Should gay people be allowed to get married and adopt children?

[...of J.Temperance]

Poll question: Should gay people be allowed to get married and adopt children?

Should gay people be allowed to get married and adopt children?

I think that they should. Gay people pay taxes, so they should be afforded the same rights as EVERYBODY else, it's as simple as that.

They should be allowed exactly the same fiscal and social benefits that heterosexual people have...including when their partner dies.

Also I see no problem with gay people being allowed to adopt children. There are thousands and thousands of children out there, who need a good and loving home...I'm sure that many gay people could offer those children a good and loving home. They are as valuable to society as anybody else.

I understand that this isn't probably a big vote winner. However, I think we could keep it on the backburner. Once we get back into charge, we could then launch it onto the nation. Yes, there would be a bit of a hullabaloo...but after a while, I think that the majority of people would just kind of get used to it.

So, do you think that gay people should be allowed to get married and adopt children?

:popcorn:

[KitchenWitch]

1. That is my ... of J Temperance

always shying away from the controversial topics! ;)

I voted for allowing both marriage and adoption.

[...of J.Temperance]

2. Oh heck

:) Well you know...I love knowing what other people think about these subjects and I like subjects that tend to encourage debate.

And of course, I love doing polls...I should be given Zogby's job really!

[w13rd0]

3. As a child of a same-sex couple...

...I say yes, without a doubt. Like all new parents, my mother made a few mistakes with me growing up (neither were comfortable discussing sex all that much, and my father was pretty useless in that area as well), but she's turned out fabulous and I consider them both role models, and they are great grandparents.

I think many of the issues I had as a child could have been avoided had not there been the stigmatism and predjudice that we are now trying to overcome. Any hardships were due not to their actions, but to others reactions.

[...of J.Temperance]

6. I found your story very nice :)

And you're living proof.

What you said is right, the problem with the stigmatism and predjudice, is all simply down to ignorance. Which is why we should have these things taught in school from the ages of 12 or something.

The only way to combat ignorance, is through education.

[Spinzonner]

4. No, and neither should heterosexuals

Time to put an end to the failed homosapiens culture.

[...of J.Temperance]

5. Well, there's nothing left then EXCEPT to start marrying and breeding with

Ya see, Jack Arnold was WAY AHEAD of his time ;)

[Birthmark]

7. Yes, I believe they should.

However, I believe that gays should be prohibited from buying crayons. This will allow the homophobes to deprive gays of something, making the homophobes feel all powerful, while not seriously inconveniencing the targets of the homophobes.

[Che_Nuevara]

19. But then gays can't buy their children crayons.

And then children of gay couples really WOULD be disadvantaged, and the crazies would be right.

[Birthmark]

23. Nah.

They could send the kid into buy them. Be a good learning experience.

[Neil Lisst]

8. Absolutely.

nuff said

[NMMNG]

9. Oh, but if gays are allowed to marry and adopt children,

Then people will want to marry their children, their pets, their siblings, or their furniture. There will be no end to the possible matches! And then they'll want to bring innocent adopted children into these sordid relationships!!!

Won't somebody please think of the children????? :sarcasm:

[roguevalley]

11. I'd love to marry a ferrari. And the gays? Let them. I'm so old I

remember when divorce was illegal.

[NMMNG]

12. Yeah. Considering how much damage I wonder why the Fundies aren't

crusading to have that illegalized again. :sarcasm:

[Solly Mack]

10. The GLBT community has the right to get married

a right protected by law - 14th amendment, equal protection under the law. It's not up to me or anyone else to "allow" it - the Constitution protects that right. Every day the GBLT is denied this right, America is guilty of practicing and perpetuating hate and discrimination.



and the GLBT community should have the exact same opportunity to adopt children as anyone else

it's not Gay(LBT) Rights - it's Human Rights.

[bliss_eternal]

13. I don't believe other's sexuality should be legislated...

it sickens me that it is. It's none of my business (or anyone else's) who people love.

Life is hard enough, why shouldn't people go through life with a loved one and adopt children and create a family, just like anyone else can?

There are ridiculous amounts of children that never get adopted--ethnic children, biracial children, children born drug exposed, or with HIV. Children that the 'anti-choice crowd' don't see and don't care about when they are so busy telling women what they should or should not do. :grr: If there are couples that aren't going to 'pick over children' looking for the perfect little newborn, or blond haired blue eyed angel--why the hell should they not be able to adopt?

[Behind the Aegis]

14. yes

I have been without a job for almost three years. I have a wonderful man that cares for me (and I am not even a good house-husband). I can't get grants for school because HE makes too much money. I can't assistance because HE makes too much money. What does his income have to do with it? I live in the same house as he does and don't pay rent, so I am not eligible for those programs. That doesn't sound too discriminatory until you consider I have no rights over the house, the cars, or anything else.

Two years ago, our furnace blew up in his face. He had 3rd and 2nd degree burns. We had just moved to this shitty town. I called 911 and they sent an ambulance. It was snowing. They took him to the hospital, but I couldn't go with him because I was not a "relative!" I almost got into a fist-fight with the EMT because he wouldn't tell me what was going on.

I get to the hospital, after calling my parents and his, and tell them (hospital administration) I am there to see him. Thankfully, the nurse (I LOVE NURSES) let me in to see him. I, of course, had all his information and insurance. They treat him in the ER and say that he is going to have scarring and needs to be admitted to a room. I have to get his parents on the phone to agree (BTW...they still haven't figured it out even though we have been together for four years).

