang up job. Looks very good. nt

[cthrumatrix]

54. tweety confuses "fast talk" with intelligence...his rapid fire questions

do nothing but infuriate the viewer because the guest never has a chance to answer

heck...shrub's head would spin and litterally fall-off IF tweety ever was able to use this style against *

[phirili]

61. I agree Shrub would choke. But Tweety would cater for his deficiencies

[blm]

117. Matthews handled Bush much the same way.

Hands off, no in your face like he does with Democrats. Welch rules Tweety with an iron hand.

[Terwilliger]

62. Matthews is entirely self-involved

it serves us in certain ways, but it's more like the guy who rewatches the show right after airing to marvel at his own brilliance

[phirili]

55. Might, may, if and speculation seems to be the basis of Dean's answers

[KittyWampus]

59. Dean Just Backpedalled On ReRegulating Industry

Says he wants ACCOUNTABILITY (Clark's position)

Says he wouldn't break up the media conglomerates but appoint people to FCC (Clark's position)

Says media can't be as big as they are now but wouldn't pass a law to limit them (talks out both sides of mouth

[unfrigginreal]

76. Nope

He just elaborated on his own proposals.

[KittyWampus]

102. He Just Talked Out Of Both Sides Of His Mouth

Will he break up conglomerates NO

But he says the media can't be the same size it is now...

Chris asks him point blank will he REREGULATE

Dean says NO, he'll work for ACCOUNTABILITY

This is what Clark said. And Dean JUST SAID HE WOULDN'T REREGULATE

[madfloridian]

He has to work through the FCC on it, he can not just take a hammer

and bust up the conglomerates. Then everything else he said was just exactly about reregulating.....how we were being harmed by lack of responsibility.

I have it on tape, when the transcript comes out we will check.

He did NOT backtrack. He was trying to get the point across while Tweety was talking over him. What he was saying in effect amounted to the fact that he would try to reregulate certain areas.

[CWebster]

132. What can you expect from the Clark corps?

They are on a mission, manning their posts around the clock. It pisses them off should anyone squeak at their master and the forces rally in formation, and here they are deficating all over the thread, with their snide remarks and freeper posters. You know, it wouldn't surprise in the least if they were plants to disrupt and divide the Left.

[KittyWampus]

144. Dean Has Been Spouting Off About REREGULATION

and he just backtracked....

When Chris pressed Dean for specifics Dean buckled.

Face it, Dean's comments about REREGULATION have been non specific.

He was basically pandering...

Chris asks him if he'd break up the media and Dean says- No

But then Dean says "media can't be as big as it is now"

Dean can't have it both ways.

[CWebster]

157. It wasn't as cut and dried as that

He could barely answer with tweety sputtering, but you are stretching here pal-dean was clear enough about his views.

[phirili]

163. Dean was trying his fence sitting answers; does not work with follow ups

Remember his dubious answer to slowing the growth of medicare.

On the Rock the vote debate, Dean was the first to be asked about smoking weed, his answer was that he wouldn't touch the question with a 10 foot pole. After the other candidates admitted smoking; only then Dean said he did smoke weed.

We need a leader not a fence sitter.

[oasis]

169. Must be contagious, I've seen such behavior on Clark/ Kerry threads.

:evilgrin:

[KittyWampus]

142. He Just Said What Clark Has Said

And I was taking notes....

Chris asked if Dean would REREGULATE and Dean said NO ACCOUNTABILITY.

Asks if Dean would break up Fox and Dean says "can't ask me now"

Chris- would you break up conglomerates Dean-work through FCC...

THIS IS WHAT CLARK'S position is....

There's a BIG difference between passing legislation which would REREGULATE which is what Dean SAID...

And working through the FCC and holding media ACCOUNTABLE...

But then Dean hasn't ever been pressed by his supporters for specifics so when he says REREGULATE his supporters simpky genuflect.

