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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 08:50 AM
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Official Says Voting Machines Can Be Hacked
Posted on Thu, Dec. 15, 2005
ELECTIONSNew tests fuel doubts about vote machines
BY MARC CAPUTO AND GARY [email protected] -

A top election official and computer experts say computer hackers could easily change election results, after they found numerous flaws with a state-approved voting-machine in Tallahassee.

A political operative with hacking skills could alter the results of any election on Diebold-made voting machines -- and possibly other new voting systems in Florida -- according to the state capital's election supervisor, who said Diebold software has failed repeated tests.

Ion Sancho, Leon County's election chief, said tests by two computer experts, completed this week, showed that an insider could surreptitiously change vote results and the number of ballots cast on Diebold's optical-scan machines.

''That's kind of scary. If there's no paper trail, you have to rely solely on electronic results. And now we know that they can be manipulated under the right conditions, without a person even leaving a fingerprint,'' said Sancho, who once headed the state's elections supervisors association.
http://www.politicalwire.com/
http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/news/state/13410061.htm
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 08:53 AM
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1. It's good to see this...
How big a paper is the Herald?
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 11:23 AM
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9. Miami Herald is pretty big, but it really means nothing unless you
get that article on the front page of the Orlando Sentinel and the Tampa Tribune which are the right-wing papers in the state. I would also like to see that story on the front page of the Chicago Tribune and the L.A. Times. Then you have something.
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newportdadde Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 08:53 AM
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2. American Idol starts again in Jan.
The sheep don't care.
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reprehensor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 08:54 AM
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3. Thanks for posting.
I'm pretty sure it's a little past 'could have'.
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PDJane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 09:17 AM
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4. Yeah, it is.
I wonder where the guy who claimed he was paid for altering the software so that votes would default to Bush.......

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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 01:02 PM
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14. do you mean CLINT CURTIS??
he's around but the dems won't bother to use his info...he has offered over and over!!

fly
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Celebration Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 10:05 AM
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5. Kicking!!
Please let's not let this thread drop. No subject is more important.
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Celebration Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 11:13 AM
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6. Recommended
Everyone needs to know this.
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MGKrebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 11:17 AM
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7. For a time I was hoping that (here in Georgia)
a benevolent hacker would alter a race so that it had been obviously hacked, i.e. make Micky Mouse win or something. But then I found out that they don't even have to report non-qualified candidates (included most write-ins). So even if the hacker were successful, we might never know it.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 01:10 PM
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17. Which is really creepy
Edited on Thu Dec-15-05 01:11 PM by FreedomAngel82
Anyone could win the "election." If your vote doesn't count would it still be called an election? Nah. More like a selection. Ohio anyone? Which is why we have to get rid of the machines in all these states where you can get rid of them and win without Ohio and than ban all machines from elections all over the country.
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adolfo Donating Member (525 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 07:11 PM
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30. Still possible
Edited on Thu Dec-15-05 07:29 PM by adolfo
One way of proving a successful hack would be by a coded message within the results.

For example, a regular telephone keypad can be used as the key.

Bush Total 5,375

Here are the letters. Can you decode it?

5= JKL
3= DEF
7= PQRS
5= JKL

(Hint: 4 letters in order _ _ _ _ )
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Generic Other Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 11:18 AM
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8. kick
:kick:
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Kansas Wyatt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 11:24 AM
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10. Diebold cleans house, Novak fires a shot, now this finally gets out.
Is something about to break wide open, exposing what the Bush Cabal has done?
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Nictuku Donating Member (907 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 12:18 PM
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11. One can Hope
..... otherwise, if nothing is done about this glaring and obvious loss of the most important thing in our beloved country (Democracy), with the help of non-responsive war-mongering MSM, then We, the People (including Hackers) should do something about it ourselves.

Surely the Left has better hackers than the Right?
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AntiFascist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 04:28 PM
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27. only as a last resort, but here's a thought.....

it might draw attention to the problem from the right wing!

