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9215 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-09-03 11:19 PM
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Who controls Al Qaeda?
Those who control the financing generally control the org.


Saudi Princes linked to terror funds....Bali bombing: http://www.democraticunderground.com/cgi-bin/duforum/duboard.cgi?az=show_thread&om=16977&forum=DCForumID61
http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2003/03/04/1046540187386.html

Saudi princes linked to terror funds
March 5 2003
By Mark Forbes
Canberra
The Australian Federal Police is investigating allegations that European organisations helped fund the Bali bombing operations.
The revelation follows a report on the ABC's Foreign Correspondent program detailing claims that Saudi Arabian funds, funnelled through Europe, were used by the Bali bombers.
Washington-based lawyer Allan Gerson told the program he had evidence that Saudi Arabians gave money to terrorists in Europe who visited Bali.
An AFP spokeswoman confirmed that inquiries were being made. "It is possible there could have been a link between the European groups mentioned by Mr Gerson and those involved in the Bali bombings," she said.
She declined to comment on the claimed links to Saudi Arabia......
Dr Gerson, leading a bid on behalf of September 11 victims to sue Saudi Arabian banks, charities and royal family members, said it was likely the European cells funded by Saudis helped fund the Bali attack.
He could not reveal too many details because his evidence had been uncovered through judicial co-operation with European nations. He said the money from Saudi Arabia went to terrorists connected with that country.
Former FBI analyst Matt Levitt, now with the Washington Institute, told the program that one of Saudi Arabia's largest charities, Al Haramain, was set up to fund terrorism and was now a front for terrorist groups, including al-Qaeda.
Confessions of al-Qaeda members revealed that wealthy Saudis had funded Jemaah Islamiah through the Al Haramain foundation, Mr Levitt said. JI is allegedly responsible for the Bali bombings.
Many Saudi charities were directly linked to terrorist activities and several of these had strong links to the Government and the royal family, he said.
The Indonesian and Singaporean governments are expected to resist any efforts by lawyers, acting for September 11 victims, to surrender intelligence material that might assist their civil damages case. A lawyer representing families of 600 people killed in the September 11 attacks said that confidential court documents show a link between Saudi Arabian financial organisations and suspects in the Bali bombings.
The lawsuit has been filed in the US District Court and names as defendants three Saudi princes, seven banks and several international Muslim charities that allegedly gave funds to al-Qaeda.
Diplomatic sources in Washington said there was concern the lawyers may try to use the Bali link to pressure the governments of Indonesia, Singapore and Malaysia to disclose intelligence material.
- with Marian Wilkinson
US Treasury Sectretary issues Paul O'Neil issues warning about charities like Al Hamain being used for terror. Notice how he has been "marginalized by the Bushies. This also shows the link to Balkans. Need to corroborate with Michel Chossudovsky's work on Balkan terrorist orgs in file "Balkan Bribes". Also Google Halliburton muscle org. Kosovo Liberation Army (KLA) +Hamain. They are connected. http://www.fas.org/irp/news/2002/03/dot031102fact.html
....The branch offices of Al Haramain in Somalia and Bosnia are clearly linked to terrorist financing. The Somalia office of Al-Haramain is linked to Usama bin Laden's al-Qaida network and Al-Itihaad al-Islamiya (AIAI), a Somali terrorist group. Al-Haramain Somalia employed AIAI members and provided them with salaries through Al-Barakaat Bank, which was designated on November 7, 2001 under E.O. 13224 because of its activities as a principal source of funding, intelligence and money transfers for Usama bin Laden....
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ComerPerro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-09-03 11:20 PM
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1. kick
:dem:
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frank frankly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-09-03 11:20 PM
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2. well, who created them in the first place
the CIA and the BFEE. and especially any combination of the two.
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DuctapeFatwa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-09-03 11:48 PM
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3. Which Al Qaeda? The CIA confection or the new "mutated" Al Qaeda

that includes anyone who oppposes or resists the bush or sharon regimes?
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9215 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-03 02:52 AM
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5. They mutated?....?
Do we have a link for this? hee, hee. Just kidding. Creationist theory may be applicable here. :evilgrin:
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DuctapeFatwa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-03 03:20 AM
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8. There should be lots. It was a regime decree. The new mutated Al Qaeda

is more dangerous, nebulous, indistinct...
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Woodstock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-03 12:55 AM
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4. Bush is turning a blind eye to the real terrorists
Saudi Arabia and Pakistan are literally getting away with murder.

