Condoleeza Rice HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THE NSA!!!!!!

[jmowreader]

Condoleeza Rice's old job was National Security Advisor. She ran an organization called the National Security Council.

The National Security Agency is headed by a three-star general named Michael Hayden. He's not black, he's not a woman, he doesn't look like a Klingon, you could buy every shoe he owns for the price of one pair of Ferragamos, he's never even been to Spamalot, he's not a fucking idiot, he can't play the piano so far as I know, no oil tanker is named after him, from all accounts he's a decent fellow you'd like to have a beer with, and--most importantly--he never once attempted to destroy the Middle East. Totally different person from Condoleeza Rice.

Write this down: The NSA that does the spying and the NSA that Condi used to be are only related in that tax dollars pay for both of them.

[robbedvoter]

1. And that they both shill for the same BFEE?

[jmowreader]

2. NSA doesn't shill for anyone, son

Dude, we pissed off Bankruptin' Ronnie and Poppy so many times, it's a wonder the Agency survived until Clinton's inauguration. In fact, if it weren't for the fact that NSA is the drunkest sailor in the navy, and Ronnie liked that, Reagan would have transferred the Agency's functions to the CIA, the DIA or the Girl Scouts looooooong ago.

It is impossible to believe just how fucking expensive the work those guys do actually is, and the reason is very simple: the technology developed for NSA is, by and large, not usable anywhere else. If the Army spends $15 million developing a new wheeled vehicle, the Army will buy 60,000 of them, the other three services will buy another hundred thousand or so, the Park Service will get some, La Migra will buy some, and eventually Joe Freeper will buy one because his penis isn't long enough. Total build--four or five million vehicles...bringing development cost down to three bucks per chassis. If NSA spends $15 million developing a machine to spy on Osama bin Laden's new radio, they're going to wind up hanging the "hand-built prototype" in the rack and plugging headphones into it because that's the whole production run, and six months later when Osama trades in his car for one with a different radio in it, they're going to have to spend another $5 million to update the machine.

[wakeme2008]

3. That is the OLD NSA not the shill NSA of today

They KNEW they were wipetaping without a warrant and did it for Bush.

[Spinzonner]

4. Depends what you mean by "they"

Security related operations generally involve a lot of "compartmentalization" and likey a very small number of people would know about any legal issues with respect to individual targets.

[wakeme2008]

5. Well this nice General Michael Hayden would have

known and known the NSA was being used to break the law.

[Straight Shooter]

6. Has Hayden issued a response on the subject yet?

I am really interested in what this man has to say. He must feel like he's straddling a barbed-wire fence, with crocodiles on one side and cobras on the other.

[wakeme2008]

7. Does he even care,,, Tenet got a medal for supporting Bush

General Asskisser is just waiting for his medal... :grr:

[Straight Shooter]

8. I don't know if he cares or not. That's what I want to know.

The bush administration has a way of putting people in an untenable position. Assume for a moment he is a man of dutiful conscience. If he stays, he violates his sense of ethics. If he leaves, he knows someone worse will replace him.

What would you do in his shoes?

I'm taking a wait and see attitude on this one. If the NSA is comprised of honorable people, there will be more information forthcoming that's damaging to bush, and hopefully it will include the names of some of bush's political enemies that he wiretapped without a warrant.

[robbedvoter]

11. It would be nice to think that there are parts of government not yet

de-professionalized. Last one I knew of was CIA - then Porter Goss happened to them. Anyway, it's only a matter of time till you get fixed too.

[peacetalksforall]

9. NSAgency NSAdvisor NSCouncil ?????

National Security Advisor?

From a bio on the net - paraphrased:
From 1989 through March 1991 -National Security Council, and a Special Assistant to the President for National Security Affairs.

How the heck is it all organized?

There is a:

. National Security Agency
. National Security Council
. National Security Advisor
. National Security Study Group
. National Security Project and a
. National Security Affairs

Wasn't she described as being in charge of the NSA? She has a stand-alone position? The Advisor is described as a scooper-upper. Kissinger was an Advisor.

I thought she worked for the NSAgency during Iran-Contra and that she was in charge of the NSA under George, Jr. Did she report to Abrams on the NSC while being a war monger during Iran-Contra?

Does the NSCouncil conduct the war after and while the NSA does the spying?

Not sure of anything? I'm reminded of the dis-reality we were promised.

[peacetalksforall]

10. Found a tidbit while researching Rice - one person's profiles of Israel

spokespeople in our leadership and some astrology from 2003 just before the invasion of Iraq.

The list is interesting because of the specificity of the compilation. Does anyone see errors? In looking at the home page and a few other pages, I don't see bigotry. Anyone know about this site?

http://www.esotericastrologer.org
Home page.

http://www.esotericastrologer.org/EA%20Essays/EAessaysPGL16.html
List-profiles with emphasis on showing the Israel connections in our leadership.
After EAessays, enter PGL16.htm

http://www.esotericastrologer.org/EA%20Essays/EAessaysPGL17.htm
Astrology (after EAessays, finish iwht PGL17.htm

The info is from 2003, but it gets a high positioning in Google entering Condaleeza NSA Iran-COntra.

[jmowreader]

12. While we're talking Hayden...

I gotta put down what I think went through Hayden's mind when Bush tasked him to spy on Americans: "the anthrax terrorist is still at large, and he seems to hit only those people who piss George W. Bush off. And there's also the Office of Special Plans; nothing says they can't get into the SIGINT business, which would enable Bush to shut my operation down in a heartbeat." Trust me: if you received a message from the White House and it said "do this," you'd know the words "or else" may as well have been on there.

I really expect some nice civilian newspaper to get an envelope in their FedEx packages one of these days. In it will be all 30 of the taskings Bush sent down.