Let's coin a term. The opposite of TIN FOIL HAT.

[iconoclastNYC]

People who immediately reject that a conspiracy can ever explain something.

What could we call these people.

I'm thinking of something along the lines of .... putting your head in the sand.....something to do with sand...or something...anyone have any ideas?

[Ezlivin]

1. Tin Foil Head?

Keeps the cooked brains from falling out.

[elehhhhna]

44. Lead Head. Impervious to, well, anything.

[OregonBlue]

59. Lead Head. Perfect!!

[jsamuel]

63. hehe, that does sound good

[OregonBlue]

67. I love it! Combine it with Sheeple and you've got retorts that

roll right off the tongue! SHEEPLE, LEAD HEADS who are more worried about "terrorists" then stand up for their own civil rights. When did the Sheeple of this country get to be such cowards?

[leftchick]

66. LEAD HEAD

:rofl: perfect!

[WestHoustonDem]

2. To borrow a word from Dubya

"Rejectionists"

[EST]

3. Already been done.

"Media whore" as in paid, credulous prostitute.

[JAbuchan08]

4. or a "good german"

[deadmessengers]

5. Naah, too Godwin n/t

[rpgamerd00d]

6. Rose-colored Glasses wearer

[TheBaldyMan]

7. mentally well balanced?

Was it Gore Vidal who once said: 'The rich and powerful don't need to conspire because they all tend to think along the same lines any way'
Conspiracies are the lazy way out, the real story is usually much less exciting and far more tragic.

[Missy M]

23. A definition of conspiracy...

"an agreement to perform together an illegal, wrongful or subversive act". If you think this never occurs than the ones committing the conspiracies have nothing to worry about. I think Vidal said that tongue in cheek.

[iconoclastNYC]

29. Gore Vidal thinks the Election of 2004 was stolen. N/T

[TheBaldyMan]

37. it was ...

Unless you believe that all the electronic voting machines faithfully recorded the wishes of the american people. So faithfully that no tiresome paper trail actually recording the votes cast was needed.
Diebold would be in the rich and powerful fold ( IMHO ). By helping themselves they help those like them and are in turn helped by those like themselves. No conspiracy needed, just naked greed and lust for power.

[iconoclastNYC]

39. I don't disagree.

But I just wanted to point out to the poster i was replying to Vidal could be called a 'tin foil' hatter....since he posted that quote from Vidal

[TheBaldyMan]

47. maybe a case of crossed wires on my account

That poster would be me. It strikes me that most of the posts aren't defending the truly dreadful things that have happened, its just that I have difficulty accepting all the small bits of information as proof for a conspiracy, however damning they may appear.
You might as well convince me that GW Bush is an intelligent and accomplished man who laughs at our portrayals of him as a puppet of shadowy background figures ( believe it or not s/o did try and convince me of this a few months back ).
Regretfully I remain unconvinced that things like 9/11 came about as a result of a conspiracy. Criminal incompetence? yes. Laziness? yes. Putting the interested of your paymasters and cronies before the populace? yes. Conspiracy - no.
I am very sorry that we differ on this particular issue but perhaps we could amicably agree to disagree?

[rman]

53. oh come on

You don't steal an election merely by "putting the interested of your paymasters and cronies before the populace"; stealing an election takes planning, collaboration - that's conspiracy to violate the election code. They don't have that sort of things in the law books because they just don't happen,

[TheBaldyMan]

68. OK you got me on electoral fraud ;)

I can only stand up and publically acknowledge my Sheeple/Conservitard/lead-bonnet -ness

[Sparkman]

73. Stoogheads

[Canuckistanian]

8. Funnelhead

They just take it all in, straight from the official press release.

[DS1]

24. I was thinking FunnelSucker

[Canuckistanian]

36. Mine's better

Nyeah! Nyeah!
:woohoo:

[elehhhhna]

42. I like Suckbucket

[BuyingThyme]

9. Orwellicentrics.

[Missy M]

10. Sucker Head! as in there's a sucker born every minute.

[Deep13]

11. saran wrap hat

[dweller]

12. sand-castle-cranium

:shrug:

sand-castle-consciousness?

dp

[proud2BlibKansan]

13. ..

[electron_blue]

14. Lemmings - they never believe all that talk about "cliffs"

[havocmom]

15. All hat, no frontal lobe

[Dora]

16. Cottonears

"la la la la la la la la i can't hear youuuuuu la la la la la"

or so they say.

