KO: This Bush's Brain Guy is Freaking me Out!

[leftchick]

OMG! He is agreeing totally with Sy Hersh's assessment of how Religion is guiding the CIC! How he also was like this while Governor of Texas but no one took note.

This is some scary shit!

:hide:

[rzemanfl]

1. We have been in deep scary shit since the 2000 Election fiasco.

The really scary part is that * only thinks God is telling him what to do, when in reality it is a bunch of greedy millionaires convincing him that what they want is what God wants.

[leftchick]

4. exactly

and that is indeed scary! how did such a fucking dipshit get installed? Wait, I know it begins with a D... :(

[liveoaktx]

21. VIDEO

Slater

[texpatriot2004]

58. Thanks for the video nm

[goclark]

29. Bush doesn't believe in God, he only believes in his mirror

And he is so stupid, he doesn't understand that there really is no MAN in the Mirror.

There is onlu a drunk bully with no there there.

Shameful!

The God part is just Photo Speak!

[jbnow]

83. I don't know...God might fit

into his vague delusional system about his own importance.

I agree that he has no relationship with God, that he put on Christianity like a cloak to cover his failings and look better, but under the stress of responsibilities of being president he could easily come to believe this is a calling. What better way to shake off the doubts and the deaths?

On a lighter note I can never hear "bush's brain" without smiling. Some very late night talk show has a dog puppet. They were at the conventions. Some Dems actually talked to the puppet. At the republican one they tried to interview rove who scowled and walked by.

So there was this dog puppet calling for rove and the last thing he said as rove walked by was "You're bush's brain. I thought you'd be a much smaller man".

Good doggy puppet.

[misternormal]

32. I have this odd vision of...

Cheny and Rummy sneaking in the white house after hours, and whispering in *'s ear while he sleeps, giving him "sleep suggestions" so that he will think everything is his own idea.

Gives Me the shudders... :headbang:

[Talismom]

68. Yeah, like the husband in the old movie "Gaslight". n/t

[laureloak]

44. Nah, he's using God as a front. n/t

[CBHagman]

59. I think you have something there.

It's just his own greed and pride and incompetence driving this. If Bush had really wanted to bring freedom and democracy to the Middle East, he would have had the patience to build support, truly engage in public diplomacy (not this after-the-fact Karen Hughes tour), and gotten behind something other than a rushed, botched invasion allowing porous borders and the buildup of an insurgency. Civil war, terrorism, and insurgency can last for literally decades in a country, even when there's a stable democracy.

Notice, too, how Bush's agenda included tax cuts for the rich and no health plan for the poor or middle class (save this messy prescription drug program, which looks more and more like a cynical ploy).

Jesus healed people and stood up to the arrogant and powerful. What we're seeing at the White House is something else entirely.

[WiseButAngrySara]

75. Rovian/Machivellian tactics...

Copied from post #73; See also #7. I agree with you.

His 'religion' is all political play, all B.S. He is the total antithesis of any religion, as he has not one iota of integrity, or inkling of ethics, or love for truth.

His pseudo-religion is Rovian Tactics, and it is meant to divert attention from all of his obvious breaches of morality, in part.

Quote from Rove's favorite text: Machiavelli's The Prince

"A prince ought to take care that he never lets anything slip from his lips that is not replete with the qualities of mercy, faith, humanity, righteousness and religion. There is nothing more necessary to appear to have than the quality of religion, inasmuch as men judge generally more by the eye than by the hand, because it belongs to everybody to see you, to few to come in touch with you...
One Prince of the present time...never preaches anything else but peace and good faith, and to both he is most hostile."

[nicknameless]

86. I totally agree with you.

It drives me nuts when I hear people say that * believes that he's doing what God would want him to.
It's complete BS -- political stylings for the benefit of pin-headed sheeple, (those whom Abramoff's associate, Scanlon, referred to as "wackos")

[DistressedAmerican]

2. The Hirsh Story Inspired This...

CREEPY!!!

[Wind Dancer]

5. Yikes, DA!

That is one scary pic!

[Just Me]

8. Ummmm,....disturbing, to say the least.

Mr. Messiah Complex-in-Charge. Damn!!!