They take him to a room. He is now passed out because of the morphine. In comes the doctor, who tries to rouse him. My sweetie rolls his head in the direction of the doctor. The doctor then proceeds to tell him what he needs to do, including complicated dressing and cleaning of the wound. I stop the doctor and explain that I will be taking care of him and he needs to address me. The doctor asks if I am family and I tell him that I am my sweetie's partner. The doctor snorts, and goes back to talking to "T" (my sweetie). Finally, I say: "Look, you stupid prick, I will be the one caring for him! I will be the one dressing the wounds! You need to TELL ME what to do! He is drugged out and wouldn't be able to pick you out of a line-up....So fucking tell me what to do!" He looked at me with big eyes. I told him..."are you scared of me? You should be!"

His response was: "Well, the patient has been briefed. I will be back to check on him. If you are not a relative, you will have to leave."

I asked him; "are you going to be the one to remove me? Because I am guessing my little faggot ass will toss you out that fucking window before you get me to leave this room! You can call security, and I will call the AMA and have your fucking license revoked! I am a Jew, motherfucker, you know my kind...we are either doctors or lawyers...guess which branch I am!?" Of course, I am neither a lawyer or doctor (although, I have both in my family). He just left. I didn't see him again. I got all my updates from the nurses, who had been briefed about me.

BTW..."T" has no scars...according to the surgeon who examined him, it was miraculous. Of course, the surgeon had no idea that "T" was partnered with a witch, who did things to prevent scarring and expedite healing...but that is another thread and forum (the power of love is incredible).

Zoom to the the recent past...I had to get insurance because my policy was canceled (didn't work for the university anymore and COBRA was at the end). I couldn't get coverage by my partner's firm. That has changed, but doesn't go into effect until January, and has cost us over $1200 this past year (and I can't even use it in this town). Although I will soon get coverage, it is limited.

So, should we have the same rights? HELL YES!

on edit: we don't want kids! But, like abortion, it is (and should be) our choice!!!!

[muchacho]

15. silly poll

where do you think you are? Free Republic?

;)

[area51]

16. How 'bout a poll

or discussion thread on why straight people think they have a right to legislate what gay people do w/their lives? :evilgrin:

As I've said in other threads, if gay people aren't allowed equal rights, they shouldn't have to pay the same amount of taxes as straights.

[bigscott]

18. some of us

already have done both - so far I have not noticed the mark of the beast under my son's hairline.

[marmar]

22. Exactly...

I'm straight, but I get so tired of discussions about whether this aspect of gay life or that aspect of gay life is acceptable to straight people. You know what, straight people really don't have a say in it.
As a minority (I'm African American), you get really tired of worrying if who you are is "acceptable" to a larger group. You can either like it or piss off.

[MountainLaurel]

24. Amen

:applause:

[...of J.Temperance]

34. Straight people DO have a say in it...because if the law is to be changed

Then it's going to be done by straight politicians.

[...of J.Temperance]

32. I didn't mean to offend you...n/t

[foreverdem]

17. Yes, they should

The pay taxes, work, do all the same things that hetero couples do. As for adopting children, why not? There are plenty of kids from homes with hetero parents that end up screwed up, who's to say that gay parents wouldn't be good parents?

[DanCa]

20. Gay people are human beings dang it

I hate using that in the hyphenated venacular but to me a persons orientation is a non issue. I think that a person any person regardless of gender should be allowed to love worship have family and serve thier country any way they feel about it.

[Ian David]

21. Nobody should be allowed. Children are meant to roam free in the forest

the way Gawd intended.

Haven't you seen Peter Pan or Lord of the Flies?

Now, compare that to Indina Jones and The Temple of Doom, and tell me if it's fair to keep children in captivity.

[mikeytherat]

28. Actually, Lord of the Flies is not such a good example to use.

Especially if you are Piggy.

I agree with you about Temple of Doom, though; so sad that those children were stuck in that turd of a movie.

mikey_the_rat

[Donald Ian Rankin]

25. Why is there no poll option

For "allowed to adopt children but not to marry"?

I can't imagine many people would vote for it, but for the sake of completeness it ought to be there.

It's also not unlikely to become the law in non-trivial numbers of places if "civil union" laws with adoption rights get brought in, but official marriage doesn't.

[Doctor_J]

26. Is it stupid poll day at DU?

War on Christmas, now this? :eyes:

[mondo joe]

27. I'm waiting for Should Black People Be Allowed to Sit in the Front of the

Bus?

[Doctor_J]

29. Or,

Are Free Speech Zones a Good Idea?

[madokie]

30. Recommended.

My belief is that gays are born not made.

[hunter]

31. Horrors! The kids might grow up to think that sort of thing is NATURAL!

:sarcasm:

The only people who should be allowed to adopt are God fearing Christian families where the husband works and the woman stays at home and the wife and children are beaten whenever they are bad and for no reason at all to show them that God loves them.

:sarcasm:

[ulysses]

33. of course. n/t

[durrrty libby]

35. This should be such a non-issue,

but the pugs have to drag religion into everything. They are such sanctimonious twits.

Why does anyone care who love who? Happiness is not that easy to find, so if people are lucky enough to be part of a loving couple, kudos to them.

[kliljedahl]

36. Sure they can

Why shouldn't they be given the opportunity to be as miseable as us heteros?



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[Samurai_Writer]

37. There are tons of gays out there with children already

Almost all my gay friends have children... their own biological children and adopted children. A gay can adopt as a single parent (as long as you don't tell them you're gay... sighs) in many states.

It always amazes me when I hear these neocon crazies railing against gay marriage and adoption... like gays couldn't have their own children, and like the world would end if two people who love each other had the same rights as other committed couples.