Can you say Civil War - I just watched this video off of Reuters

[stop the bleeding]

Here is a critical observation: in Iraqi army uniforms shoot dead a Sunni tribal leader

click on link for video

Gunmen in Iraqi army uniforms shoot dead a Sunni tribal leader and his sons-Michelle Carlile-Alkhouri - Reuters News



The 70-year old man and his three sons were sleeping when the gunmen entered their home.

The man's daughter said after killing her father and sixteen year-old brother the uniformed men then fired at another brother, ripping off his arm. They then killed another brother who was lying upstairs besides his wife.

SOUNDBITE
WOMAN:
"They killed my father immediately after entering the house, then they walked into the hall and killed my 16-year old brother."


Constitution Smonstitution this place is becoming a powder keg

[Cha]

1. This is all in the name

of religion?

[lostnfound]

3. No, I think it's in the name of power. The quest for political power. nt

[Nomad559]

2. Direct link to video

http://a2.v9186a.c9186.g.vm.akamaistream.net/7/2/9186/v0001/reuters.download.akamai.com/9186/t_assets/20051123/cc53be5e700bdc9547d9f7530474f686bab10a94.asf

[stop the bleeding]

4. thank you!!!! I updated the original post so that it is a direct link now.

:yourock:

[psychopomp]

5. OTOH Sunnis, Shias and the Iraqi President just issued a joint statement

calling for U.S. troops to leave Iraq next year.

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[ConsAreLiars]

7. Is there anything the PNAC gang has NOT done to empower fanaticism?

It seems that Chimpy and his gang of hatemongers and war profiteers have done everything possible to make this world uninhabitable. Maybe they've missed sonething, but bin Laden and that bunch of berserkers would have been a footnote to history if not for the intensive support provided by their ideological twins who have taken power in this country.

As for "playing games like we do," the Iranians and "insurgents" are constrained by a very strict tribal ethic, one that most here do not understand and one I personally cannot accept. A lot of Old Testament "eye for an eye" crap. Those controlling the US state apparatus are not bound by any such moral or ethical limitations, as evidenced by the numbers of innocents killed by each side. One thing is certain, all of the blood being spilled in Iraq is due to the failure of the people of the US to avert the fascist coup that took place in 2000.

(edit to insert a space where needed)

[shadowknows69]

8. At least we won't be helping them

which is prety much what we're doing now.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

9. The house of cards Bush built is crumbling. It's time to go.

[Monkey see Monkey Do]

10. I watched a documentary on Monday -- "Iraq: The Reckoning"

and it drew the following conclusions:

- the South is now a Shiite theocracy, tied to Iran - who have regained a sense of order to the detriment of the promised "freedoms".

- al-Sadr city (was Saddam City) in Bagdhad has been handed over to the Mahdi Army (Muqtada al-Sadr's Militia), who routinely execute people for breaking the laws they have set (Iraqi police & US forces often come across people tied and bound with a gunshot to the back of their head - in one case a woman had been shot in her genitals). The US army (this was confirmed by an army guy) will not arrest Muqtada al-Sadr for fear of the trouble it will cause.

- the constitution is in actuallity a peace treaty between three seperate regions and will be the first step towards an independent Kurdistan

- an assisstant Secretary of State (I think, it may have been an Under-secretary, or similar) said that they were recommending handing power over to the Baathist insurgency becaue the secular Baathists would take on the fundamentalist ('al-Qaeda' type) Sunnis.

How correct all that is it would be hard to say, but it's certainly a depressing picture.

You can watch the documentary via Indybay SF (I don't know what the quality is like):
http://www.indybay.org/news/2005/11/1785055.php

[stop the bleeding]

11. thank you for the link I will watch this later after the dinner and

what not, I will also be adding this to:

News Sources that are Relevant to the Iraq War

located here:

Research Forum

[Monkey see Monkey Do]

13. Cool. It's not exactly toasty Thanksgiving fare though :)

There was also another documentary Tuesday about the "hidden casualities" of the war, namely the injured & maimed (30,000 IIRC) called "America's Secret Shame". I've had a poke around, but can't find an online rip yet.

http://www.channel4.com/news/microsites/A/americas_secret_shame/

One of the most incredible things in it for me was the discovery that people who've lost limbs are being sent back to Iraq. Apparently the Pentagon wants to get 40% of amputees back into the army. I'm all for disabled-rights and the like, but surely once you've made such a physical sacrifice you shouldn't be put in such a position again.

Another documentary last night (which I missed) looked at "extraordinary rendition" / kidnapping and torture of so-called terror suspects. (FYI, it was fronted by Andrew Gilligan - the ex-BBC David Kelly affair journalist.)

http://www.channel4.com/news/microsites/K/kidnap_torture_american_style/index.html
http://www.channel4.com/community/showcards/D/Dispatches_-_Kidnap_and_Torture.html


Anyway, enjoy your dinner!

[the_real_38]

12. this has been going on for a while ...

... there's 'ethnic cleansing' of Sunnis happening in the background by Shias who are pissed off at the bombings of civilians, and it's probably got a pure sectarian motivation as well.