[Swamp Rat]

11. Great pic!

[DistressedAmerican]

14. I Know You Love A Good Old School Revivial! PRAISE THE LORD!

I just wish it wasn't taking place in the White House!

[Kadie]

3. I had to leave the room.

I couldn't listen to anymore.

:scared:

[Just Me]

6. Read his book! It's G-O-O-D!!!

Yep. Bush is one sick Mo Fo!!! And he's the freakin' CIC! :scared:

[WiseButAngrySara]

7. KO asked if it was too cynical to believe that B* religion was pure hype

for votes. I don't agree with Hersh or the author of Bush's Brain, and I guess that makes me "cynical." I believe that B*'s religion is every bit as phony and hypocritical as B* is himself. His pseudo-religion is purely political IMHO. There is no way God would be in favor of any war, let alone a preemptive one.

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

9. I'm with you. Cynical vote getting ploy, like the fake Crawford ranch.

[leftchick]

13. He certainly looked like a faker in the video clips

of he and Laura praying all over. That was gross.

[peekaloo]

15. I agree. PBS did a feature on the 2004 Presidential race and it

showed how Bu$h (Rove) astutely picked up on the relevance(ahem) of the religious right. It was pointed out that this was daddy's fatal flaw in his re-election bid for not taking them seriously.

The devil comes in many disguises.

[faithnotgreed]

24. well said peekaloo

purely political driven by all sorts of deep dysfunction

[WiseButAngrySara]

38. PBS did another special on B* and Rove (maybe it's the same one) in

which they disclosed many of Rove's dirty tricks when B* ran for Governor of Texas, and what they did to Ann Richards. They hit the churches and posted pamphlets on the car windshields that stated things like Ann supported Lesbians, and their children would be taught by gays, she supported baby killing (abortion) and all kinds of hideous lies and distortions. Rove's political tricks are so evil I don't know how anyone "Christian" or ethical could even consider voting for B*. Atlantic Monthly had a wonderful article on Rove's Evil Tactics just before last years election. I was literally nauseated after I read it. Christ would have wept.

[peekaloo]

62. Good ol' Ann.

She countered them with humor. There were either bumper stickers or pamphlets her people handed out that said: "I'm the queer here to take away your guns". :-)

Ya know there were whispers that Bu$h stole that election, too. Something about absentee ballots.

[AspenRose]

40. I saw that. Frontline: "Karl Rove: The Architect"

Everyone should see that.

[FreedomAngel82]

16. I'm sure it's phoney too

How come he never talks about his faith to anyone?? Only time he does is when he needs it for a political purpose such as to get a judge on the bench that is friendly towards corporations and his family. When he was asked who he looked up to as a philospher he said "Jesus" and hardly told why. Wouldn't you want to talk more about why? As a Christian I'm comfortable with talking about why I am one and answering any question's. Bush is a pure phoney. Try to find the films "With God on Our Side" and "God in the White House." It's just to gain votes. The republicans can claim to be "pro-family" and "anti-gay" and it'll always get votes. No matter what because too many Christians vote on single issues.

[WiseButAngrySara]

37. I agree with everything you've said. And I'm delighted that so many

responded the same way that we did to the Sy Hersch article and to the comments made by the author of B's Brain. It means I'm not as "cynical" as I thought I was!

I too have noticed the complete absence of discussion of his beliefs which one would expect if they are that important to him. Look at Jimmy Carter, for example. He is, in my mind, a true believer and follower of Christ, and his actions are completely congruent with his speech. He loves the truth. The opposite is true for B*.

[Peace Patriot]

60. "Too many Christians vote on single issues." I dunno.

In 2004, the Dems blew the Repubs away in new voter registration, nearly 60/40. New voters voted overwhelmingly for Kerry. Independent voters voted overwhelmingly for Kerry. Former Nader voters voted overwhelmingly for Kerry. And, of course, Gore 2000 voters--who had actually won the popular vote in 2000---voted overwhelmingly for Kerry, and are the ones who got all their non-voting family members, co-workers and friends to register and vote THIS time because "this is the most important election in our history." (high motivation)

Who else is there? Bush 2000 voters...and?

Karl Rove's and Dick Cheney's "invisible" get-out-the-vote voters? Their campaign "in the churches"? When's the last time you believed anything Karl Rove or Dick Cheney said?

There is no evidence for it.