[madfloridian]

172. A correction.....Clark thinks DEregulation works just fine.

Now you are going on ignore. You don't want to be convinced. You are just being argumentative.

That is one issue where Clark is just very wrong. You know what Dean means, he made it clear. Shame on you just for being difficult.

[xultar]

149. tee heee hee

[FlashHarry]

60. "A Beautiful Mind?" Ugh.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

66. I Would Have Said The Godfather or Scarface

but I'm not running for pres....

[FlashHarry]

73. LOL!

Good point. Maybe he should've said Bad Santa!

[realFedUp]

153. Too complex a film for someone like Shrub

An interesting answer...and it was a great film
and performance by Russell Crowe.

[Teaser]

158. A Beautiful Mind RAWKS!!!

Cause it's about the coolest job in the world: a mathematician.

[KittyWampus]

63. Clinton Excellent on Domestic Policy?

So what about reregulating industry?

[blm]

83. I still can't believe he said GHWBush was excellent on foreign policy.

It's GHWBush's foreign policy that has LED to all the shit we're dealing with today. Geez..what do you expect from someone who didn't stand against the illegal contra wars.

[Jacobin]

86. He has a point

GWI costs the U.S. zip, a real coalition paid for it and it was supported and kicked saddam out of a country he invaded.

Compared to Smirky, GHWB is a saint.

[KittyWampus]

110. Still, Dean Just Basically Praised Bush Sr.

Now let's see how many supporters disavow this.....

[spooky3]

115. IMHO, 60% or more of the American electorate would

have agreed with all of Dean's brief assessments of those presidents, with the possible exception of his eval. of Reagan, since many people are still delusional about his record.

[KittyWampus]

150. Hmmm, Well Some Dean Supporters Thought Clark Was Evil

For giving any Bush credit in any way shape or form for anything ever.....

[madfloridian]

118. He has always said he respected Bush I for a lot of things.

There is a difference in the two.

[fujiyama]

171. Respect is one thing...

but calling GHWBush's FP "excellect" was a bit of a stretch.

He could have used a different word, other than "excellent". When Bush Sr. signed a ceasefire with Saddam, and allowed and watched the Shiites he supported to rise up and be slaughtered, his foreign policy became mediocre at best.

Otherwise, I'd say Dean did a pretty good, perhaps, even a great job. It was his best performance I've seen. I've been really dissapointed with his debate performances, but then again, those debates have proven to be a waste of time, and hasn't really allowed Dean (and other serious candidates) the time they need to explain their policies.

I now no longer view him as "unelectable" as I did earlier, and even though he's not my No #1 pick, I know now I'd support him wholeheartedly against Bush*.

[blm]

129. That doesn't absolve Bush1 from what his policies have wrought.

There are millions of people dead from too many wars, some of them covert wars, that Bush1 has been instrumental in starting and pursuing.

Dean hasn't figured out Bush1's culpability in what's happening today, but, 90% of DU has.

[Terwilliger]

64. gesundheit!

[phirili]

65. Dean has to make that laugh look more natural.

[phirili]

67. That crazy Elf guy give Dean a killer. Good apology

[CWebster]

138. Pick tht photo up at one of your

freeper hangouts? Isn't that their spin? I suppose I could go trolling for a snap of your blank-eyed fool if you want us all to come down to your level.

[DemNoir]

70. I think

His laugh is totally natural

[Egnever]

74. Tough audience

Couple bush supporters asking questions. One in the background wearing a bush T-shirt.

Nice to see some hardball on hardball.

[Terwilliger]

68. Dean asked about foreign policy experience

Said he has at least as much as Bush, Clinton, Reagan, and Carter did when they became president

[Jacobin]

69. Geeze Freeper attacks from the audience

Or, could they be Holy Joe supporters?

[Terwilliger]

71. freeper attacks?