Please don't do this to (s)elect right-wing Democrats.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 01:14 PM
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18. Maybe that's why Bush has been acting weird lately
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OregonBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 12:18 PM
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12. USA today has printed this story verbatim!!!! This is huge.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2005-12-15-opticalvoting_x.htm

Start sending to EVERYONE and email to all other news outlets with
Why aren't your reporting this?
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 01:04 PM
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15. Glad to hear it is getting some coverage
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OregonBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 01:18 PM
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19. I have sent the following to all the MSM media outlets and
emailed to EVERYONE I know with the question: Is it too much for the MSM to get their little minds around or is it just a cover up?

CEO O’Dell resigned Monday. Any connection? Think there might be a story here?

Miami Herald
December 15, 2005

Elections supervisor: Some Diebold voting machines can be hacked

Associated Press
TALLAHASSEE, Fla. - Some Diebold-made voting machines, which are used in Florida and elsewhere throughout the country, can be hacked to change the results of an election, according to tests conducted for Leon County's elections supervisor and a monitoring group.
Ion Sancho said tests by two computer experts showed an insider could secretly change election results and the number of ballots cast on Diebold's optical-scan machines. The tests caused Sancho this week to scrap Leon's Diebold machines for a system made by Election Systems and Software, according to a story published Thursday by The Miami Herald.
Diebold, which has been criticized for its connections to President Bush, has disputed the test results.
Optical-scan machines use paper ballots where voters fill in bubbles to mark their candidates. The ballots are then fed into scanners that record the selections. Some prefer the optical-scan system over touch-screen computer systems because the paper ballots can be counted by hand if there is a discrepancy.

http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/news/state/13413981.htm
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2005-12-15-opticalvoting_x.htm

This is from the Supervisor of Elections website:
Wednesday, December 14, 2005
Ion Sancho, Supervisor of Elections
Special Report: Black Box Voting Attempts to Penetrate The Leon County Florida Optical Scan Voting System.
In January of this year Leon County Supervisor of Elections Ion Sancho was contacted by representatives of Black Box Voting .org, a non-partisan elections advocacy group, to see if their computer experts could successfully circumvent the security of the Leon County voting system. Supervisor Sancho agreed to this proposal and in three separate attempts over a four month period, computer experts Dr. Herbert Thompson and Harri Hursti visited the Leon County Elections Office in their efforts to penetrate the county voting tabulation equipment and alter election data.
The tests focused on two areas: outside or external hacks, specifically examining the modem and any lines going to the vote tabulation computer, and simulated inside or internal penetrations. The results were clear. No outside hack was accomplished. This was not the case however when the hacker was physically present at the vote tabulation computer terminal.
Granted the same access as an employee of our office, it was possible to enter the computer, alter election results, and exit the system without leaving any physical record of this action. It was also demonstrated that false information or instructions could be placed on a memory card (the device used to program the individual voting machines and record the voter’s votes) and create false results or election reports.
What conclusions can be drawn from this exercise? First, the optical scan voting system was resistant to external penetration, including using the modems which transmit election results from the precincts to the central vote accumulator. Outside hacking is seen as one of the greatest potential threats to undermining citizen confidence in the election process. The Leon County Supervisor of Elections is tremendously relieved that such penetration was not accomplished.

http://www.leonfl.org/elect/SpecialReport.asp

Black Box Voting – December 14, 2005
Wed. December 14, 2005: Due to contractual non-performance and security design issues, Leon County (Florida) supervisor of elections Ion Sancho has announced that he will never again use Diebold in an election. He has requested funds to replace the Diebold system from the county. On Tuesday, the most serious “hack” demonstration to date took place in Leon County. The Diebold machines succumbed quickly to alteration of the votes. This comes on the heels of the resignation of Diebold CEO Wally O'Dell, and the announcement that a stockholder's class action suit has been filed against Diebold by Scott & Scott. Further “hack” testing on additional vulnerabilities is tentatively scheduled before Christmas in the state of California.