Kerry won the independent exit polls by 3% (the real exit polls--now admitted by the pollster). The corporate news monopolies doctored their exit poll numbers, on everybody's TV screens, late on election day, in literally impossible ways, to make them 'FIT' the results of Diebold's and ES&S's secret, proprietary programming code.

All other evidence--aside from the doctored exit polls and the 'results' concocted by Bush's buds at Diebold and ES&S--points to a Kerry win. The real exit polls. Pre-election polls, same day polls, post-election polls. Issue polls and approval polls going back two years. (Zogby said Bush's approval ratings were so low going into the election, he couldn't win.) Voter registration figures. Voter turnout (huge--always favors Dems). And there is considerable evidence of tampering with the electronic results (for instance, big discrepancies between electronic votes and paper ballot votes, with electronic always favoring Bush, and astronomical odds against that happening).

And if you add in the massive numbers of Democratic votes that were illegally suppressed by Republican election officials in several states, Kerry likely won by more like 4% to 5%. (The exit polls only count those who made it to the polling booth.)

I think the 'Christian' right vote is largely a phantom. And I challenge anyone to give me NUMBERS or other hard evidence that proves otherwise (not Rovian anecdotes, not the statements of powermongering 'Christian' right leaders, not your possibly exaggerated FEARS derived from some encounter you may have had, or something you heard). Numbers. Evidence. (And not Diebolded evidence--for instance, votes against gay rights in electronic voting systems. What do independent polls or other evidence say?)

I think we have all been snookered by the war profiteering corporate news monopolies, who give the rightwing a Big Trumpet with which to promulgate their views way out of proportion to their numbers. We thus are given the IMPRESSION that our fellow Americans are falling for this crap (Jesus, the warmonger! Jesus, the torturer of prisoners!). I think the truth is that the great majority of Americans have NOT fallen for this crap (63% of Americans oppose torture 'UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES'--May '04), didn't vote to re-elect Bush, and love peace, justice, fairness, tolerance, separation of church and state, and decent government.

The problem is that each one thinks that all the others have gone crazy. We feel isolated and alone, us majority progressives, because of this brainwashing IMPRESSION we get from the corporate media--so brainwashed that many don't even question the election "results," haven't looked into who "counted" our votes or how they were "counted," and are completely unaware of news monopoly falsification of the exit poll data.

New meme: The 'Christian' right is mostly smoke and mirrors.

[Wind Dancer]

63. You have raised some interesting points.

I think the corporate media creates an "art of illusion", so to speak. They're currently fighting this imaginary war on Christmas like so many other false "realities" we experience constantly.

However, I do believe the religious groups have gained enormous power and influence since 2000. Shrub continues to give money to the "faith-based" groups while cutting social programs. More info in this Vanity Fair article:

American "Rapture"
Best-selling author and evangelical leader Tim LaHaye has contacts that extend to the White House. That could spell trouble, since his theology espouses a bloody apocalypse in Israel
By CRAIG UNGER
http://www.vanityfair.com/commentary/content/articles/051128roco02

In certain parts of the country, the fundies have gained power - science and environmental issues are ignored while corporate, religious and governmental policies become intertwined.

I've personally lost several friends to this cult-like religious group in the past few years. They were once caring, open-minded people but have now become angry, bitter and racist believers. The churches give them a "voting guide" while preachers encourage them to believe Shrub was a gift from God. You can't reason with these people.

There's an informative documentary that Link TV aired recently, "God in Government" which I highly recommend. I happen to live in a conservative bible-belt area so I may witness more of the religious dogma.

From the documentary
The film begins and ends in the United States, the only nation founded specifically on the principle of a clear separation between religion and state. Here, the debate over the implications of the First Amendment has continued for more than two hundred years. Today, with a self-proclaimed, “committed Christian” President advocating faith-based initiatives in the welfare system, a vocal Christian right seeking to influence domestic and foreign policy, and an increasingly diverse religious landscape, the debate about the appropriate role of religion in America’s public square has become more urgent than ever.
http://www.godingovernment.org/

I do NOT believe the boyking is religious but uses it as an opiate to the masses who believe he is divine. He's a narcissistic, spoiled man that has possibly developed a messianic complex.

