WE are NOT the worlds democracy maker...this war is still wrong

[greenbriar]

WMD's was the reason we went there were none, we were wrong...so what if we spread our democracy...

when we leave it will fall to shit again.

WE would not want China or russia to come here after they decided we had a lunitic for a leader and spread their "democracy" here


that is NOT our job

[MindPilot]

1. Agreed. If our shit is so great...

we wouldn't need an army to share it.

[berner59]

3. Murtha said the same thing...

He said we don't go to war to bring democracy to countries and he's tired of them changing their stories on why we're there... We only go to war to protect OUR country... Sing it loud and clear Murtha!!!

[greenbriar]

4. I have been saying it from day one

this is bullshit and we are NOT wrong. This war was shit from the start

[driver8]

2. Exactly. When this clusterfuck started, the word "democracy" was

not mentioned in the same breath as "Iraq". Since the WMD story fell through, and the links to 9/11 were false, removing Saddam and spreading democracy was next on the hit parade.

We will be paying for this war, in many ways, for years to come.

[punpirate]

5. I would say, post-WWII...

... that our record of "spreading democracy" hasn't been too hot. We undid democracies in Iran (paying for that now), Guatemala (Guatemalans paid for that dearly), Vietnam (oh, yeah, we wrecked democratic elections there in 1956), Chile in 1973, and probably more that we, the public, don't know the facts for sure.

I suspect that when the US starts talking about "democracy," the rest of the world grabs hold of their wallets and their hats, `cause the shit's gonna come rainin' down.

[G_j]

6. Nuremberg: Aggressive war is utterly renounced & condemned as policy

Statement by U.S. Supreme Court Justice Robert L. Jackson
Chief U.S. Prosecutor
at the Nuremberg Tribunals

August 12, 1945
on War Trials Agreement; August 12, 1945

There are some things I would like to say, particularly to the American people, about the agreement we have just signed.
For the first time, four of the most powerful nations have agreed not only upon the principles of liability for war crimes of persecution, but also upon the principle of individual responsibility for the crime of attacking the international peace.

Repeatedly, nations have united in abstract declarations that the launching of aggressive war is illegal. They have condemned it by treaty. But now we have the concrete application of these abstractions in a way which ought to make clear to the world that those who lead their nations into aggressive war face individual accountability for such acts.
<snip>

"We must make clear to the Germans that the wrong for which
their fallen leaders are on trial is not that they lost the
war, but that they started it. And we must not allow
ourselves to be drawn into a trial of the causes of the war,
for our position is that no grievances or policies will
justify resort to aggressive war. It is utterly renounced
and condemned as an instrument of policy."
<snip>

U.S. Supreme Court Justice Robert L. Jackson
Chief U.S. Prosecutor
at the Nuremberg Tribunals
August 12, 1945

READ THE ENTIRE STATEMENT HERE:
http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/imt/jack02.htm

[dogday]

7. Democracy is not something you can force

on a people. Especially these people who live their lives by their religion. Democracy is not about that and I just don't see that happening in Iraq....

[stray cat]

8. The war was wrong but can it be redeemed for Iraq.

Or do we hate Bush more than we profess to love innocent Iraqis.

[HysteryDiagnosis]

9. He's gotta have some sort of cover for his gd oil grab. nt.

[TahitiNut]

10. Democracy is like taking a shit. You can't expect others to do it for you.

Forcing democracy on another nation is like forcing love on a woman: it's called rape.

[greenbriar]

11. exactly

and I am getting sick of insannity et al crowing about how great this president was in his forward thinking vision...


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