Niger forgery procurer Rocco Martino worked for George H. W. Bush in 80s?

[althecat]

hot off the alternative news wires...

(I know this is madsen but this has a ring of truth to it.... perhaps because it is what I want to beleive..)

http://www.waynemadsenreport.com/



November 22, 2005 -- Italian forger tied to George H. W. Bush. U.S. intelligence sources report that Rocco Martino, the ex-Italian SISMI intelligence agent who is central to the Niger forged yellowcake uranium documents, worked for George H. W. Bush's off-the-books intelligence and financial network in the 1980s. Martino, who has maintained a residence in Luxembourg, is part of a complicated network of individuals who figured prominently in the Iran-Contra affair. They include Michael Ledeen, Manucher Ghorbanifar, Adnan Khashoggi, and other principals of that covert operation that developed into a major scandal for the Reagan administration.
Chicken coming home to roost: U.S. intelligence sources say Niger forgery procurer Rocco Martino worked for George H. W. Bush
Chicken coming home to roost:

U.S. intelligence sources say Niger forgery procurer Rocco Martino worked for George H. W. Bush in the 1980s.

http://www.waynemadsenreport.com/

[althecat]

1. Out googling I found this...Rocco Martino Niger Forgeries Timeline....

Search Google "Rocco+Martino+contra"
http://news.google.com/news?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rls=GGLG%2CGGLG%3A2005-25%2CGGLG%3Aen&tab=wn&scoring=d&q=Rocco+Martino+contra

Rocco Martino Niger Forgeries Timeline....

http://www.indybay.org/news/2005/11/1782577.php

BUT WAIT!...THERE'S MORE!

I have already given you Italy, France, Britain, Iran, Iraq and Niger -- but, just for staying with me, I am going to add two more great all-around knives in the back (two more manipulators of US foreign policy)!

The only person who admits to getting the Niger forgeries through unofficial channels is the Italian espionage soldier-of-fortune Rocco Martino. He's as far back as any one can trace the forgeries. He says he got them in late 2001 from a lady at the embassy. Some have suggested the CIA's Milan chief of station (COS) Robert Seldon Lady, the Rome COS Jeffrey Castelli, or other CIA operatives helped forge the documents or get them to Martino. Are these CIA people the entrepreneurs of the "moneymaking" Niger forgery scheme?

Martino says he delivered the Niger forgeries to the French secret service, whom he was working for then, through a "handler" (French secret-service officer) in Brussels, Belgium.

So in addition to the cutting-edge interveners I already give you, I am now throwing in two more -- CIA and Belgium -- making a grand total of 8! That's 8 great states in one "little bitty" package that have attempted to steer US foreign and domestic policy through the use of the 4 amazing forgeries you see here! A veritable United Nations of meddlers in the vital sovereign affairs of the United States, all in one small article and 4 easy downloads! (The CIA IS effectively a latent sovereign state with a great concentration of power, and that is an incredible menace in itself.)

Now, you would think that be plenty to offer in just one short article -- 8 sovereign states including the CIA to cut a path to war, and 4 easy downloads.

BUT WAIT!...HERE'S MORE

In addition to the foreign kibitzers and the CIA, you have a complete parallel, clandestine government in the United States in addition to the official, Constitutional one you learned about in your formal education. It is a government of back-channels like the Pentagon's Stovepipe, and black ops like the Iran-contra one Oliver North ran under Reagan's nose from the White House basement in the 1980s. America apparently didn't learn its lesson from that. In fact, many of the Iran-contra alumni are back on the job in the Bush administration. For this shadow government, you can add 1 to my tally of 8, or you can add as many back-channels and black ops as can be identified -- and the Niger-forgery history shows there are many.

The New York Times may be "America's paper of record," but is is to the Italian newspaper La Repubblica http://nuralcubicle.blogspot.com/2005/10/berlusconi-behind-fake-yellowcake.html that one must turn to find out about the US back-channels, since Times reporters like Judith Miller are back-channel mediums themselves. (She should still be in jail, in my opinion.)

[althecat]

2. kick... if this is a dupe could someone point me in the right direction.

[althecat]

3. Have started a research thread asking the question...

Did Niger forgery procurer Rocco Martino work for George H. W. Bush in 80s?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_oet&address=358x1272

.... this thread seems determined to sink... please reccommend if you like I would like an answer.

I really think it would be helpful if this allegation were cleared up ASAP.. either he worked with GHWB or he didn't.... if he did then we really need to know.

[DoYouEverWonder]

4. Gee what a small world

Seems this band of thugs all go way back.

[althecat]

5. Yes... a small world indeed.

Hi Doyoueverwonder... :)

Yes... if it is true it is dynamite... and would provide Fitzgerald with an entirely new vein to start mining...

[DoYouEverWonder]

6. Sure looks like the flood gates of hell

have finally opened. There's crap spewing out from everywhere the last few weeks. It's about time, this tinfoil hat I've had to wear the last 5 years is getting heavy.

Hi back to you :hi:

[Monkey see Monkey Do]

7. If Madsen says it, it must be false

[althecat]

8. Hence my request for assistance from the mighty paralell surfing community

:)

[Monkey see Monkey Do]

10. I'm just a curmudgeon

look out for the thread I'm about to start - you'll be interested, I promise.

[althecat]

12. Post a link... if it is in GD it will disappear before you can say boo...

:)

[Monkey see Monkey Do]

13. Secret video intrigue

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x5435393

[AntiFascist]

9. I don't know if this has been covered yet...

http://warrenreports.tpmcafe.com/story/2005/10/30/111254/16


But if the OSP is more deeply involved, Michael Ledeen, who denies any connection with the Niger documents, would have been a logical intermediary in co-ordinating the falsification of the documents and their surfacing, as he was both a Pentagon contractor and was frequently in Italy. He could have easily been assisted by ex-CIA friends from Iran-Contra days, including a former Chief of Station from Rome, who, like Ledeen, was also a consultant for the Pentagon and the Iraqi National Congress. . . .

[althecat]

11. Now that's what we need more of...

Thanks AF....

[AntiFascist]

15. Thanks allthecat....

In case anyone is interested in background on Ledeen and possibly his views on multi-national fascism:

http://www.amconmag.com/06_30_03/feature.html


As Ledeen shows, the Italian fascists expressed their desire “to tear down the old order” (his words from 2002) in terms that are curiously anticipatory of a famous statement in 2003 by the Defense Secretary, Donald Rumsfeld. In 1932, Asvero Gravelli also divided Europe into “old” and “new” when he wrote, in Towards the Fascist International, “Either old Europe or young Europe. Fascism is the gravedigger of old Europe. Now the forces of the Fascist International are rising.” It all sounds rather prophetic.


Then there's this:

http://www.tpmcafe.com/story/2005/10/25/214643/42


One of the more puzzling elements of this case has always been the second memo. The one that wasn't about uranium and, instead, told a ridiculous story about the governments of Niger, Sudan, Iraq, Pakistan, Libya, and Iran forming a coalition called "Global Support" aimed at fighting the western powers.


I recall Bush recently brought up, again, the Islamic conspiracy theory that sounded more encompassing than just al-Quida. Also, there's the LA Times article about the head of the CIA meeting with unsavory types in Libya recently to join in a fight.

[lovuian]

14. OMG!!! this just leads to Poppy Bush OMG!!! Wow could they

be any stupider!!! Cheney really blew it!!!

[Gold Metal Flake]

16. Locking

The source is not considered by DU to be reputable.