[Talismom]

70. I know that what you're saying is true FDinNC. What I'm

wondering is why no progressive organization has filed reports to the IRS to get these churches disqualified from the normal tax free status that they enjoy. They're not supposed to participate in such activities if they want to keep it. Our public schools and state medical coverage plans could sure use some of those $$$s!

[Wind Dancer]

74. Good question, Talismom.

I think these churches have far more power now that Shrub is in office. The Council for National Policy gets money from the Moonies and other RW leaders. They're batshit crazy on a mission.

From the article:

"The C.N.P. has access to the highest powers in the land. In 1999, George W. Bush courted evangelical support for his presidential candidacy by giving a speech before the council, the transcript of which remains a highly guarded secret. And since the start of his presidency, Falwell says, the C.N.P. has enjoyed regular access to the Oval Office. "Within the council is a smaller group called the Arlington Group," says Falwell. "We talk to each other daily and meet in Washington probably twice a month. We often call the White House and talk to Karl Rove while we are meeting. Everyone takes our calls." According to The Wall Street Journal, two high-ranking Texas judges who spoke to the Arlington Group in October at the suggestion of Karl Rove allegedly assured its members that Supreme Court nominee Harriet Miers would vote to overturn Roe v. Wade."


Recently, charges were filed against a progressive church for being too political. It was a ridiculous claim yet it shows how much power these RW fundies have in the religious arena.

[Ladyhawk]

65. I hope you're right. All I have is anecdotal evidence: I'm completely

surrounded by fundies. Of course, I live in a rural California county and most places that are Fundyvilles are rural, which means they don't have very many people.

Of course, fundies are more vocal than reality-based people, so it increases the likelihood that they are the ones that stand out in memory. Also, remember that the brother owners of DIEBOLD and ES&S are fundies. They would lie and cheat for god, so there is that aspect to consider.

I'd like to see real numbers, but in Bu$hCo's America, I suspect almost every poll. :shrug:

[WiseButAngrySara]

66. These are all excellent points, and I agree with you too. I just wish

that the public was more informed on these election issues, but like you said, until the war-profiteering MSM goes against their own very selfish promotion of B* and Co., most of the public will remain oblivious to the fact that not only was the 2000 selection stolen, so was 2004, ala via all of the mechanisms that you mentioned.

I was on the DU site during election night, and saw the shock on Rather's face and CNN reporter's face (can't recall who it was, maybe Wolf Blitzkrieg) when the exit polls changed suddenly and dramatically. I also saw through the "win on 'moral values'" spin that started immediately post-election.

I do believe that many Christian Fundamentalists vote on single issues, like gay marriage and abortion, but they are by no means the majority. Had the election been honest, and Kerry had won, I doubt that this relatively small faction would have put much of a dent in Kerry's votes.

[blm]

17. I agree - Bush uses religiosity to hide his authoritarian fascism.

.

[MADem]

18. Well, he clearly doesn't talk to Jesus, because if he did, Jesus would

tell him, loud and clear:

[WiseButAngrySara]

39. LOL!

:rofl:

[Don Claybrook]

25. Agree

I've been known to call Bush a religious whackjob, etc. But truly, I don't think he believes a word of it. It's red meat for the rubes he needs to pat on the head every once in awhile in order to keep his job.

[Laelth]

28. I wish you were right.

This quote convinced me you're not. * really is a religious fanatic.

I always laugh when people say that George W. Bush is saying this or that to appease the religious right,” his first cousin John Ellis said. “He is the religious right.”

This is from a member of Bush's family, speaking off the record at a social function, not for the purpose of making * appeal to the voting public. I think it's genuine. I think * really believes he's an agent of God. This makes him doubly dangerous.

:scared:

-Laelth

[Jackpine Radical]

34. I'm with you & with everyone who agreed with your post.

Bush is a dumb narcissist being guided by a smart psychopath (Rove), and the religion schtick is Elmer Gantry as President.

Think of Bush & Poppy on the golf cart telling reporters what they talk about together: "Pussy." Think of Bush's general & obvious mean-spiritedness. Think of the smirk & all that it means. This schmuck is some strait-laced RELIGIOUS freak? Bullshit.

It's been said before, but Sinclair Lewis was totally prescient in his 1938 book It Can't Happen Here.

