Don't forget CONGRESS CORRUPTIION too!

[SushiFan]

Congress is a CORRUPT body, even more so than the WH inbreds.

If these officials have a lick of power at all, it's mostly paid for and bought before they're even sworn into office. Dem, Reep, brand don't matter. By Pharma, lobbyist Jack Abramoff and pals, big oil, Wall Street, etc.

America no longer a nation rules itself. It is governed by elites of big business and greedy criminals (eg Duke Cunningham) who want their pockets to keep growing and growing and growing, etc., etc., etc.

Repunks can't see this because they finally have had some real power after 40 yrs. out in the cold. So, they blindly follow King George like a bunch of stupid cattle, never realizing they vote against their very own interests election after election.

That's why I term most Republican'ts "STUPID" cuz they are! Many Dems are dummies too. All America needs to get outta the comfy recliner and go back to the centers of power to recapture the glorious democracy we've surrendered because of complacency in allowing liars and thieves to hold offices which really belong to the people and NOT to the liars and thieves who are in the offices

[tecelote]

1. American Regime Change

In 2006, vote in the most honest and least experienced politician.

[Lerkfish]

2. um...ok.

:shrug:
combine this with your other post saying we need the "reeps" to win, I'm confused as to your overall agenda.

[tecelote]

3. Huh?

If you are referring to my defending Hillary, that is only because she is probably the best choice of those in office that will get through the primaries.

I do think that the corruption is a rampant cancer and we would be better off replacing them all. There are many things I wish Hillary would do that she hasn't. Things I think even she believes in but doesn't take a stand on. She is a political player and she is playing the game just like the rest of them.

However, when the choice I would like does not exist, when I must choose the better of two evils, I'll vote for Hillary. The Clintons have proven to be much better than the Bushes.

[Lerkfish]

4. note the hierarchy of the thread: I'm speaking the originating poster.

[tecelote]

5. Ooops.

My apologies.

[Lerkfish]

7. no problemo. happens all the time.

[SushiFan]

9. Not at all tecolate

I LOVE Hillary myself! She has my vote all day. Never heard of you nor your defense of her until right now.

But you got my drift --- MANY in DC need to go home, now, starting at the WH. Their money and power over us have made it imposs. for Dems to changes things alone, by ourselves. We need help, even if it has to come from Reeps too.

[SushiFan]

6. Don't be confused!!

The REAL point I'm making:

If Dems were strong enough to throw out the Crawford King, we'd have done it already.

Shallowness in sniping with other americans, no matter their politics, plays right into the Bushies' hands. We fight with each other. The King gets away with murder.

It's ingenious --- PURE Rove. We gotta smarten up and band together with ALL who can help us now. We can't do it alone (impeachment / resignation) but as the sheer power of 280 million, the rats WILL scurry back to thier crawford holes and we'll ALL be better off in the long run. After that, we can resume partisanship if we really want to hate Reeps and greens and x-tians and who knows who else. But most imp. is I think partisanship has brung us to its own dance. We gotta break free and be Americans first, Dems later.

[Lerkfish]

8. um...nope..still not tracking.

you're not so subtle in your criticism of dems, and painting of "reeps" as necessary evils, and the desire to "put away partisanship" until later.

doesn't make a lot of sense to me. :shrug:

[SushiFan]

10. Not out to insult beliefs here,

Just wanna get some passion and change going sooner or later to lose a Loser In Chief. A fractured army of Dems and Reeps wins at nothing. In #s there is strength. A united America against a hated King.

Step out of the box a bit (+ have some Happy Holidays too, k?).

[tecelote]

11. It does to me.

If you leave cyberspace and enter the real world, it is purple. You can't see red and blue as clearly as you can online.

[Lerkfish]

12. on the contrary, this administration has drawn a severe and sharp dividing

line. There is no compromise or cooperation with evil. They themselves say "with us or against us".
They drew the line in the sand, not us.

There is no there, there.