I heard a girl say something about loving Dean

[Jacobin]

84. The "hidden records" and "wouldn't meet with us"

Bushite, but generally good stuff

[kerry-is-my-prez]

167. Holy Cow! Those students are tough....

n/t

[KittyWampus]

72. Nasty Comment About Reporters Harassing Him About SEaled Records

thus not having time to meet with Harvard students....

Sorry Dean, you're running for President.... press is gonna ask questions.

Although til now they've granted you some degree of Teflon.

[Egnever]

79. um whats your point here?

That he shouldnt respond to the press that reaches millions or that he should blow them off and spend the time with the students instead?

Or are you just here to hate Dean?

[Jacobin]

89. Wha?

Maybe he's tired of being badgered by Rove talking points. I'm glad there is someone who's willing to call them on their tactics rather than bowing down and getting it shoved up his ass.

GO DEAN

[KittyWampus]

105. Dean Whining About Being "Harassed" By Reporters

Not Good....

I don't remember Clark ever whining about being harassed by reporters about his having voted for Republicans up til 10 years ago.

Nor has he complained about any of the same Rove talking points he keeps getting asked.

He answers them with a smile.

[madfloridian]

128. They have beseiged him today on this issue.

See my other post about his comments. I would imagine he just chose not to meet with a group who is already opposed to him.

[KittyWampus]

75. Foreign Policy Experience- Dean'll Have A Good "Team"

and advisers...

Makes mistake of citing Bush having no experience....

[Jim Sagle]

108. No mistake about it.

[xultar]

154. Condi Rice is a good advisor....maybe he can use her! tee hee hee n/t

[Rose Siding]

78. Hot dang, he's good

The pubs are throwing q's and he's just answering. I don't know why this seems so remarkable to me, but it does.

[Fleshdancer]

123. after the past several years with bush around...

...I can understand why a politician answering questions seems so remarkable to you!

[texas is the reason]

80. Jaspora? dean REALLY needs a new faviorite song...

i am sorry, i am familiar with the song and think it has a nice feel to it, but it is written in creole!! for him to claim this as his faviorite song comes off as a HUGE pander, and i am sure bushco will make him eat it..

[pruner]

88. what he said is that Wyclef Jean is his favorite singer

he said Jaspora was his favorite song at a debate several months ago.

[texas is the reason]

97. cool.. maybe he is in the process of dropping it....but what about..

"Gone till november"!!! that would be perfect! still wyclef and all..

[realFedUp]

141. He said he just got a new CD

We all change our favorites, don't we :-)

[Jacobin]

92. Maybe he wants some Louisiana votes....

:-)

What the hell is wrong with that?

[texas is the reason]

114. nothing wrong with that -

i hope he gets those votes- but there is a fine line between broad appeal and pandering- and no one likes a candidate who just panders and speaks in platitudes..AHEM <CLARK> ahem...damn cough...

[Jim Sagle]

111. No they won't.

[KittyWampus]

81. Good On Dean!!!!!!

Education, Health Care Jobs not Race the way GOP runs races...

Got a great reaction!

[Dudley_DUright]

107. That was great

but then Tweety had to immediately intrude with the oh so predictable question about the tired confederate flag question.

[Jacobin]

82. WOW.

Nice shot at repuke race division tactics. Stop talking aboug god, guns, abortion and gays, start talking about jobs health care economy.

Brought the house down!!!!

[spooky3]

90. Agreed, I was surprised at how well-received that statement was.

I think overall he did well but needs to be ready with specifics on re-regulation. Chris went easy on him for 3/4 of the time and couldn't stop interrupting at other times, but legitimately pushed hard on exactly what Dean means when he calls for more corporate control. This is where someone like Edwards shines, with less preparation and forewarning, probably because of years of litigation. Oh how I would love the two of them to join up.

[Jacobin]

99. Edwards was not a corporate governance/class action litigator

He was a personal injury plaintiff's lawyer. Large difference in areas of expertise.