[SammyWinstonJack]

48. Call me cynical as well.

**'s "religious" BS is exactly that, BS! As you said, it's purely political.

[Marie26]

52. He's not religious, but he's a fanatic

I never quite bought the "religious fundamentalist" Bush. I think it was mostly a tactic Bush & Rove used to get votes & appeal to his base. I doubt Bush personally cares much about, say, gay marriage, but he was willing to exploit the issue to turn out religious conservatives during the 2004 election. A real fundamentalist like Rick Santorium would've jumped at the chance to appoint a religious conservative to the Supreme Court. Bush appointed a corporate crony. Corporate interests seems to be what he really cares about. But what's interesting is that he DOES talk about God often in relation to himself - his destiny, the Iraq War, the war on terror. Even if we don't understand or support him, Bush is confident that God does. In fact, God's beliefs dovetail almost perfectly with what Bush himself wants. This is what makes him scary, IMO. I think a true Christian like Jimmy Carter is always self-examining, to see how well they are following God's will. With Bush, God is always behind him, the ultimate cheerleader; and he is following God's will no matter what he decides to do. This makes him not only sure of himself, but absolutely sure of the rightness of any decision he makes. It doesn't matter if the UN, the Congress, or the people are horrified - Bush always knows God is on his side. If that isn't fanaticism I don't know what is.

[hatrack]

55. Bush is just another Chinese Menu Christian

He's picked the parts he likes - self-righteousness, fanaticism, intolerence and apocalyptic rumblings of doom - and left out everything else.

He's "Christian" in the same sense that Dobson and Robertson are - they've found the bits and pieces of the religion that support and rationalize their drive for power, and that's all they need - and all that matters.

[Im with Rosey]

56. I think this makes the most sense

If you think about it further, many of the "reborn" pick and choose also. That is what makes it possible for most of them to justify their opinions.

[WiseButAngrySara]

69. I like that..."Chinese Menu Christian" Picking the 'parts that they like'

though makes them so confounding that I can't understand how anyone could follow their obvious incongruities...Pro-life, Pro-War, Pro-guns, Pro-death Penalty, Pro-'freedom of speech', Pro-Separation of Church and State, as long as it benefits them financially, but Anti Church and State when they want to use their religious symbols on Government property and in schools, Pro-Christ, but really Pro-Old Testament, and Anti-Christ ("Love one another", "Do unto others", "It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God", "Lay not up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust corrupts", "Blessed are the peacemakers", "Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you", and most appropriately "When you pray, don't be as the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men.")

[Marie26]

81. I guess most people

are not that different from Bush - God supports what they support. It's easier that way.

[glitch]

57. He's weak-minded and brain-damaged enough to start believing his own hype

especially as things go wrong for him.

[KittyWampus]

64. Cynicism would favor Bush and lead AWAY from his insanity

and his lost grip on reality.

Laugh at me if you will, but his astrological chart clearly shows someone who is not mentally functioning in everyday reality.

[WiseButAngrySara]

67. Seriously? I would love to see that. I'm serious. Could you post it?n/t

[tblue37]

72. Bush once told a crony that he hated "those people"--

referring to the Christian Whacko Right.

[ThoughtCriminal]

10. So the question is

Is he a member of a Doomsday Cult, or is he just pandering to a Doomsday Cult. It's like choosing a method for your own execution.

[WiseButAngrySara]

71. I think he's pandering to it for support of Israel, the only 'Democracy'

in the Middle East, and the country who would probably gain most from the Iraq War. Only a few have anything to gain in the U.S., and it is monetary gain for Halliburton et. al. and the Military Industrial Complex. For the rest of us, it is a lose-lose situation, with respect to lost lives, money, increased terrorism and hatred of the U.S., and so on.

[FreedomAngel82]

12. Bush hides behind religion

Just like BinLadin does. Same thing different story.

[ProSense]

19. Because 9/11 happened on Bush's watch

that led him to believe that he was destined by God to be America's leader. So he stole another election, lied about Saddam's link to 9/11, falsified the evidence to start a war and killed a bunch of innocent people in the process because he's righteous.

[FreedomAngel82]

20. If Bush really was religious

he wouldn't be there in the first place. He knew he lost in 2000 and he would've let Gore take the reigns so to speak and been HONEST about it since lying is one of the six deadly sins.

