So...this domestic spying is just going to evaporate into the ether?

[Stevendsmith]

Like every other BushCo crime. The suck-up press will cackle for a day or two, the Dems will call for an investigation, and then it'll just go away.

THERE ARE NEVER CONSEQUENCES FOR THE CRIMES OF BUSCHO.

NEVER.

EVER.

[CatholicEdHead]

1. Yes, Bush's speech tonight will take up the next news cycles

until this Christmas weekend. It will be long gone by the new year.

[Peachhead22]

18. Somehow I'm confident it won't go like that

Bush withdrew Myers and nominated Alito. The far right beamed and it dominated the airwaves...for a day. Then Harry Reid did his thing in the Senate over the 9/11 investigation. Bush lost the airwaves.

Iraqis voted for their parliament this week. The right beamed and it dominated the airwaves...for a day. The domestic spying story broke and once again, Bush lost the airwaves.

Drip, drip, drip. Even if this speech tonight is the best speech of Bush's life (which I highly doubt) and the airwaves are dominated by the right's misplaced hero-worship I'm confident somebody on our side will quickly do or reveal something to turn the tables on Bush yet again.

BushCo has done so much wrong against so many basic American values that we and the true patriots in the gov't have so much incriminating stuff on BushCo I think he's in for a prolonged (though probably not constant) shitstorm. :)

[LaurenG]

2. No it won't evaporate really it won't

I am thinking something very major is about to break. I don't know why but I do.

[HeeBGBz]

3. Me too

Something rather unpleasant.

[Stevendsmith]

4. Nothing major ever breaks. They get away with everything. I am so ...

fucking angry!

[Cocoa]

12. except for Scooter Libby

and Tom Delay, and Duke Cunningham.

So far...

[Stevendsmith]

14. Yes, those are nice hits, but they are not knock-out blows.

The last time I checked, these bastards are still firmly in power.

But you're point is taken.

[Cocoa]

16. drip drip drip

and their grip on power is getting less and less firm.

[helderheid]

5. I think so too - my fear is it will be martial law.

[GrantDem]

9. Me too...

I think that you are right. This latest revelation combined with the fact that the "CIA Leak" investigation isn't over seems to point to multiple problems for BushCo. The house of cards is tumbling.

[Phoebe Loosinhouse]

6. Breaking the law, admitting it and announcing you are going to do it some

more is different from anything else we've ever experienced. Bush has publicly stated that he is above the law. The Congress has to either agree or disagree with him. Everyone in Congress will become an unindicted co-conspirator in the commission of a crime unless they stand up now. They will be aiding and abetting unless they stand up.

[Stevendsmith]

7. We always think each new crime is "something different," and yet

they always skate.

I'm sorry, but I am just disgusted with the staggering absence of accountability.

Is there any crime they can't get away with?

Anything?!

[Phoebe Loosinhouse]

10. believe me, I understand

But before, I think they skated under some very finely drawn lines of illegality. This one is going to go all they way. The very nature and structure of the country is being undermined.

I do not think that the Congress will sit by and watch themselves as an entity be declared "irrelevant". That is what will be the result if Bush is allowed to get way with this. That would undermine their own intrinsic value and worth. "Power" is the great aphrodisiac in Washington, and these guys will not give up a bit of it without a struggle. This may have also been a major miscalculation of the Bushies. Don't let Congress know they're worthless figureheads until you tell them individually in person at some weird White House luncheon that they're not allowed to talk about afterwards.

[Stevendsmith]

13. Okay. Understood. So, how do you see this playing out?

Because anything short of impeachment will mean that Bush skates. As long as these people are in the White House, they win.

Believe me, I want the same thing you want, but I just don't see it happening.

[Phoebe Loosinhouse]

15. This has to become a Constitutional crisis

Bush has effectively declared war on the Legislative and Judicial branches of our government with his assertion that he is above the law. Congress will fight back because they have to, otherwise they would be dismantling themselves. It may take a while to gather steam, but it will ( remember Watergate). Don't be defeatist and don't be political. Believe me, this is bigger than all of us on this board, and it is bigger than your typical partisan bs. You will see a very strange coalition of people coming together, both right-wing and left wing to replace George Bush AND Dick Cheyney AND Condoleeza Rice.

If election fraud gets thrown into the mix, I personally don't see why we couldn't have a special Presidential election all over again. This time, I say we use paper ballots, vote over two days and have purple thumbs overselves.

[blm]

21. We've been in Constitutional crisis since corrupt GOP took over in mid90s.

They couldn't have gotten away with it so much without their many complicit mediawhores.

[pinto]

8. I don't think so. Spying on Americans pushes too many buttons, even among

the "Republican base"...could be wrong, though.

[Straight Shooter]

11. You are correct.

I watched the video that liveoaktx provided of Donaldson, Roberts and Will on the George Whiffen-poop-a-loss show, and, believe me, they were raising hell. Especially George Will.

Even an idiot radical Republican knows when the big wide line between legal and illegal is crossed. They were referring to bush in the same terms as King George of England. It was quite refreshing to hear no apologies or excuses or rationalizations in defense of His Imperial Chimpiness.

[blm]

17. That's why they had their cronies buy up broadcast media in the 80s, 90s.

It's whoever controls the airwaves controls the news and public perception.

It took a category 5 hurricane to wake much of this country up, fer chrissakes.

[alfredo]

19. We can't let this die. It is up to each one of us to keep the pressure

on the government and the media.

I've been postering around town. Just to let people know what is going on.

[emulatorloo]

20. arlen spector seems determined to hold hearings

doesnt seem pleased about it, and sure isn't a democrat.