Looking for back alley abortion pictures

[FreedomAngel82]

I'm looking for back alley abortion pictures for an abortion debate I'm in. Love to have some.

[Cleita]

1. See what you can get from the FBI.

There are probably morgue photos from those days.

[FreedomAngel82]

2. None on the internet?

[Cleita]

4. Back in those days cameras, film and developing were

very expensive, so I don't think you will find much on something that everyone had to keep secret to begin with because it was illegal. Better maybe you should try to find some testimonies from those days from women who lived through it or knew women who died from a botched abortion.

Really, there has to be some archives out there that you can access. Try some of the women's rights websites like Emily's List.

[ultraist]

9. True, but those type of photos are suppressed, just as dead soldier photos

"They" don't want the real horrors to be seen.

[HysteryDiagnosis]

3. Interesting link.... fyi

http://college.hmco.com/history/readerscomp/women/html/wh_027600_nuns.htm

By the mid-twentieth century nuns' relative degree of autonomy and professional satisfaction began to fade. The United States was no longer a mission country and the Catholic Church was institutionalized and increasingly mainstream. A watershed for nuns' renewal and rebellion was the Second Vatican Council (1962-65), the century's major gathering of Roman Catholic bishops with the pope. Among other decisions the council told congregations to experiment with (and request Vatican approval for) modernizing their constitutions.

The personal and communal renewal unleashed by Vatican II far exceeded Rome's intent. Starting with abolishing regimented bedtimes and mail censorship, congregations began to question the church's very patriarchy, from wearing habits to the meaning of the obedience vow. By 1982 one-third of sisters no longer wore the habit and many moved out of convents. Professionally, they branched out from the classroom and became involved in everything from college administration to radical antipoverty and social justice work. As they left the convent, more sisters talked explicitly about their own sexuality for the first time; in 1985, two former nuns published Lesbian Nuns: Breaking Silence. Many nuns rejected the idea of subservience to a male hierarchy, reinterpreting their vows as a commitment to the work of God.

Some sisters challenged Vatican authority by supporting the legality of abortion. During the 1980s the National Coalition of American Nuns and the National Assembly of Religious Women opposed efforts to outlaw abortion. In 1983 the Vatican hierarchy drove from her order Sister Agnes Mary Mansour, director of social services for the state of Michigan, because the agency funded abortions. In 1984 two dozen nuns signed a New York Times ad declaring that the Church contains a diversity of legitimate opinions on abortion. The Vatican responded with protracted threats and negotiations, attempting unsuccessfully to silence the signers. Many of the signers continue to speak out on the abortion issue.

The population of U.S. nuns has declined sharply. By 1987 their average age was sixty-two. Even as their numbers dwindle, nuns pose a huge financial challenge to a Church that, in exchange for their virtually free labor, implicitly agreed to support them as they aged. Church authorities estimate that they must raise several billion dollars to support nuns in or approaching retirement.

[FreedomAngel82]

6. Thanks for all the help

[DavidBowman]

5. Sheezus

What do you need those for? Does anyone imagine that "back alley abortion pictures" are pleasant?

By the way, I need some pictures of week-old corpse anuses. Should I look on yahoo?

[FreedomAngel82]

12. Call it a shock and awe effect

I'm debating someone who appears to be a fundie about abortion. They want to end it which isn't going to happen and I'm going to protect Roe V Wade till I die. So I'm trying to shock and awe them. I need to find someway to show this person ending Roe V Wade will cause nothing but more pain.

[DavidBowman]

14. Ah I see.

That's what I imagined.

So... uh... do you know where I can get some pics of week-old corpse anuses?

[philarq]

7. There was one

In the original Whole Earth Book---the one with the black cover--I had it back in themid 70's--and a whole page of information.

It may be worth re-visiting some of the magazines of the roe v. wade era 1972-73. Magazines like the progressive and mother jones to see if there are refs there.

[Cleita]

8. Wow, yes, I forgot about the Whole Earth Book.

That would be a place to look for other places to look.

[Gloria]

13. Yes, that's the one I remember....it was just really upsetting...

Not sanitized at all....a dead victim...

[Bjornsdotter]

15. I forgot all about that

...it would be a great source.

Cheers!

[SoCalDem]

10. You probably won;t find many

The fact that they were illegal made them unphotogenic, and who would dare to have them developed..

Polaroids were available, but the pictures usually turned out crappy and faded aftert a few years..and digital was not available then.

First hand testimony is probably all you'll get..and maybe not even then..Most people do not readily admit to having had an illegal abortion these days.

[MountainLaurel]

11. Google Gerri Santoro

And you should turn up some.

[FreedomAngel82]

16. Oh thank you!

[FreedomAngel82]

17. Anybody offer any advice

on debating a fundie about abortion? I could use any help!

[MountainLaurel]

18. It's almost impossible.

One of the central problems in trying to debate people who know nothing but blind obedience is that wacky things like logic and fact don't make a dent. They've been told that abortion is an evil, that all women who have abortions are sluts and murderers who should have kept their kegs closed, that embryos can scream in the womb. They wouldn't believe the truth if you had a notarized copy from the George Bush himself.

And, of course, there's the pervasive belief that it could never happen to them. Their 14-year-old daughter would never need an abortion, their wives would bravely face death rather than abort an encephalitic fetus. So trying to personalize the debate for them by talking about the 12-year-old foster child impregnated by her father who was found bleeding to death in the bathroom will have no effect.

[calico1]

19. I agree. And I am sure that

on seeing the photo of the dead Santoro they will probably say she had it coming to her for sinning and murdering her baby. These people are dense and incapable of reasoning.

[stepnw1f]

20. Great Idea!!!!

Post em.... we can use it on the fundi a-holes..... Excellent idea!