The really sad thing is they are using money the US provided, too.
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9215 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-03 03:00 AM
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7. Turning a blind eye, or actively assisting?
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9215 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-03 02:59 AM
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6. This question warrants repeating
and if I live long enough to see it answered that would be nice:

Who does contol Al Qaeda?

A tangled web: Law firm, Saudi 'agents', close Bush friends
Boston Herald
By Maggie Mulvihill, Jonathan Wells and Jack Meyers
November 20, 2001
A powerful Washington, D.C., law firm with unusually close ties to the White House has earned hefty fees representing controversial Saudi billionaires as well as a Texas-based Islamic charity fingered last week as a terrorist front.
The influential law firm of Akin, Gump, Strauss, Hauer & Feld has represented three wealthy Saudi businessmen - Khalid bin Mahfouz, Mohammed Hussein Al-Amoudi and Salah Idris - who have been scrutinized by U.S. authorities for possible involvement in financing Osama bin Laden and his terrorist network.
<snip>
Partners at Akin, Gump include one of President Bush's closest Texas friends, James C. Langdon, and George R. Salem, a Bush fund-raiser who chaired his 2000 campaign's outreach to Arab-Americans. Another longtime partner is Barnett A. "Sandy" Kress, the former Dallas School Board president who Bush appointed in January to work for the White House as an "unpaid consultant" on education reform.
<snip>
A bin Mahfouz business partner, Al-Amoudi, was also represented by Akin, Gump. When it was reported in 1999 that U.S. authorities were also investigating Al-Amoudi's Capitol Trust Bank, Akin, Gump released a statement on behalf of their client denying any connections to terrorism. One year earlier, the firm had co-sponsored an investment conference in Ethiopia with Al-Amoudi.
<snip>
Speaking of Akin, Gump partner Kress' office in the White House, Lewis (Charles Lewis, executive director of the Center for Public Integrity) added: "That's not appropriate and frankly it's potentially troublesome because there is a real possibility of a conflict of interest. Basically you have a partner for Akin, Gump . . . inside the hen house."
more: <http://www.bostonherald.com/news/americas_new_war/akin1112001.htm>

I am sending this to Congressman Meehan, who is calling for a Congressional inquiry.
Link to LBN thread: <http://www.democraticunderground.com/cgi-bin/duforum/duboard.cgi?az=show_thread&om=10807&forum=DCForumID61>

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FDRrocks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-03 03:25 AM
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9. Al Queda does not have a hierarchy....
Edited on Mon Nov-10-03 03:26 AM by FDRrocks
Or thier wouldn't be cells. One of the reasons I found it funnny when MSNBC Usama was the end all be all. You cannot fight terrosism with the military, b/c terrosiam is the tool of the oppressed, and they will find a way.

edit: And I was against Afghanistan, am against Iraq... but I would've supported a war on Saudi Arabia.... if it didnt include DU.
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9215 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-03 03:31 AM
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11. How does a heirarchical structure preclude cells?
Please explain
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FDRrocks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-03 03:36 AM
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13. aska drunk a question,,,,
No one really controls al-qaeda. Nothing precludes anybody, but many cells are not commanded, just issued a central order. There is no main figure in Al-Qaeda.
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radwriter0555 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-03 08:38 AM
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19. Are you sure al queda actually exists? I don't think they do. I think
that they're ISI, Mossad and CIA operatives.
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9215 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-03 11:08 AM
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22. I've heard this, but have seen no facts to back it up
Nothing precludes anybody, but many cells are not commanded, just issued a central order.

So you mean after they break away from the training grounds they are on their own until given a signal?

But then how are they funded? How do they live? How do they communicate with "command central"? The money that went to the hijackers in Florida flight school probably went through Suntrust Bank, located in the Bush Executive Center.