[tecelote]

13. If you are listening.

At least half of America isn't. They will vote their conscience even if they are not well informed. Party does not really matter to this half of America.

The problem is that the information they get needs to be truthful and it is neither party's fault - that our news is now big business and can no longer be unbiased or trusted.


More than smart party lines and sound bites, we need to get the message to these people that we are in a moral, ethical and spiritual crisis in this country. We, the people are not evil, even if our government now is. If they get the message, they will act.

They're good people. They are my people.

[SushiFan]

20. I'm right there witcha Tecelote.

Getting the msg out is paramount. Whether its impeach, get along w Reeps, no matter what, I'm for trying EVERY poss. to get these cancerous leaches out of DC.

Dems NEED to get worked up abt. this while the GOPrik pRez is vulnerable now. We gotta get some passion going here, start a ball rolling. Else, nothin's gonna change. :(

[insane_cratic_gal]

14. So what your basically saying

if I can decipher this, Dems are just as evil as reeps(it's reps btw and repthuglican, repukes etc.) The center of Power is what exactly? If the leadership is as corrupt as you state, there is no center.

WE have not surrendered in complacency, perhaps freepers have, but we not. WE have been vigilant in trying to point out to the masses this administration's corruption to a crowd of people who refuse to hear it, and refuse to believe it.

[tecelote]

15. Then take the President to task for an illegal act.

What I see from Democrats and Republicans is pussyfooting around a serious breach of our Constitutional law.

Show me someone who is upholding our rights and holding the President accountable.

Why isn't Harry demanding more? I thank him for pushing the "Culture of Corruption" and I like Conyers a lot. But they are few and I don't see anyone that is really out there for the people.

Have you read about Katrina and how our people were treated?

[insane_cratic_gal]

16. Feingold, Boxer,

Reid, Howard Dean, what have you done to demand his impeachment? Who have you written to? Emailed? Picketed? If they won't lead then you must. If they won't listen then you must see that you are heard. Call, write.. demand answers, Miss Parks certainly didn't bitch she just refused to move until they would hear her.

[tecelote]

17. You're right. And basically we are on the same side.

However, I am doing what I can. Proof is right here. More than most citizens.

But... I'm watching our country deteriorate and our elected officials are not doing enough. They may be good people but they are barely able to tread water.

I do not want to become a politician.

Sorry, I support them and you, but I am also looking for more.

Are we at the point that ordinary citizens need to stand up and be counted? You bet. The problem you are going to see if this really ahppens is that it will be a purple hoard of uninformed citizens fed by a biased profit driven media.

You don't really want that. You and your great Democrats need to do more for us or we just might cover you with more purple crap than you can handle.

[Lerkfish]

18. "You and your great Democrats" ?

"we just might cover you with more purple crap than you can handle."

interesting.

are you NOT a democrat?

[tecelote]

19. I'm an independent simply because...

I believe that government should be about the people and support the people but I also believe in supporting business and a small government that stays out of people's lives. I believe in Welfare but also believe in supporting business, especially businesses that treat their employees fairly.

You see, it confuses me. I find myself agreeing, in principal, with all sides at times and disagreeing with all sides at other times.

I don't know who said it but I always like this quote: "It's usually not the system that's bad, it's the people running it".

A strong business environment is necessary but all people and the environment need to be the benefactors.

I'm anti-war but pro-military.

I believe in a government that is as fiscally responsible as it expects it's citizens to be.

In fact, I'm not even purple. Throw some green in the mix and I'm mud brown.

Most of my friends consider me Liberal. I like that.

[SushiFan]

26. Good American, tecelote!

<tecelote sez:
You see, it confuses me. I find myself agreeing, in principal, with all sides at times and disagreeing with all sides at other times.>

But fact is, you're a person with a real voice and a real vote. So are we. Let's all make this happen.