Finnish security expert Harri Hursti, together with Black Box Voting, demonstrated that Diebold made misrepresentations to Secretaries of State across the nation when Diebold claimed votes could not be changed on the “memory card” (the credit-card-sized ballot box used by computerized voting machines.

A test election was run in Leon County on Tuesday with a total of eight ballots. Six ballots voted "no" on a ballot question as to whether Diebold voting machines can be hacked or not. Two ballots, cast by Dr. Herbert Thompson and by Harri Hursti voted "yes" indicating a belief that the Diebold machines could be hacked.

At the beginning of the test election the memory card programmed by Harri Hursti was inserted into an Optical Scan Diebold voting machine. A "zero report" was run indicating zero votes on the memory card. In fact, however, Hursti had pre-loaded the memory card with plus and minus votes.

http://www.blackboxvoting.org/

EXCLUSIVE: SECURITIES FRAUD LITIGATION FILED AGAINST DIEBOLD, INC!
Eight Current and Former Executives Named as Co-Defendants, Including former CEO O'Dell and New CEO Swidarski

Class Action Suit Alleges Fraud, Insider Trading, Manipulation of Stock Prices, Concealment of Known Flaws in Voting Machines and Company Structural Problems...

The BRAD BLOG can now report that a Securities Fraud Class Action suit has been filed against Diebold, Inc. (stock symbol: DBD) naming eight top executive officers in the company as co-defendants. The suit has been filed by plaintiff Janice Konkol, alleging securities fraud against the North Canton, Ohio-based manufacturer of Voting Systems and ATM machines on behalf of investors who owned shares of Diebold stock and lost money due to an alleged fraudulent scheme by the company and its executives to deceive shareholders during the "class period" of October 22, 2003 through September 21, 2005.

The suit was filed today in U.S. Federal District Court in Ohio and alleges the company "artificially inflated" stock prices through misleading public information designed to conceal the true nature of Diebold's financial and legal situation. The defendants are also alleged to have attempted to disguise well-known and ongoing problems with Diebold's Voting Machine equipment and software. Additionally, the suit alleges insider trading by defendants resulting in proceeds of $2.7 million. Remedies are sought under the Securities Exchange Act of 1934.

http://www.bradblog.com/archives/00002153.htm

California Secretary of State's office which reported that Diebold had admitted to violating state law in each of its 17 client counties (listed below):
he VSPP initiated an audit of all 17 California counties using Diebold voting systems. The audit discovered that Diebold had, in fact, installed uncertified software in all its client counties without notifying the Secretary of State as required by law, and that the software was not federally qualified in three client counties. Diebold eventually acknowledged that it had failed to notify the Secretary of State of its proposed system modifications, and that its failure to obtain certification for those modifications violated state law. (p.3)

In response to that revelation, GuvWurld recently pondered:
Who allowed Humboldt's voting machines to have uncertified software installed in them? Was someone in the Humboldt County elections department complicit in this crime or merely negligent? Is this person still employed by the elections department, and if so, why?

These questions have been referred to the Humboldt County District Attorney and Grand Jury. These same questions are valid in each of the 16 other California counties using Diebold touch screens and/or scanners. GuvWurld hereby calls for a coordinated effort among election reformers to make this an issue throughout the state. Why? Look what appeared on page four of the same CA SoS report:
Diebold's conduct has created an untenable situation for both county and state elections officials. Some county officials have felt compelled to defend untested, unqualified and uncertified Diebold voting systems, having authorized large capital outlays only to find out on the eve of or during an election that the systems do not function as promised. Before the March <2004> Primary, county officials repeatedly warned that, without certification of particular voting system components, the election could not be conducted because it was too late to devise and implement back-up plans.

