Neo-cons will never vote for Hillary. I hope she realizes that.

[bluestateguy]

Hillary better wake up. She better realize that neo-cons, and their little pecker-head, phony intellectual friends at the think tanks, will never vote for her, no matter how hard she tries. She will always be insufficiently hawkish to suit them. They will always whine that she supports "inadequate" levels of funding for the Pentagon. Hillary will never win them, no matter how hard she tries to put on her Margaret Thatcher act. But with some work she can get us back, if she listens to us.

[marylanddem]

1. Except I would find it hard to trust her. nt

[Webster Green]

2. Fool me once, shame on................uh....

Won't get fooled again...

[still_one]

3. and I will never vote for her either

[calico1]

4. Her pandering to the right will

accomplish two things: Conservative voters still won't vote for and she will lose votes from Democrats and Independents.

[mmonk]

5. The neocons might

if it assures their participation in government. Their republican voters are the ones that won't. They don't know what a neocon is.

[niceypoo]

6. Agreed, there is no logic behind their Clinton hatred

and it runs very deep. She is fooling herself and alienating her own party.

[marylanddem]

7. And Bill hanging out with Poppy - irregardless of the cause -

also infuriates me. It's as if he can't get enough limelight. And I did love Bill once upon a time.

[ComerPerro]

8. What's that line, something like:

Given the choice between a Republican and a Democrat who acts like a Republican, people will vote for the Republican every time...

[eallen]

9. And you assume she is not sincere because.... ?

Why is it that every Democrat who voices a view not diametrically opposed to the GOP is said to be pandering?

Be careful. The GOP is not wrong about everything. No ideology is wrong in every regards. Likely if I searched it carefully enough, I could find some point of Shari'a law that made sense. (Though none pops to mind off the top of my head.) To the extent that we define ourselves as "polar opposite," we also define ourselves as screwball.

[marylanddem]

10. What is the GOP not wrong about?

[eallen]

16. Most things. Think about it.

Most Republicans, just like you and I, believe in electing a president every four years, in trial by jury, in a legal system where laws and trials are public, in outlawing murder, theft, and rape, and in a long list of things that rarely reach the level of political dispute, because there is such broad concensus for them. Politics focuses on differences, on top of a large base of commonalities. That creates a political map that has far more than one dimension.

While almost every Democrat disagrees with Bush, they don't agree on those disagreements. Some disagree over civil liberties. Some disagree over his fiscal policies. Some disagree over his tax policies. Some disagree with the war against Afghanistan. Some disagree over his broader foreign policy. Some disagree on how the Iraq war was prosecuted. Some disgree on how it was started. Some disagree with his judicial appointments. Some disagree his attempt to inject religion into government. I suspect, though, that the majority of Democrats agree with something Bush has done. They would have to be automated sheeple to universally disagree with everything. So there will be diversity on where they agree and disagree.

Until proven otherwise, I assume Hillary is sincere in the views she presents. It's fine to disagree with them. But that doesn't mean she is pandering.

[Atman]

11. I've never met a republican who didn't swear Hillary was Satan himself

They absolutely loathe Hillary, and blame her for every ill in the world, including her allowing her no-good husband to get a blow job without kicking his ass out. A rather stunning bit of hypocrisy in its own right, coming from this morally backrupt bunch of Jesus Poseurs. They will never, ever, vote for Hillary. Unless, perhaps, Condi runs...because if there is anything worse than a woman president to a republican, it's a black woman president.

[mtnsnake]

15. Compared to what's said about her on THIS forum, THAT is a compliment!

Most of the people here think she's WORSE than Satan! I don't, though.

[mtnsnake]

12. What is this nonsense she's out for the neocons vote?

If anything she's out for the vote of middle of the road America, and that doesn't include neocons, last I knew.

Jesus h crist it's utterly amazing how many people on a supposedly Democrat forum try to mis-characterize her as a friggin neocon, when she's practically the opposite. If anyone can prove she's a neocon please speak up, only give us some facts that prove it and not just random blank statements that you say she is one. Hillary isn't my perfect choice, but she's more progressive than MOST of our other candidates, and anything implying that she's out for neocons vote or that she is one herself (I'm not saying you, personally OP, said she is one but so many other posters have) is utter bullshit.

[bluestateguy]

13. "Middle of the road" folk no longer support this war

So that is the direction she should go, if pursuing them is her task. But that is not what she is doing.

[mtnsnake]

14. Now THAT is a valid point but the idea she's out to get the neocons vote

isn't. I don't disagree with you that she should take the direction you suggest as far as the war is concerned.

[mmonk]

18. Most republicans aren't neocons

nor know that much about them. The neocons used the republican party as a vehicle. They will use any vehicle.

[BuyingThyme]

17. Lieberman would vote for her in a second.