[Walt Starr]

17. There already is such a term

The opposite of a tinfoilhatter is a Kool-Aid drinker.

[chimpymustgo]

22. Sand hat? Ass hat with head in sand...

nt

[Stanchetalarooni]

18. Sheeple.

Sheep.

[Greyhound]

28. I'll go along with that. Power to the SHEEPLE!

I've never understood the steadfast refusal by many folks to accept that there are, and have been many conspiracies executed throughout history. Even after the fact, when the conspiracy comes to light they still won't acknowledge the fact.
Pathetic. :banghead:

[tledford]

19. How about Candylanders? n/t

[Tactical Progressive]

60. I like that one.

It's got a nice sing-song sound to it, like the way they insist on viewing the world.

[bananas]

20. Ostrich n/t

[Don Claybrook]

21. Conservative?

Opposed to change, opposed to having their worldview rocked, seeking their comfort zone, etc.

[TheBaldyMan]

38. Conservitard ? n/t

[Jed Dilligan]

25. Breadheads.

For the "bready" substance separating their consciousness from reality. I imagine in most cases it is money; they are invested in the system somehow.

[DistressedAmerican]

26. Undeceived

[iconoclastNYC]

33. What?

[Nimrod2005]

27. Not sand, how about a rock? Rocks in your head?

[democraticinsurgent]

30. Wooden Head nt

[Norquist Nemesis]

31. Dumbo Blinders n/t

[Name removed]

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[goclark]

34. UpandDowner's

They can only think straight up and down.

My cousin and my ex both are Republicans and I am constantly amazed at the way their brains are wired.

They make instant decisions based on what they believe to be right. They NEVER change their minds on political issues.

They MUST tell you how to think, constantly.

Will NOT listen to a creative point of view.

I believe I read a study once about straight up and down thinkers.

What surprises me is that some people who call themselves Progressives are truly not so ~ they don't want to question anything!


I'm glad I'm on the other point of view. It makes me happy to listen to others,learn from others and realize that the RIGID THINKERS are never going to believe that GW stole the elections, never.

[Silverhair]

35. Realist.

As opposed to people who automatically reach for a conspiracy explanation for everything.

[FlaGranny]

48. Well, from another silver-haired one, I must say

that very little is ever accomplished on this earth without collaboration and if the result of the collaboration is unlawful then, by definition, that is a conspiracy, and there are more than a few of those. Conspiracies need not be large and, indeed, I agree that everything is not a conspiracy.

Our government certainly engaged in a conspiracy, and a relatively massive one, to invade Iraq.

[Silverhair]

58. True. But many of the conspiracy theories are nutty.

Some them even require that the laws of physics be changed for the conspiracy to be possible. And some people who post here see everything as part of a master conspiracy.

[FlaGranny]

79. Also true, but it is not wise to

totally discount a conspiracy theory that is based on logical conclusions. We have both kinds of conspiracy theorists here (logical and illogical), and I'll bet ya that most come from the "logical" category. I know I count myself in the number of people who get suspicious when there are too, too many convenient "coincidences." It's just got to make you wonder. If it doesn't, you're not using your noggin. :-)

Edit: To add 2 more words so's I'd make more sense.

[iconoclastNYC]

84. Which ones are you talking about?

The lone gunman theory? :)

[Silverhair]

Here are a few:

No plane hit the Pentagon, it was a missile.
No plane hit the towers, they were missiles with holograms projected around them.
Hurricane Katrina was created and steered to New Orleans by the BFEE.
Hurrican Rita was created and steered by the BFEE.
The levees in NOLA were bombed. (There is a video from a power station showing the water overtopping the levee. No explosions.)
Chemtrails.
HAARP conspiracy theories.
Earthquakes in the Middle East are caused by bombing.
Earthquakes miles under the sea, that caused the tsunamis, were triggered by secret American A-bombs.
Several "The FBI is following me" threads. (They don't have the manpower to chase people who have only posted to a political chat forum. There are over 80,000 DUers. They don't have that many agents.)
There are actually far more service people killed in Iraq that the public number, but the Pentagon lies about the actual number. (The count is not kept by the military but by an anti-war organization.)

I could go on, but you get the idea.

[...of J.Temperance]

101. The only one you left out there is

That Poppy was somehow involved in the JFK assassination. This is one that I've always found pretty silly. However there are people who believe this sort of thing, and that of course is very scary.