If elections officials were or are in an "untenable situation," then voters are in an even worse position. We are trying to draw a line in the sand demonstrating our refusal to accept election conditions that will continue to guarantee inconclusive outcomes. Necessary to this goal is a similar line in the sand laid down by elections officials. After all, if they say elections "could not be conducted" under certain circumstances, why have we not seen a cancelled election? Where will elections officials draw their line in the sand?

http://guvworld.blogspot.com

Stull, Stull & Brody Announces Class Action Against Diebold Inc.
NEW YORK, NY -- (MARKET WIRE) -- 12/14/2005 -- Notice is hereby given that a class action has been commenced in the United States District Court for the Northern District of Ohio on behalf of all persons who purchased the securities of Diebold Inc. (NYSE: DBD) ("Diebold" or the "Company") during the period between October 22, 2003 and September 21, 2005 (the "Class Period") against Diebold and individual defendants.
Stull, Stull & Brody has substantial experience representing employees who suffered losses from purchases of their employer's stock in their 401(k) plans. If you bought Diebold's stock through your Diebold retirement account and have information or would like to learn more about these claims, please contact us.
The complaint alleges that defendants violated provisions of the United States securities laws causing artificial inflation of the Company's stock price. According to the complaint, during the Class Period, the Company lacked a credible state of internal controls and corporate compliance and remained unable to assure the quality and working order of its voting machine products. It is further alleged that the Company's false and misleading statements served to conceal the dimensions and scope of internal problems at the Company, impacting product quality, strategic planning, forecasting and guidance and culminating in false representations of astonishingly low and incredibly inaccurate restructuring charges for the 2005 fiscal year, which grossly understated the true costs and problems defendants faced to restructure the Company. The complaint also alleges over $2.7 million of insider trading proceeds obtained by individual defendants during the Class Period.
Finally, investors learned the truth about the adverse impact of the Company's alleged defective and deficient inventory-related controls and systems on Diebold's financial performance. As a result of defendants' shocking news and disclosures of September 21, 2005, the price of Diebold shares plunged 15.5% on unusually high volume, falling from $44.37 per share on September 20, 2005, to $37.47 per share on September 21, 2005, for a one-day drop of $6.90 per share on volume of 6.1 million shares -- nearly eight times the average daily trading volume.

http://www.marketwire.com/mw/release_html_b1?release_id=104056



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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 01:43 PM
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21. Excellent! :^)
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electropop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 03:48 PM
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26. "a very foolish and irresponsible act"
Both Diebold and the Florida Secretary of State are pissed about the test. :nopity:

...
The voting system maker, Diebold Inc., sent a letter in response that questioned the test results and said the test was "a very foolish and irresponsible act" that may violated licensing agreements.

Company spokesman David Bear did not return a phone call from The Associated Press seeking comment Thursday. Diebold's letter was written by its senior lawyer, Michael Lindroos, and sent to the state of Florida, Leon County and the county election supervisor, Ion Sancho.
...
Sancho criticized the Florida Secretary of State's Office, which approves the voting systems used in the state, for not catching the alleged problems.

A spokeswoman for the secretary of state's office said any faults Sancho found were between him and Diebold.

"If Ion Sancho has security concerns with his system, he needs to discuss them with Diebold," spokeswoman Jenny Nash said.
...
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CrispyQ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 12:19 PM
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13. Paper ballots are only good if they go back to them to verify the vote.
Once the vote is digitized, it can be stolen, paper ballots or not.

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seafan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 08:12 PM
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31. Yes, this is the most important point of all. Paper backup does NO GOOD
if these paper backup ballots are never used to verify the machines. The machines will *keep the margin just wide enough to disallow any recounts*. And we have yet another robbed election.

What is the answer?

We MUST conduct the ORIGINAL vote count on PAPER BALLOTS. This means paper and pen voting in the first place!



I just cannot see any way around this.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 01:09 PM
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16. At least now
an expert can back those of us who are on that trail up and bring more awareness.
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VolcanoJen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 01:24 PM
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20. That pretty much explains the "Reform Ohio Now" results.
x(
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 02:20 PM
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22. Well, D'oh
Any current or former 10 year-old born in the last 25 YEARS knows that computers don't alway do what you want them to do. How this bullshit EVER GOT SO FAR is really beyond me...
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driver8 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 03:27 PM
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24. You are exactly right! I cannot believe that people running our
elections are this ignorant.

