The pentagon classified WP as a Chemical Weapon

[Sub Atomic]

So the next time you encounter a screeching neocon spouting the administration line, you can just show them this:

SUMMARY: IRAQ HAS POSSIBLY EMPLOYED PHOSPHOROUS
CHEMICAL
WEAPONS AGAINST THE KURDISH POPULATION IN AREAS ALONG THE
IRAQI-TURKISH-IRANIAN BORDERS. KURDISH RESISTANCE IS LOSING ITS
STRUGGLE AGAINST SADDAM HUSSEIN'S FORCES. KURDISH REBELS AND
REFUGEES' PERSONAL OBSERVATIONS AND PERCEPTIONS ARE PROVIDED.

TEXT: 1. DURING APRIL 1991, THE SOURCE TELEPHONED
BROTHER (SUBSOURCE) < (b)(1) sec 1.3(a)(4) >< (b)(7)(D) >

. DURING THIS PHONE CONVERSATION,
THE SOURCE WAS ABLE TO OBTAIN THE FOLLOWING INFORMATION ON THE
PRESENT SITUATION IN KURDISH AREAS ALONG THE IRAQI-TURKISH-IRANIAN
BORDERS --
A. IRAQ'S POSSIBLE EMPLOYMENT OF PHOSPHOROUS CHEMICAL
WEAPONS -- IN LATE FEBRUARY 1991, FOLLOWING THE COALITION FORCES'
OVERWHELMING VICTORY OVER IRAQ, KURDISH REBELS STEPPED UP THEIR
STRUGGLE AGAINST IRAQI FORCES IN NORTHERN IRAQ. DURING THE BRUTAL
CRACKDOWN THAT FOLLOWED THE KURDISH UPRISING, IRAQI FORCES LOYAL
TO
PRESIDENT SADDAM ((HUSSEIN)) MAY HAVE POSSIBLY USED WHITE
PHOSPHOROUS (WP) CHEMICAL WEAPONS AGAINST KURDISH REBELS AND THE
POPULACE IN ERBIL (GEOCOORD:3412N/04401E) (VICINITY OF IRANIAN
BORDER) AND DOHUK (GEOCOORD:3652N/04301E) (VICINITY OF IRAQI
BORDER) PROVINCES, IRAQ. THE WP CHEMICAL WAS DELIVERED BY
ARTILLERY ROUNDS AND HELICOPTER GUNSHIPS (NO FURTHER INFORMATION
AT
THIS TIME). APPARENTLY, THIS TIME IRAQ DID NOT USE NERVE GAS AS
THEY DID IN 1988, IN HALABJA (GEOCOORD:3511N/04559E), IRAQ,
BECAUSE
THEY WERE AFRAID OF POSSIBLE RETALIATION FROM THE UNITED STATES
(U.S.) LED COALITION. THESE REPORTS OF POSSIBLE WP CHEMICAL WEAPON
ATTACKS SPREAD QUICKLY AMONG THE KURDISH POPULACE IN ERBIL AND
DOHUK. AS A RESULT, HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF KURDS FLED FROM THESE
TWO AREAS AND CROSSED THE IRAQI BORDER INTO TURKEY. IN RESPONSE TO
THIS, TURKISH AUTHORITIES ESTABLISHED SEVERAL REFUGEE CENTERS
ALONG
THE TURKISH-IRAQI BORDER. THE SITUATION OF KURDISH REFUGEES IN
THESE CENTERS IS DESPERATE -- THEY HAVE NO SHELTERS, FOOD, WATER,
AND MEDICAL FACILITIES (NO FURTHER INFORMATION AT THIS TIME).

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[On the Road]

1. Excellent Find!

I was waiting for something like this to really nail the issue.

[tandot]

2. Well...it is only a chemical weapon if somebody else is using it

When the US is using white phosphorous to kill innocent Iraqi civilians - including children - it is just part of the "war on terra" and totally justified.

:sarcasm:

[progressoid]

9. Egggzactly - libruls just dont understand what's at steak hear.

Were fighting evildoers now. Freedom is on the march.

:sarcasm:

[PurpleChez]

21. I think you meant "unnerstan".

Or maybe I'm just a moran.

[PurpleChez]

20. Ah! You have grasped the central truth of the situation---

"It's different when We do it!" So long as "We" means a conservative republican administration. Otherwise, all bets are off. Seriously, though, this is deliciously damning information. One more bit of evidence that these people are monsters.

[Oreo]

3. this is big

kicked and nominated

[texpatriot2004]

4. K & R nm

[NVMojo]

5. WOW, a real WMD!!! Maybe someone will invade us now.

[emald]

6. just goes to show

that the real terrorists live in the white house. * is responsible for gleefully ("bring it on") killing tens of thousands, quite possible many hundred thousands. Our "war" (profiteering scheme) should be on the horrible corporate military structure that engenders death for profit.
WP, lead, depleted uranium, who knows what else, all manufactured and used for profit. Death for profit. Yep, old gw is quite a guy.

[Chicago Democrat]

7. Spread this to Huffington! SCOOP! Kik, nominated

SCOOP!

SCOOP!



Awesome journalism!

[texpatriot2004]

8. So, * is the SAME EVIL MONSTER that Saddam was then. n.t

[leftchick]

10. hey! We have some screeching DUers wh say that WP is not a chemical

weapon!

[ReadTomPaine]

13. Don't hold your breathe for the mea culpas

Some people have real trouble admitting errors, particularly when they view themselves as in a certain light.