[SushiFan]

25. US media ARE NOT our friends. They're actually hindrance n/t

[SushiFan]

24. yes ic gal,

write, phone, email, visit. Talk it up at xmas parties. Ask others to do the same. Main thrust to get rid of the sons of b's. ASAP!

[SushiFan]

22. Most Dem pols ARE ethical. We need more similar pols to help n/t

[SushiFan]

21. Paranoia runs deep.

All I'm saying is we're not passionate enough. 2000 and 2004 were huge life-altering elections.

Our movement to oust the filthy scum needs to be stronger than it already is to match the intensity of what got him in then to get him out now.

I'm on OUR side, everybody!

[insane_cratic_gal]

23. If you've been paying attention

2000 and 2004 .. were stolen.


Read the latest GOA report on the 2004 election fraud?

http://www.gao.gov/htext/d05956.html

[tecelote]

27. Which is why so many people will not care to vote.

Doesn't count anyway.

Make our vote count and make election day a national paid holiday so everyone can afford to vote. That would be a real Denocratic thing for all Parties to support.

But, Nah! A Democracy is too much work. Having a King make the decisions is so much easier.

[insane_cratic_gal]

29. Well then your not paying attention

the Democratic party is pushing for election day to become a national holiday.

They are pushing for accountability and transparency in our election process. They are pushing for a independent counsel investigating Katrina.

You want to point fingers, but your pointing them in the wrong direction. Who do you think controls Congress? Who do you think controls the Senate? Who is not allowing open debate on the floor except on topics they want to pass? Do you know how our congressional system works? The issues never even make it to the floor to be debated. They don't get enough votes to be worthy of debate.

Mr. Reid shut down congress to be sure an issue was discussed in the media because it was getting no attention. Do you know what that was?

I'm not trying to out you, but you have to do your home work before you bring blame to the Dems on a democratic board. It sort of asking to be tared and feathered. Be part of the solution not part of the problem. We are entitled to be pissy with the Dems once and awhile, everyone on this board has done it but your an independent blaming democrats for all that is wrong with this Administration.

Who are your Representatives anyway?

[tecelote]

30. OK, I apologize for the King remark.

Sarcasm has been my opiate lately.

I'm not blaming Dems for all that is wrong with this Administration.

In most cases, I agree with Dems and you have cited some very good people that I do support. My frustration lies more with the media than the Dems. If the truth were told...

I do understand the problems you cite and I think Murtha is the first real voice I've heard that I can agree with concerning an illegal war. I applaud Ried for his actions as well. We need more.

I did not know that anyone was trying to get a national paid holiday for election day. I do know a lot of good DUer's are working hard to get an accountable and transparent voting system. This is a true grass roots effort I applaud.

Again, I must point out that, all in all, it is not enough. Tough as it may be to break the majority of their stranglehold, it must be done, as you say. Dissenting voices must be heard from all sides. I'm not pointing fingers at certain people, or Dems in general, and saying they are not doing enough. I'm saying that we are all not doing enough.

This started about corruption in Congress and the division among Americans you mentioned. I don't think the division is as big as you do. Because of this, I believe that it will be a mixed group of people from all sides that are needed to make change. Your average American needs to be outraged. Thus, my sarcasm.

Republicans today believe that they see the light, a "correct" path, and it is their duty to herd the sheep. There is no respect here. Democrats believe that everyone has a right to choose their own path. That is why Dems have such a hard time at solidarity. They think for themselves. They will naturally have disagreements and it will provide good honest debate. I'm all for it. I support the people you mention for this attitude.

But, this has not always been true of Republicans. They used to stand for ethical principals like government staying out of American's lives and a government that is as fiscally responsible as it's citizens are expected to be (when was the last time you heard the phrase "Deficit Spending?) A lot has been perverted.

This is why I am an Independent. Things change. I want to vote my heart and mind, not my party.

[SushiFan]

28. I DIG you ic gal

Please don't remind me of those bad elections. Bad memories may turn into migraines or nightmares.

Gotta go. Great kicking with y'all!!!! :)