[spooky3]

103. I'm talking process, not content.

The point is that litigators have to be prepared for the unexpected and they argue for a living. Edwards is better at dealing with a left-field question and tapdancing than Dean is.

[KittyWampus]

119. Dean Doesn't Need To Tapdance-Just Stop Pandering

Chris's question was actually straightfoward and Dean couldn't answer it without doubletalking.

Bascially, Dean is NOT FOR REREGULATION but he says he is.

Call on Dean for specifics and he buckles under.

[spooky3]

127. I agree it was a good question (see my earlier post)

but disagree about your take on Dean's sincerity. I just think he was unprepared because his thinking is at the general level rather than the specific level. IMHO, he needs to think hard with his advisers about exactly what reregulation is appropriate in his view, with specific examples. It's too complex a topic to try to do it on your feet.

[Julien Sorel]

145. Then he shouldn't toss the subject around casually until

he knows what he's talking about. It's way too important to play political football with. I think he was full of shit the whole time, though, but either way, it makes him look bad if anyone actually digs deep on it.

[KittyWampus]

148. Dean Is Running For President NOW. If He Doesn't Understand Economics

without the help of his advisors to the extent that he can make a speech about ReRegulation and knowwhat the heck he is actually saying then he has no business running.

Are you suggesting that his speech writers just slipped the term Reregulation into his speeches?

[Julien Sorel]

170. In a way. I think he thought it sounded cool,

sounded like an 'aggressive' kind of thing to say, so he did it, without really meaning anything specific. Maybe he allowed the words to be shoved into his mouth and maybe not. Look at all the positive attention it got him, especially from some of the Greener Deanites. After he started getting feedback from certain persons -- those people his campaign are supposed to insulate him from, by the way -- he realized he overstepped. Similar to Israel and another of his flip flops. I think the Israel one was a more genuine mistake, whereas this one was the result of mis-calculation. Regulation is not a topic to be fooled with; it ruffles too many feathers, is political dynamite -- not the good kind -- and has made for bad policy more often than not recently.

[xultar]

151. tee hee hee

[ozone_man]

156. Wish I had seen it,

but reading this thread is almost as good. Just keep on with that message Dean, it resonates.

[realFedUp]

85. Good job Doc!

too bad you can't prescribe some Prozac for Matthews.

[spooky3]

91. LOL, he needs downers, not Prozac!

[realFedUp]

96. Sorry, don't know the meds

fortunately...:-)

[texas is the reason]

87. wow! great performace by dean

[evil_orange_cat]

101. I agree... I'm now a Deaniac

This guy is the best candidate for president. I was starting to lean towards Clark, but Dean just proved to me he's the right man for the job. He was honest and straight forward tonight. And he didn't just say what people wanted to hear. He spoke from his heart. Every single thing he said tonight spoke to what I want from a President and our government.

Sorry Wesley... Dean's my guy.

GO DEAN!

[texas is the reason]

124. WOO HOO!! welcome aboard!

[slinkerwink]

174. welcome aboard!

:hi:

[Hoppin_Mad]

98. I give it an 8.5 - A solid performance

nt

[Jacobin]

104. I agree. Very solid performance

He's taking advantage of the process to learn from it and he gets better each time.

Dean is my man.

[spooky3]

109. He definitely learns and gets better and here it is an

advantage that Tweety has a small audience--all the candidates can make some mistakes and not jeopardize everything. The question is who will learn from the experience.

I expect the Repugs to make his back xray statements into some type of "draft dodging" BS but people for whom that matters (yet who are unconcerned about W's AWOL status) would never have voted for any Democrat anyway.

[A-Schwarzenegger]

106. I am changing my vote from the Gen Clark to the Dr Gov Dean.

I can not hep myself.
This interview was a vertiable lovefeast.
I need a cigarette. (I do not smoke!)