Bush Asks to Put Moussaoui Trial on Hold Feb 07/03
http://www.democraticunderground.com/cgi-bin/duforum/duboard.cgi?az=show_thread&om=13818&forum=DCForumID61

ALEXANDRIA, Va. - The Bush administration asked a judge Friday to stop all proceedings against Zacarias Moussaoui, the lone individual charged in the Sept. 11 attacks, until an appeals court settles national security questions.
A government official, who would not be identified by name, indicated a crucial question is whether Moussaoui should have the right to question, or receive statements, from Ramzi Binalshibh - a suspected al-Qaida mastermind who is in custody.

The indictment says Binalshibh has been in contact with Moussaoui. The government might consider his statements so sensitive that it would move the Moussaoui case to a secret military tribunal rather than permit Binalshibh to reveal information at a public trial.

<http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&cid=544&e=4&u=/ap/20030208/ap_on_go_pr_wh/moussaoui>
Below Binalshibh connected to Suntrust Bank!! Google: Binalshibh+Suntrust
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2001/09/21/fbi-banks.htm#more
SunTrust Banks Inc. in Florida was providing the FBI with information about the summer activity on nine checking accounts connected to people believed involved in the attacks, bank spokesman Barry Koling said.
and another
http://www.fas.org/irp/congress/2002_hr/092602mueller.html

......early July 2000, Atta and al-Shehhi traveled to Norman, Oklahoma ostensibly to evaluate the program offered through the Airman's Flight School. Although they stayed the first night at a hotel paid for by Airman, they did not enroll at the flight school. Instead, they traveled to Venice, Florida and began training at Huffman Aviation. Atta and al-Shehhi both obtained their pilot's licenses, instrument certifications, and commercial pilot certificates in the fall and winter of 2000 at Huffman Aviation.
While in Venice, they also opened a joint bank account at SunTrust Bank. Between July 18 and September 18, 2000, Ali Abdul Aziz Ali using a variety of aliases, wired approximately $109,500 into this account. All of these wires were sent from the UAE. None triggered suspicious activity reports (SARs). As I mentioned, Aziz is the same person believed to have wired funds to San Diego for Nawaf al-Hazmi......
........The Florida Flight Training Center is significant for another reason as well. On May 17, 2000, days after the last known flight lessons for al-Mihdhar and al-Hazmi, an individual identified as Ramzi Binalshibh made his first application for a U.S. visa, which was denied. Binalshibh reapplied for a U.S. visa on June 15, 2000, but again was denied. We know that Binalshibh attempted to enroll in the Florida Flight Training Center (FFTC), the facility where Ziad Jarrah was training at the time. In August of 2000, Binalshibh wired $2,200 as a deposit to this flight training center in Florida. Binalshibh tried twice more to obtain a visa to travel into the United States -- in Yemen on September 15, 2000, and again on October 25, 2000. However, these requests were also denied. Binalshibh would later become a significant money person.........
That motherfucker knows Jebbies role in this. Suntrust was an Iran-Contra money laundering bank and his housed in the Bush Executive Plaza.
Suntrust contributed approx. $160,000 to Jeb's campaign:
> >
<http://www.opensecrets.org/fl/gets/st/contrib/fl622.htm>
> > <http://www.rollins.edu/news/Construction/Fall1999Construction.htm>
> >
> > Fall 1999 SunTrust Plaza & The Bush Executive Center
> >
> > After just over a year of construction, the SunTrust Plaza is nearly
> > completed. The finishing touches-including the paint, sidewalks, and
> > signage-are now being added to Rollins' newest business venture. The 1st
> > tennant of the SunTrust Plaza, Restoration Hardware, will be ready for
> > business as of June 17th. The Gap, Coldwell Banker with the newly-acquired
> > Ann Cross Realty offices, and Merrill Lynch will follow suit in July and
> > August, respectively. "We hope to have an occupancy of about 93% by the
> > beginning of the 1999-00 school year," said Vice President and Treasurer
> > George Herbst.
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rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-03 06:43 AM
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15. How does not having a hierarchical structure preclude control?
there's Training and Financing, and some people thinking up the Big Missions.
Al Quada is a CIA "intelligence asset".
Osama/Al Quada is financed by Saudi Royalty.
Saudi Royalty is not being investigated for support of terrorism.
Saudi Royalty is friends with Bush and several of his buddies.

and you say "they work in cells so there's no control"

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9215 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-03 03:29 AM
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10. and if we determine that the Saudis control Al Qaeda
through financing then, we can, by logical extension, assume that acts committed by Al Qaeda are in accordance with Saudi policy.