By the way Mr. Silverhair, the list of conspiracy theories you've got there, I don't believe any of them either...and this sort of stuff doesn't help our party.

[CJCRANE]

74. Conspiracies are real.

A conspiracy is a secret plan. Warrantless eavesdropping was a conspiracy (it's not secret so not a conspiracy any more). Secret torture and kidnapping are conspiracies.

[Silverhair]

93. But not EVERYTHING is a conspiracy.

Some posters, because some conspiracies do exist, automatically reach for conspiracy explanations for EVERYTHING. Those are what I call "tin foil hatters."

[goclark]

102. What meets you definition of conspiracy?

JFK -NO

WTC - NO

Bush Reading Goat Book to a class full of children because he cared about the Reading Scores of the children --- NO

What would qualify?

[SoCalDem]

40. Lead Bonnets

Lead blocks all conflicting thoughts from entering cranium


comes complete with a chin-strap to hold it on.. (chins sold separately)

[Donald Ian Rankin]

41. Whatever term you come up with, put me down as one.

I believe that the most probably explanation for any event is the most probable one.

I believe that most mainstream media agencies attempt to discover and distribute the truth as best as they can - often slanting to fit their agenda, but seldom (although not absolutely never) telling anything they believe to be a lie. I don't trust them absolutely (they can make mistakes, they occasionally do lie, and they're less occasionally lied to) but I trust them a hell of a lot more than I trust tinfoil hatters.

I believe that any theory which relies on a ubiquitous, all-powerful "them" with a single will misleading or deceiving "us" is almost certain to be wrong. Every "them" you can describe with sufficient power to do so turns out, when you examine it, to consist of a great many different people with different interests who are almost certainly competing, not cooperating, and certainly aren't coordinating against "us".

The exception to this is conspiracies theories about the government and military/intelligence agencies doing things covertly - there you *do* have a single coherent interest group, and the media doesn't know about it. However, such activities usually not about American politics, judging by the list of ones that have come to light.

Conspiracy theories about prisoners being tortured turn out to be true more often than not; conspiracy theories about plots national to influence American presidential elections have turned out to be true once, and I'm not holding my breath for a second time.

[TankLV]

92. There is so much wrong in your assumptions about the media

as opposed to the PROVEN track record they have developed of continually LYING and just REGURGITATING repuke propaganda, that it would be a waste of everyone's time to list even a few of them here, since anybody with half a brain would know the list.

I suggest that you do a little self discovery on this subject and learn a little.

[Donald Ian Rankin]

99. "Conservative" or "Tory", not "Repuke".

I live in the UK, not the US. Most of the newspapers here have a right-wing bias, but they're completely open about it. The broadsheets tend to be fairly reliable on factual matters; the tabloids are distinctly dodgy but don't pretend not to be. The BBC news is somewhat leftwards biased, from the little I've seen of it, and also pretty reliable.


It may be the case that the US media is signifcantly less reliable than in the UK - I don't have much exposure to it. However, if it were I'd expect there to be much less complaint about media unreliability here than there, and while there is less I don't think there's all that much less, which makes me suspect that things probably aren't all that much worse there than here.

[elehhhhna]

43. "Willifully ignorant mutherfucker"

[Cults4Bush]

51. WIMs !! Brilliant Elehhhhna.

Just another fuckin' WIM beleiving what they're told.

[earth mom]

57. Now that's funny!

:rofl:

[rpgamerd00d]

45. Again, its called a "Rose-colored Glasses wearer". You have to wear it.

"Ooo, someone is wearing a tin-foil hat!"
"Dang, where is my tin-foil hat when I need it!"
etc.

"Ooo, someone is wearing rose-colored glasses!"
"Dang, where are my rose-colored glasses when I need them!"
etc.

[Tactical Progressive]

83. Or just 'rosies' for short. n/t

[oasis]

46. Asstrich. An ostrich has head in sand; an asstrich has head up ass.

:bounce:

[iconoclastNYC]

85. Thats good.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

49. Please Read Below. My Term Is FRONTALS

It might not be catchy and maybe ineffective from a marketing perspective since the term on its face doesn't really readily state the definition, but here goes:

I have always called the FRONTALS. Even outside of political terms. I call them frontals because if you are a fellow deep thinker, you are aware of the two voices in your head. The one in the front of your head, that acts on impulse, and the one in the middle-back of your head that is in control of deep thought.