[texas is the reason]

134. for you to approve of our lovefest is quite a compliment mr.Schwarzeneger

-we'll try to have enough blow and courvoisier to go around next time <smoking>- aahhh..

[A-Schwarzenegger]

162. I do not approve of the lovefeast

but I can not hep myself from joining in.
I like to be swept away by the sea of faces.
I like to be with the frontrunner. It is
more fun and happier and where the action and
gals is. I'm afraid the other candidates are fading
into the woodworks. No fun in the woodworks.

[PBinOregon]

112. Our Next President

Dean was great tonight--relaxed, focused, honest and open hearted.

We have excellent candidates for 2004, and Gov. Dean is the one I believe will be our next president.

I very, very, very much look forward to working on his behalf (next meet up this Wed), to celebrating his nomination and, of course, his victory in November.

It's up to us, and we can make it happen.

[Jim Sagle]

113. The other candidates might as well close up shop.

[cthrumatrix]

136. I have to agree....Dean is gaining his feet and clearly a "contender"

to knock the hell out of the "pretender"*

[CWebster]

116. Too many commercials

to enjoy.

[Zomby Woof]

120. evasive, smarmy, unctious

Defended Colin Powell, dodged the campaign finance question, said the way to improve civics education is to join "Dean for America" because he has 1 out of 4 supporters who are under 30, and pretty much harkened for the status quo by doing a roll call of potential advisers who will perpetuate the same old tired and dead-end foreign policy "solutions". Is THIS our answer to Bush????

Same ol' same ol'.

Why the fuck is this obfuscating dildo the frontrunner? :wtf: I am truly and deeply at a loss. Dean will not make a good president. With a GOP congress, he will go down in flames early.

[realFedUp]

125. A lot of us disagree with you ZW

:-)

[blm]

133. A lot of us DON'T.

:-)

[realFedUp]

139. we ALWAYS know you don't blm

:-)

[Zomby Woof]

140. a lot of people watch Survivor

A lot of people shop at WalMart, and lot of people buy Britney Spears albums.

So a lot of people eat shit too. What do I give a fuck if a lot of people disagree with me? Especially Dean cultists.

[realFedUp]

143. nice language ZW

We may disagree with who we are supporting, but
your language isn't deserved by any Democrat running.

[Zomby Woof]

152. tough titties

:-)

[realFedUp]

155. something stronger than coffee

in your cup there Zombie...:-)

[Zomby Woof]

159. yeah

Humor and reason are in my cup, which is much stronger than cult-like blind devotion to your leader.

[curse10]

131. Nice

and I agree 100%

I was watching tonight, hoping to be impressed. I was very disappointed. I thought he dodged and ducked. He had a few good answers-- nice soundbite material. But substance? Very litte. He got flustered, made some faux pas' (the whole Soviet Union thing), and looked stiff. And, honestly, the crowd wasn't that hot. I was there for the Kerry taping. A lot more enthusiasm there.

I'm anxiously awaiting the Clark show next week.

[realFedUp]

137. I'm surprised by your Dean avatar

Dean had a good show especially since Matthews
was acting like he was extra ADD tonight.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

168. He seems very unsure when answering questions about Foreign Policy

n/t

[Terwilliger]

147. heh

Woof!

[NewYorkerfromMass]

166. Dean? president? dealing with a GOP congress?

LOL!!! ...don't worry, he won't get that far.

[Zomby Woof]

176. I know

But I like to humor the rascals. :-)

[AmericanDem]

122. Dean clueless on World Affairs

This guy is so completely vacant on World Affairs, it's scarey! Between the nervous twitching and readjusting himself in his seat, talk about someone so uneasy with an issues.

Most I heard was he has and will have great advisors ( ummm, that is what Bush says! .... Note to Dean, your the 1 running for pres. ) Also he stated he has been to at least 50 countries, WOW how wonderful but skiing, swimming laying in the sun doesn't cut, Barney Rubble!