To date I have heard of no other source of funding Al Qaeda other than Saudi Arabia. NOTHING! Even Saudi Prince Bandar's wife was supplying funds to Bin Laden.


Mark Steyn, "Bush and the Saudi Princess" :
https://mail.lsit.ucsb.edu/pipermail/gordon-newspost/2002-December/003897.html
Bush must have known for the best part of a year that in the run-up to 11 September Bandar's wife, Princess Haifa, had been making regular transfers from her Washington bank account to a couple of known associates of the terrorists. Bandar must have known Bush knew. Each party knows the other party knows they're engaged in a charade, but they observe the niceties, with Laura showing Princess Haifa the ranch, Bush hailing the 'eternal friendship' between the Saudi and American people, and Bandar regretting, as the Saudis always do, that they're unable to be more helpful.

"Helpful" in what? Covering it up?

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ComerPerro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-03 03:31 AM
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12. This begs the question
Why the hell is Jim Baker defending Saudi Arabia in a lawsuit filed by American familes of 9/11 victims....


You are either with us, or with the terrorists...
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9215 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-03 11:15 AM
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23. Another damn good question.
Thanks for this.

Maybe Poppy's Sect of State James Baker has a personal interest (his own involvment) in seeing this story go away. Back in the 80's he and Poppy were in business together I think it is Hollywood LPG. Then he was hauled out for the Florida election fiasco to call an end to the recount process.
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CaptainMidnight Donating Member (611 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-03 06:17 AM
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14. The Bush Cartel
does

Figure it out!

Captain Mike
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cthrumatrix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-03 07:10 AM
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16. Ask who benefits from the use of al-Qaeda .... ?
I'm surprised that al-Qaeda doesn't bomb Israel...it is a tangled web of decpeption used to promte an agenda.
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-03 07:50 AM
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17. CIA has always had Osama on its payroll..."Black Tulip" Milt Bearden
Edited on Mon Nov-10-03 07:52 AM by ElsewheresDaughter
read it......Bearden is the agent who trained Osama in our CIA for 5 years under Bush Sr. orders
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9215 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-03 11:28 AM
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24. Thanks,
How did that computer prob work out?

It is simply beyond bizarre how so many of these boogeymen are CIA trained.

Remember the Fedayeen? They were trained by WWII Nazi Otto Skorzeny in the early days of the CIA. Skorzeny also trained Arafat, Nasser and Sadat.


Google Fedayeen+Skorzeny:

http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/v03/03-275.txt
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Ani Yun Wiya Donating Member (639 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-03 07:55 AM
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18. Actually...
Al Qai'ida was in essence disbanded in 1989 and no longer exists.
And up until 1989 it was merely a paymaster's table somewhere in the mountains of Afghanistan.

* and his CIA lovin' crew had no other name to hang on his "terrorist suspects" and "enemies of freedom".
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9215 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-03 11:38 AM
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26. Welcome to DU
:toast:

I'd like a link to this if you have one.
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-03 09:55 AM
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20. and who controls the Saudi princes?
The Saudis have been active and willing funders for any number of Bush, neocon, GOP and CIA ops in the ME.


Al Qaeda are first and foremost a PR campaign to provide cover for the GOPNAC agenda.
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-03 10:18 AM
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21. Upon further consideration--Emanuel Goldstein
of course

controls al Qaeda
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9215 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-03 11:36 AM
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25. hee, hee. Nice one
Same psy-op as Orwell's E. Goldstein--the perennial enemy of the state.

Same damn dynamic!
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9215 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-03 09:55 PM
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27. kick
:kick:
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