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global1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-23-05 12:41 AM
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Just Finished Watching "3 Days of Condor" on Cable TV.....
filmed in 1975 it still is apropos today. Turned out to be about 'oil'. Redford thought he outsmarted the CIA by giving his story to the NYT. Cliff Robertson (Higgins in the movie - a high placed CIA operative) said what if they don't print it.

If you haven't seen this movie - it is highly recommended.
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Wetzelbill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-23-05 12:44 AM
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1. that is one cool movie
I watched it last spring. Oh when he gave the story to the NY Times and the CIA guy started talking about not printing it, I about fainted! My younger brother and I just looked at each other like: " that sounds effing familiar, huh?", lol. It's a cool film for sure.
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Slit Skirt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-23-05 12:45 AM
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3. I saw it when it first came out
then last summer made my teenagers watch it...so relevant in today's world.......
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Protagoras Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-23-05 12:44 AM
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2. Yep watch it and Network in the same night
and you won't sleep.

Next night watch the Paralax View...go watch Z for good measure.

Then you're ready to read David Brock's book, The Republican Noise Machine...the history of all of this is overwhelming in it's scope and goes back to the Goldwater era...these people...well that's for another thread.

You are right though...it's on the Must Watch movies list for those who want to know why we should be afraid.
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Wetzelbill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-23-05 01:15 AM
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8. Network gave me chills when I first watched it
nearly two years ago. It's a jaw dropper.
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greenman3610 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-23-05 01:30 AM
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11. I heard Network is being remade
any truth?
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Protagoras Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-23-05 01:32 AM
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12. Haven't heard but I hope they don't do to it
what they did to the Manchurian Candidate.
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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-23-05 12:47 AM
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4. I saw Salvador last night
Stayed up till 3 a.m. when it was over. Both movies are :scared:
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Wetzelbill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-23-05 01:14 AM
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7. another great film
I love that movie. Salvador is so poignant and funny. It can scare the holy hell out of you though. For sure.
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jon strad Donating Member (36 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-23-05 01:00 AM
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5. I'll check it out. Sounds good.
Another good one is "The Battle of Algiers." I just watched it last night for the first time and it blew me away. The parallels to what's going on in Iraq are just too large to ignore and should be required viewing for everybody in America. The protest scenes are insane, it looks so real and spontaneous. I really recommend it.
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Wetzelbill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-23-05 01:12 AM
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6. if you get a chance check out the special edition dvd
for "The Battle Of Algiers." They do a terrorism discussion with Richard Clarke among others. It's awesome. All the extra features are great.
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jon strad Donating Member (36 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-23-05 01:15 AM
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9. Yeah, that's the dvd I watched.
It's a stacked DVD by Criterion and I'm slowly but surely digging my way through all the features. I've yet to see the Clarke discussion but I'm looking forward to it!
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Wetzelbill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-23-05 01:16 AM
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10. then you are right where you need to be
it took me a little bit to get through the features, they are awesome though.
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davekriss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-23-05 02:21 AM
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13. Excellent, excellent film...
...I also highly recommend it. And it is frighteningly relevant today.

The Bush Regime and the Rovian Wurlizer reminded me too of the end of this very prescient movie, Three Days of the Condor. Robert Redford plays the smart, innocent CIA reader (Higgins) who stumbles upon an internal conspiracy within the CIA to destablize the Mideast. Robert Culp plays the establishmentarian CIA (Higgins). In this final scene of the movie Higgins seeks to bring Turner in, most probably to kill him, so that things can proceed as planned. Turner (like a movie Siebel Edmonds) plays his only card as they stand in front of the NY Times building. The dialogue proceeds as follows:

    Higgins: Do we have plans to invade the Middle East?

    Turner: Are you crazy?

    Higgins: Am l? ...Look, Turner -- Do we have plans?

    Turner: No. Absolutely not. We have games. That's all. We play games-- What if? How many men? What would it take? Is there a cheaper way to destabilize a regime? That's what we're paid to do.

    Higgins: So Atwood just took the games too seriously. He was really going to do it, wasn't he? A renegade operation.

    Turner: Atwood knew the Company would never authorize it, not with the heat on the company.

    Higgins: What if there hadn't been any heat? Suppose I hadn't stumbled on their plan?

    Turner: Different ballgame. Fact is, there was nothing wrong with the plan. The plan was all right. The plan would've worked.

    Higgins: Boy, what is it with you people? You think not getting caught in a lie is the same thing as telling the truth?