[realFedUp]

126. and a lot of us would disagree with you also AD

:-)

AD, I'm surprised you are still hanging out at this
...what did you call DU?...a "greasy" place?

[RevolutionStartsNow]

130. Dean relaxes on TV, has a great time

[HoosierClarkie]

135. Overall I think he represented Democrats well.

He is not my guy. I just do not think he has the experience. I do think that he did a good job representing all Democrats tonight.

[WhosNext]

146. Any chance this will be shown online?

[UrbScotty]

161. "Why should we take the time to vote for you...

...if you don't take the time to visit us?"

That was kind of trivial, IMO.

[Romberry]

164. Great appearance

That is all.

[Kahuna]

165. Just finished watching the tape I made. Dean did...

well because he wasn't drilled or drubbed. It was a pleasant, friendly conversation. Period.

Some of those kids went after him harder than Tweety did.

[madfloridian]

173. You know that was an excellent appearance.

I am stunned at some of the Clark folks lately. There is just no effort anymore to even be nice.

Period.

[slenderfungus]

175. Dean's Performance on Chris Matthews....

As a Clark supporter, my opinions will probably be perceived as biased, but please consider that I also had an early appreciation for Dean when he announced his intentions to run as the first Democratic candidate to assertively state his opposition to Bush's war in Iraq.

Regarding tonights Hardball appearance, I honestly didn't see Chris Matthews treat Howard Dean with any greater preference than he's treated any of the other candidates. Perhaps I'm missing something here, but Chris Matthews pretty much held Dean over the same grill he has with everyone else. He was just as assertive, aggressive and annoying as he has been across the board. I'm sure his interview next week with Wes Clark won't be much different and that's what I expect.

However, I would comment that, while Dean performed much better than he did on Meet The Press a few months ago, he also still comes across as a rather "on the surface" kind of thinker and even seemed to borrow a few positions from other candidates almost word-for-word. I recognize that alot of people latched on to Dean from the time of his early, outspoken criticism against the War, with the same enthusiasm that I shared as well, but are stubbornley holding on to a candidate that ultimately doesn't hold much more personality or positional resonance than Michael Dukakis did. I don't mean this as a slam against Dean as much as I mean it as an objectional observation of how Dean comes across as a Presidential candidate. Dean's stated positions, while coming across with a "shooting from the hip" type of populist appeal, tend to lack a practical, applicable depth.

The bottom line, to what might otherwise be an overly-long statement, is that Howard Dean has yet to show himself as a sophisticated enough thinker to as effectively process the variety of presidential demands when compared to Wes Clark. Now, I know that probably sounds like a biased slam, but this simply an honest opinion coming from someone who respects Howard Dean, but is also willing to humble that respect when someone of greater credential steps into the ring. Getting to the original point of my post, I just don't see how Chris Matthews displayed any visible preference toward Howard Dean or how Dean provided anything more than a mediocre performance, especially when he is considered to be the front running candidate against such a widely loathed Republican (p)resident.

[hey2370]

177. Honestly, my impression was just the opposite

I think Dean's rhetorical problems come from his "deep thinking" mode that seems to activate when he is asked a question about a subject that he has spent time thinking about. He seems more concerned about doing what is right than repeating CW that has been repeated ad nauseam in the media.

Like his ideas about handling Iran and North Korea. I think his responses were well thought out for someone without access to classified material. He exhibits a reasonable game plan for dealing with the world going in, unlike the Bush gang in 2001.

He was not forceful enough on how he avoided being drafted. It seems like it was completely out of his hands, it's not like his dad was on the draft board or was the military doctor who examined him for his physical. If his problem was BS, there is no reason to believe that he would not have been drafted.

But the man has intelligence and I think it shows. If anything, he thinks too deeply and that contributes to his habit of making what I'm sure he considers minor mistakes like referring to Russia as the Soviet Union.

[CWebster]

178. Yeah, that is why is always out of the box first and the pack

follows his lead.