"Hey, let's count ballots with a computer, but we won't have any paper trail. That sounds like a great idea!!"
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Stevepol Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 02:23 PM
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23. Kicked and recommended!!!!!
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Inland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 03:32 PM
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25. Kick nt
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 04:40 PM
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28. It's nice that they finally got around to testing the equipment.
I hope no one hurt themselves or had to go too far out of their way.

It was proved two years ago on video that these "voting machines" were shit-boxes.

Better late than never. And now perhaps the rest of the country can test their equipment without living with the horrible, psychologically crippling fear that someone, somewhere will think of them as a "conspiracy nut" for doing so.

Allowing these machines in with no prior examination is a wretched chapter in American history. Make that "world" history.

I'm so disgusted, I bet you can smell it from behind that keyboard.
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RazzleDazzle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 05:16 PM
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29. What does it take to get people to post the real link?
politicalwire.com isn't it.

Here's the real link to that story:
http://politicalwire.com/archives/2005/12/15/official_says_voting_machines_can_be_hacked.html

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boston bean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 08:14 PM
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32. Wow! What a suprise! They can be hacked??
:sarcasm:
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 08:19 PM
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33. I am SHOCKED I tell you!!!!
who the fuck could have predicted?? :grr:
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boston bean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 08:28 PM
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34. I never would have imagined or thought this could happen in the
good ol us of a.

What a freakin joke.

What they hell are they going to do about it.

I myself have complained to all my reps and senators, which include Kerry.

Also, I have spoken about to almost everyone I know. They think I a conspiracy theorist. That I watch and read too much politics. Basically they think that I'm nuts.
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 05:53 AM
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38. I quit working for the local Democratic party over this issue
Everytime I brought up electronic voting and stealing votes they looked at me like I had two heads. I vote on PAPERLESS DIEBOLD by the way. And our local election official is so tainted by Diebold it is pathetic. Yet the folks at Dem. headquarters defend him as a "great guy" who is "above board".
:puke:

So I left and said don't waste your stamps on me either. :(
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TheCentepedeShoes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 08:41 PM
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35. I was living in Tally
during the '00 debacle. From what I know, Sancho is a stand - up guy. Leon went blue in '00 IIRC, except for the part (Killearn) where I lived. Sancho had a front seat to see what could be done then.
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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 10:22 PM
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36. Here is my letter to Marc Caputo from this morning
Thanks for your article on Leon County’s “experiment” and findings. You left out two important points that would have made this a stronger story.

First, although you mentioned that:

“Sancho said Diebold isn't the only one to blame for hacker-prone equipment. The Florida secretary of state's office should have caught these problems early on, he said, and the Legislature should scrap a law severely restricting recounts on touch-screen machines and equip them with the means of producing a paper trail.”

What you didn’t mention is that all the systems which do not produce this trail are in direct violation of the Florida Election Reform Act of 2001. Also, that Rep. Robert Wexler had a pending lawsuit against Glenda Hood. This was scheduled to be heard on December 7.

From Rep. Robert Wexler’s site: http://www.wexler.house.gov/issues.php?ID=10

“According to this law, a manual recount will automatically be conducted in any election when the margin of victory is one-fourth of a percent or less. Without individual paper ballots being verified by each respective voter, a true manual recount is impossible."

“In a recount without voter-verified paper ballots, the machines will only reprint the same results they recorded the first time. This simply means there is no way to confirm that the original results are correct, which is the essence of a recount. A reprint is not a recount.”

http://www.wexler.house.gov/news.php?ID=146

The second point you neglected to mention is the GAO report from this past September regarding Election security and reliability.

http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d05956.pdf

Thanks for putting this out there, but I believe a more complete accounting of the state’s system, how it compares to the laws on the books and what changes must be made to guarantee fair elections and voting rights would better serve the public interest.
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stickdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 12:17 AM
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37. Nice letter. (nt)
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