[Jackpine Radical]

35. Oh, but his winning was a MIRACLE!! Don't you get it?

Winning despite not getting enough votes was proof of God's Favor!

[neuvocat]

22. I have to disagree with Hersh on this one.

Bush isn't guided by religion. The radical right started to find out how it was played by Bush after the last election. Bush only cares about what is in this life and therefore only cares about the accumulation of wealth.

When you think about that, it is actually scarier than you might have realized because there really are no morals or ethics that restrain him.

BTW you freepers, how does it feel knowing that Bush thinks Muslims and Christians pray to the same God?

[randomelement]

23. It's like a scene from the movie "Dead Zone"

It sure seems like Bush is playing the same character that Martin Sheen portrayed in the movie Dead Zone (Greg Stillson?!?) - the "I have a vision" psychotic that apparently will plunge the world into a nuclear nightmare if not stopped. The fact that his character is compared to Hitler in the movie says it all .....

[Disturbed]

27. What sort of religion?

The old testament War God one.

Democracy and God

GW Bush keeps saying the Freedom and Democracy is a gift from the Almighty. It is America's duty to spread Democracy. The God of the OT certainly was not in favor of Democracy. God in that part of the bible was proclaiming to be the only God the people were commanded to worship and obey.

"Freedom is not this country's gift to the world. Freedom is the Almighty's gift to every man and woman in this world. And, as the greatest power on the face of the earth, we have an obligation" to carry out the Lord's mission." GW Bush


'I feel like God wants me to run for President. I can't explain it, but I sense my country is going to need me. Something is going to happen... I know it won't be easy on me or my family, but God wants me to do it.' GW Bush

" God told me to strike at al Qaeda and I struck them, and then he instructed me to strike at Saddam < Hussein>, which I did, and now I am determined to solve the problem in the Middle East. If you help me I will act, and if not, the elections will come and I will have to focus on them."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A37944-2003Jun26?language=printer

*GW Bush made this god up because there is no such god in the bible. The one in the bible is a jealous, vengeful god that demands complete obedience and loyalty. This god does not grant freedom to human beings but demands servatude.The god in the bible is a war god and that part of god seems to suit GW Bush just fine.

[H2O Man]

26. "...some scary shit!" ....

Imagine, if you will, a group that is looking to destabilize a government. They know the figurehead "leader" was of a personality type that precluded the ability to ever admit error. He had been a drunk through much of his life, and upon gaining sobriety, had a common experience of a "higher power." Being a tad bit self-centered, this fellow begins to project his own persona onto his "God."

The 2nd in command, who is the real power figure, is a corrupt troll of a man, as repulsive as can be. The group has a conflict primarily with him, and he uses the figurehead to obtain his desired results. However, the instant gratification leads to a sense of ultimate power, and he oversteps. He errs. And the group begins to cut the power out from under him.

This creates serious emotional stress for the figurehead. He has the ability to blame everyone but himself; thus, he blames both the troll and the group. He feels betrayed and attacked. Rather than having the ability to see he might actually be wrong (a building block that most 5-6 year olds master), he projects "God": all who betray him, betray God; all who attack him, attack God.

Not only do those around the figurehead see this, and grow uneasy about it, but that group knew it would happen. That's the kind of thing certain groups can predict without much chance of erring. So they plant a story or two in the media.

The public, meanwhile, knows that the troll brought them into a war, and while they were largely invested in the troll's lies at first, the tide has turned. They see they have been had. That their sons and daughters are dying not for freedom, but for Halliburton. And they see a figurehead that is unable to say, "I was wrong." Instead, he is saying, "This is what God wants."

And when they see that news story about the figurehead being out of touch, the group has won.

[Just Me]

30. "The group" has not yet won 'cause those fraudulent, lyin' sons-a-

bitches are being tracked and identified by REAL patriots. The "rule of law" still has some bite left in it,...by virtue of those who do invest in the basics of a democracy.

Sorry. I don't mean to sound,...uh,...patronizing or whatever. I just have very strong sentiment about those treasonous (yes, I said "treasonous") buttwipes who have defrauded this nation and her people. :hug:

[H2O Man]

31. You do not sound

patronizing. You sound impatient, and you have every right to feel that way. I understand and appreciate that.