Any conspiracy theory would require mental debate and thought to accept, and would therefore require the back voice. Those that reject them without thought are doing so out of impulse. They are Frontals.

The front voice is the one you use most often. e.g. "that vcr is silver". "that car is red" "this food tastes good" etc... That is the same thought voice used when the reply is "nah, that's ridiculous" when no thought was actually put into the suggestion.

Hope you stayed with me there.. They are FRONTALS.. :)

[Speed8098]

50. The opposite of a tin foil hat is...........................

Cellophane Diaper :applause:

:headbang:

Think about it. Which would you rather wear?

[lonestarnot]

55. funny!

:rofl:

[Bozita]

72. I was thinking of a Kool-Aid soaked thong

[Tactical Progressive]

52. See no evil, hear no evil,

censure anyone who speaks about evil.

"monkeyhanders"

As in, 'today's latest corruption revelations have brought out the monkeyhands'.

[earth mom]

54. Gotta say I'm lovin this thread!

:)

How about:

Paper Baggers-as in wearing brown paper bags over their heads.

IMO, it suits their one dimensional view of the world.

[lonestarnot]

56. Blow Heads

[AntiFascist]

61. Fuck-head

pardon my emotional response.

[LiberalPersona]

62. Bobbleheads n/t

[Tactical Progressive]

64. True believers

Except I don't like the word 'true' associated with people who believe whatever they are told because it makes them comfortable.

Need a word that rhymes with true.

How about 'moo believers'?

Or maybe just 'cattle'.

[lectrobyte]

65. Skeptinistas

[Gregorian]

69. Drones? Followers?

Damn you! I didn't want to get started on these. :)

[Gregorian]

70. Zombies.

[Gregorian]

71. Braindead.

[Sparkman]

75. Renumblicans

[TrogL]

76. Asshat

Somebody with their head up their ass so far they're wearing it for a hat.

[Sparkman]

77. dubyaheads

[Sparkman]

78. Gdubya Wackos

[Sparkman]

80. Bush Skulls

[Kickin_Donkey]

81. How about something along the lines of ...

... knee-jerk skeptics

... mindless skeptics

... blind skeptics

... faux skeptics

[Rex]

82. Gullible Idiot Hat.

nt

[Dr Fate]

86. I call them "Coincidence Theorists" n/t

n/t

[bemildred]

87. Sheep. Lemmings. Useful idiots. nt

[proud2BlibKansan]

88. Here's a picture we can use

[Kansas Wyatt]

89. MUSHROOMS

Fed shit & kept in the dark.

[katamaran]

90. Tinfoil Diaper? They're full of sh*t?

[TankLV]

91. Sand wasps.

Sand wasps really exist.

They build their nests in the sand. Scientists actually studied them for awhile.

Seems, when they go to seek out food, they will always bring back the food to the brink of the hole in the sand, go into the hole to check out for forrumps. What are forrumps, don't know, we've never seen them and neither have the wasps. But they always do this. It's in their "programming".

One of the scientists decided to move the food about an inch away from the edge of the hole. When the wasp would come back out of the hole to look for the food he caught, he'd discover it was moved, move it back, and go back down in the hole to look for the forumps again. Scientist would again move the food, wasp come back out, sees food, moves food, etc.,etc.

This would happen until the sand wasp dies from starvation - always with food just a fraction of an inch away.

I'd say a sand wasp describes these people to a "T".

[Codeine]

94. Smart. n/t

[blue northern]

95. coincidence theorists n/t

[Clara T]

96. Mental Co-incidentals

Just another series of perfectly arranged situations with the same people of power profiting off our ignorance of how the world works.

[Guaranteed]

97. Sometimes-Right people. nt

[true_notes]

98. How about

Shitheads.

It's simple, yet effective ;).

[HamdenRice]

100. OCTA = Official Conspiracy Theory Apologists ...

That is, people who defend the official conspiracy theory that a guy in a cave in the most primitive country on the planet directed 19 magic muslims with box cutters to hijack planes and evade the $1 trillion plus air defenses of the US, causing fires that brought down three steel frame buildings for the first and last time in the history of engineering.

The reason the OCTA concept is important is that people who don't believe in alternative conspiracy theorists are not the opposite of conspiracy theorists; they also believe in conspiracy theories --but the Official Conspiracy Theory, which is often more absurd than any alternative theories.