    Turner: No. It's simple economics. Today it's oil, right? In 5 or 10 years -- food, plutonium, and maybe even sooner. What do you think the people are going to want us to do then?

    Higgins: Ask them.

    Turner: Not now. Then. Ask them when they're running out. Ask them when there's no heat and they're cold. Ask them when their engines stop. Ask them when people who have never known hunger start going hungry. Want to know something? They won't want us to ask them. They'll want us to get it for them.

    Turner: Boy, have you found a home. There were seven people killed, Higgins.

    Higgins: - The company didn't order it. Atwood did.

    Turner: Atwood did. And who the hell is Atwood? He's you. He's all you guys. Seven people killed, and you play fucking games!

    Higgins: Right. And the other side does, too. That's why we can't let you stay outside.

    Turner: Well, go on home, Higgins. Go on. They've got it.

    Higgins: - What?

    Turner: - You know where we are. Just look around. They've got it. That's where they ship from. (looks around at the NY Times building) They've got all of it.

    Higgins: What? What did you do?

    Turner: I told them a story. You play games, I told them a story.

    Higgins: Oh, you -- You poor, dumb son of a bitch. You've done more damage than you know.

    Turner: I hope so.

    Higgins: You're about to be a very lonely man. It didn't have to end this way.

    Turner: Of course it did.

    Higgins: Hey, Turner. How do you know they'll print it? ... You can take a walk, but how far if they don't print it?

    Turner: They'll print it.

    Higgins: How do you know?

    (camera zooms out and both Higgins and Turner are lost in busy NYC sidewalk crowds ... we hear Christmas carols from speakers at retail outlets along the street ...)

    Remember Christ, our Savior
    Was born on Christmas day
    To save us all
    from satan's power
    When we're gone astray

Higgins speaks to the "willful ignorance" of the general population in that, when resources dwindle, they do not want to hear how its government solves their problems. As Higgins says, "Not now. Then. Ask them when they're running out. ... Want to know something? They won't want us to ask them. They'll want us to get it for them."

The principle of "just take it for them", "what the people will want then", does found USG foreign policy since WWII. Take a look at this quote from one of the founding fathers of post-WWII policy:
    The US has about 50% of the world’s wealth but only 6.3% of its population. In this situation we cannot fail to be the object of envy and resentment. Our real task in the coming period is to devise a pattern of relationships which will permit us to maintain this position of disparity without positive detriment to our national security. To do so, we will have to dispense with all sentimentality and day-dreaming, and our attention will have to be concentrated everywhere on our immediate national objectives.

    We need not deceive ourselves that we can afford the luxury of altruism and world benefaction. We should cease talks about such vague and unreal objectives as human rights and raising of living standards and democratization. The day is not far off when we are going to have to deal in straight power concepts. The less we are then hampered by idealistic slogans, the better.”
    --George Kennan, PPS 23, 1948


The "they" who will want the "Company" to just "get it for them": If George Bush in 2002 told them that we will invade Iraq in order to build impregnable military garrisons from which we could radiate future imperial power -- and thereby guarantee future flows of oil -- and if Bush said we're invading Iraq to crush the alternate example set by Hussein's pricing of oil in Euros, thereby securing the continued hegemony of the dollar (which allows us to overconsume and overborrow), this "they" would approve (not us, I mean the vast sleepy middle). That Bush ineptly took a different propoganda course causes some discongruent pain now, and puts the entire Bush agenda at risk (proving the extreme incompetence of this administration).

I think there is a great middle majority of the US population that does not care how the USG solves their problems for them, as long as they stay employed, can buy X-Boxes for their children and plasma TV's for themselves, own two or three cars and take vacations, build a McMansion here and there, and put a little away for retirement. This gutless class of hypocrits are all around us.

It's why so many could tolerate the U.S. sponsored atrocities in Central America in the eighties and early nineties. Iran-Contra. The presence of the SOA on American soil. It's why they sit back comfortably when Bush stole the 2000 election. It's why they tolerate the lies that "justified" Iraq -- they want their USG to just "get it for them", no questions asked. And they tell themselves stories about the good intentions of our leadership when on occassion they can't sleep at night.

Meanwhile an even more selfish and rapacious upper class takes advantage of the "willful ignorance" of a fat and sedate middle when furthering their own agenda.

It's the Wiemar middle after the Riechstag fire, just before Kristallnact, just before the Holocaust, just before the second world war erupted...all over again.
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