[Just Me]

33. Thank you. My patience is tested.

*LOL* I used to admire my strength as a patient person. Now, I have to cling to my strength in being persistent in spite of my newly developed impatience.

:eyes: Oh, well. Such is the life of being human. :7

[upi402]

36. Twilight Zone foreshadowing was apropriate, good "fiction"!

Salvador Dali landscapes sets these characters in this fanatical frenzy of unreality.

I hate them, and I've never hated an entire group of people in my life before. I hate their fucking guts.

[leftchick]

41. "Christian Fascists"

I don't know H2OMan... I can not get this article out of my head since I read it months ago. As I watched KO last night it became more clear. Or so I thought until your post.....

http://www.harpers.org/FeelingTheHate.html

<snip>

I can’t help but recall the words of my ethics professor at Harvard Divinity School, Dr. James Luther Adams, who told us that when we were his age, and he was then close to eighty, we would all be fighting the “Christian fascists.”

He gave us that warning twenty-five years ago, when Pat Robertson and other prominent evangelists began speaking of a new political religion that would direct its efforts at taking control of all major American institutions, including mainstream denominations and the government, so as to transform the United States into a global Christian empire. At the time, it was hard to take such fantastic rhetoric seriously. But fascism, Adams warned, would not return wearing swastikas and brown shirts. Its ideological inheritors would cloak themselves in the language of the Bible; they would come carrying crosses and chanting the Pledge of Allegiance.

Adams had watched American intellectuals and industrialists flirt with fascism in the 1930s. Mussolini’s “Corporatism,” which created an unchecked industrial and business aristocracy, had appealed to many at the time as an effective counterweight to the New Deal. In 1934, Fortune magazine lavished praise on the Italian dictator for his defanging of labor unions and his empowerment of industrialists at the expense of workers. Then as now, Adams said, too many liberals failed to understand the power and allure of evil, and when the radical Christians came, these people would undoubtedly play by the old, polite rules of democracy long after those in power had begun to dismantle the democratic state. Adams had watched German academics fall silent or conform. He knew how desperately people want to believe the comfortable lies told by totalitarian movements, how easily those lies lull moderates into passivity.

[H2O Man]

42. This morning on Imus

two guests discussed how Bush1 has been trying to get "the boys" to talk to his son. The name given, on two segments an hour or so apart, was that of Jack Welch. Bush1 is concerned that his son is only hearing from a very limited circle. Bush2 refuses to speak to the father's friends.

The first guest mentioned that Bush is difficult to approach because of his messiah-isms. He was described as more isolated that LBJ or Nixon. A seed has been planted, and is growing. Watch the president's speech today, and think of the mainstream people, who have just been introduced to the idea that the guy is out of touch with the reality of what is happening in Iraq, and instead is invested in some fantasy that God is his corner man in this fight.

The idea isn't that any one group is going to remove the administration. The goal is to expose the truth about them, so that Americans will take an active role in bringing democracy to the United States. What seemed impossible a year ago today is very possible today.

[leftchick]

45. interesting ...

and hopeful. Americans and Democratic leaders need to take an active role in bringing Democracy to the US.

I will skip the speech and go for a walk because I can not stomach him any longer. I will check out a DU thread later for a re-cap.

[Fovea]

61. Bolshevik vs Menshevik

The problem lies with the fact that the General Jesus Baby Doc can rally the troops on his side for Armageddon. The non-VP party can only muster forces set for self-aggrandizement. They lack the 72 virgin selling point.


Further, the party of God does not respect actual democracy and the term freedom is used to mean theocracy. So when Bush calls for the night of the long knives, they will go to the mats eagerly.

Our ability to show two thirds of the population that General Jesus Baby Doc is whack, only frees the heaven's gate constituency to jihad for God, IMO.

I think we are still teetering on the brink of civil war.

[Nimrod2005]

43. This is soooooo sick, especially in America, WTF happened to

my country?

[BlueEyedSon]

49. Bloodless coup in '2000, dontcha remember?

[BlueEyedSon]

46. Do you doubt Mr. Hersh? It all adds up for me! nt

[WiseButAngrySara]

73. Not for me at all. See # 7 and responses. Hersch's theory about B*

being religious is not correct. His 'religion' is all political play, all B.S. He is the total antithesis of any religion, as he has not one iota of integrity, or inkling of ethics, or love for truth.