[althecat]

11. Someone should write to the State Dept and get it added to Fallujah page

Scoop is reporting this now too...

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0511/S00282.htm

Someone should write to the State Dept and get it added to their Fallujah page.

[althecat]

12. Done...

http://usinfo.state.gov/media/misinformation/misinformation_contact_us.html

Dear Counter Misinformation Editors

RE: http://usinfo.state.gov/media/Archive_Index/Illegal_Weapons_in_Fallujah.html

It seems that A Pentagon Document has now emerged that describes WP as a "Chemical Weapon" when used by Saddam...

See...
http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0511/S00282.htm

This might deserve referencing on the above page.

best regards in soldarity with your search for truth

Alastair Thompson
Scoop.co.nz Co-editor

[Clara T]

14. Thermobaric Explosives were also used in Falluja

But we shouldn't forget that the use of chemical weapons was a war crime within a war crime within a war crime. Both the invasion of Iraq and the assault on Falluja were illegal acts of aggression. Before attacking the city, the marines stopped men "of fighting age" from leaving. Many women and children stayed: the Guardian's correspondent estimated that between 30,000 and 50,000 civilians were left. The marines treated Falluja as if its only inhabitants were fighters. They levelled thousands of buildings, illegally denied access to the Iraqi Red Crescent and, according to the UN's special rapporteur, used "hunger and deprivation of water as a weapon of war against the civilian population".

<snip>

But buried in this hogwash is a grave revelation. An assault weapon the marines were using had been armed with warheads containing "about 35% thermobaric novel explosive (NE) and 65% standard high explosive". They deployed it "to cause the roof to collapse and crush the insurgents fortified inside interior rooms". It was used repeatedly: "The expenditure of explosives clearing houses was enormous."

The marines can scarcely deny that they know what these weapons do. An article published in the Gazette in 2000 details the effects of their use by the Russians in Grozny. Thermobaric, or "fuel-air" weapons, it says, form a cloud of volatile gases or finely powdered explosives. "This cloud is then ignited and the subsequent fireball sears the surrounding area while consuming the oxygen in this area. The lack of oxygen creates an enormous overpressure ... Personnel under the cloud are literally crushed to death. Outside the cloud area, the blast wave travels at some 3,000 metres per second ... As a result, a fuel-air explosive can have the effect of a tactical nuclear weapon without residual radiation ... Those personnel caught directly under the aerosol cloud will die from the flame or overpressure. For those on the periphery of the strike, the injuries can be severe. Burns, broken bones, contusions from flying debris and blindness may result. Further, the crushing injuries from the overpressure can create air embolism within blood vessels, concussions, multiple internal haemorrhages in the liver and spleen, collapsed lungs, rupture of the eardrums and displacement of the eyes from their sockets." It is hard to see how you could use these weapons in Falluja without killing civilians.

This looks to me like a convincing explanation of the damage done to Falluja, a city in which between 30,000 and 50,000 civilians might have been taking refuge. It could also explain the civilian casualties shown in the film. So the question has now widened: is there any crime the coalition forces have not committed in Iraq?

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article11116.htm

[slipslidingaway]

18. Also this article "Marines Quiet About Brutal New Weapon"

http://www.defensetech.org/archives/001944.html

"War is hell. But it’s worse when the Marines bring out their new urban combat weapon, the SMAW-NE. Which may be why they’re not talking about it, much.

This is a version of the standard USMC Shoulder Mounted Assault Weapon but with a new warhead. Described as NE - "Novel Explosive"- it is a thermobaric mixture which ignites the air, producing a shockwave of unparalleled destructive power, especially against buildings.

A post-action report from Iraq describes the effect of the new weapon: "One unit disintegrated a large one-storey masonry type building with one round from 100 meters. They were extremely impressed." Elsewhere it is described by one Marine as "an awesome piece of ordnance."

It proved highly effective in the battle for Fallujah. This from the Marine Corps Gazette, July edition: "SMAW gunners became expert at determining which wall to shoot to cause the roof to collapse and crush the insurgents fortified inside interior rooms."

[FreedomAngel82]

23. This is so horrible

:cry:

[JWS]

15. sick

I hate how easily bushco lies and distorts things so that people don't understand. I doubt the majority of Americans would approve of WP if they read this.

I suppose the word is "obfuscate".

[Goblinmonger]

16. Don't go tossing that word around the freepers;

we would probably see heads explode with them trying to figger it out.

On second thought, use away.

[upi402]

17. did we sell it to saddam?

hmmmm?

[leftchick]

19. most likely

it was probably in rummy's arsenal in his last meeting with saddam.

[Trevelyan]

22. This is a very important find - I sent an email to the State Dept. Misinfo

site - they have an email form that was usable but stated:

Please send questions or information regarding disinformation, misinformation, urban legends, conspiracy theories, or false rumors to [email protected]. We will try to respond to all reasonable requests for information.

Please note that the U.S. laws under which the Bureau of International Information Programs operates allow us to respond to requests from outside the United States only.

I read their pack of lies about not using chemical or illegal weapons in Fallujah or anywhere in Iraq dated 2004 and their supposed debunking of all the newspaper articles written at that time.

The military not only refused to let the Red Crescent in but also the Red Cross and took out the hospitals first to make sure no one could witness the atrocities but with the horrific photos - I don't know if they were given to Segrena or who took them but I remember people reporting they smelled napalm - I think some were International Red Cross at the massacre of Fallujah when American were still reeling from Kerry taking a dive and the very obvious election fraud and the unbelievable theft of ANOTHER "election" but BFEE.