His pseudo-religion is Rovian Tactics, and it is meant to divert attention from all of his obvious breaches of morality, in part.

Quote from Rove's favorite text: Machiavelli's The Prince

"A prince ought to take care that he never lets anything slip from his lips that is not replete with the qualities of mercy, faith, humanity, righteousness and religion. There is nothing more necessary to appear to have than the quality of religion, inasmuch as men judge generally more by the eye than by the hand, because it belongs to everybody to see you, to few to come in touch with you...
One Prince of the present time...never preaches anything else but peace and good faith, and to both he is most hostile."

[BlueEyedSon]

77. Just because he believes in some twisted non-Jesus version of

xtianity, doesn't mean he doesn't believe.

[WiseButAngrySara]

79. True! But I don't believe anything B* says he believes. ...n/t

[BlueEyedSon]

80. I think he does (he seems simple-minded enough) but I can see why

you might not!

[WiseButAngrySara]

82. And likewise! I can readilly understand that many people believe that

B* is really 'religous.' But to me, he is so clearly the opposite!

:hi:

[G_j]

47. he doesn't care how many body bags come home

-Hersh

[robbedvoter]

50. "John Kerry will take your bibles, have gays marry" - actual campaign

in 2004. One doesn't have to believe in God to be absolutely sure of himself - simply having been indulged all his life will do the trick. Remember manufacturing reality?


''We're an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And
while you're studying that reality -- judiciously, as you will -- we'll
act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and
that's how things will sort out. We're history's actors . . . and you,
all of you, will be left to just study what we do.''
Bush aide to Ron Suskind

[BlueEyedSon]

51. i like your sig line

[DemonFighterLives]

53. dubby does not act Christian

He always stands up for the criminals, Kenny Boy, Delay, Negroponte etc.
He started his ruthless wars with no care shown for all the dead victims on either side. A real Christian would be bringing the dead home with respect and finding a way to achieve peace and that does not mean another bombing run.

He lies daily. He said he would get to the bottom of the Plamegate scandal and he did nothing but help stonewall it and then stood by the criminal lying Stooge libby.

He did nothing on 9/11 when his fellow citizens were being killed en mass. And he did nothing before that to protect us when he was warned. And he did nothing but stonewall and finally put up Kissinger to study what went wrong after the fact.
:argh:

[Wind Dancer]

76. Yes, he also ignored the warnings of Hurricane Katrina.

This man neglected thousands of American citizens during one of the worst tragedies in our history. As a result, thousands of people lost their lives by a painful death.

What does he do? He immediately announces that all criminals will be prosecuted, no exceptions. Stealing food and water for survival is criminal in his eyes. It's shameful!

He needs to be charged with criminal neglect.

:rant:

[DemonFighterLives]

85. You're rightt

The list of infractions could go on forever. He always chooses to side with evil.
O8)

[Pachamama]

54. Hey Leftchick! What's the referencing story to this? I heard last night

Sy Hersh talking with Sam Seder on the Majority Report and I haven't read his "Up in the Air" article in the New Yorker yet, but he referenced this issue about the religious elements and ofcourse Rove's role in guiding the policies of this administration along with Cheney.

I saw your post and wondered the specifics of KO you were referring to so I could read it...

:hi:

[WiseButAngrySara]

78. Sy Hersch was interviewed by Keith Olberman(KO) last night on Count

Down. There are several DU links on Sy's original article, in which he (IMO incorrectly) portrays B* as a 'religious' man.

[alfredo]

84. Does the 25th amendment cover mental illness?

This is a serious question. bush's mental state has endangered our nation, and he seems to be deteriorating. It's time to ask the hard questions.

[nicknameless]

87. I couldn't disagree with Hersh more.

Dubya's previous minister -- the one he had when he began proposing an invasion of Iraq -- told him that to do so was "against God's laws". The previous Pope was also outspoken against the war and feared that * was the Anti-Christ.

How can an individual profess to be a Christian, but violate so many of the 10 commandments and Jesus' teachings?
He's the hypocrite who's not praying in his closet.
He's the money-changer in the temple.

... It's all political hooey, IMO.