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mopaul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-18-05 05:49 AM
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so WHAT if some Dems supported the war, now they DON'T, is that O.K.?
Edited on Fri Nov-18-05 05:50 AM by mopaul
is it o.k. to change your mind when you've discovered you were lied to, or is changing your mind a crime now too?
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NMMNG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-18-05 05:52 AM
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1. Changing your mind is not a crime
Particularly if you discover that the reasons for which you originally believed in someting were false. It's better to change your mind to a better opinion than to steadfastly cling to a wrong one just to avoid the appearance of "flip flopping".
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ChairmanAgnostic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-18-05 06:02 AM
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2. We are framing it wrong. To Change one's mind is not wrong, it requires
a rational understanding, an ethical and logical make-up and it requires new data, facts, arguments, or conditions which render the original opinion or decision wrong.

To the contrary, refusing to change one's mind is not a sign of resolute, powerful and smart leadership; it is a sign of mental illness. An inability to process new data, a refusal to take into account changed parameters, and the demand to maintain a certain course of action despite all evidence to the contrary is a sign of concrete ideation - and that is not a pretty picture.

The proper response to "they are changing their minds" is:

a) at least we have a mind that can be changed when the circumstances warrant.
b) Only a fool fails to get from out of the rainstorm
c) Mule-like determination is great for mules; it is a sign of serious mental illness in humans.
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NMMNG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-18-05 06:07 AM
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3. Yeah, what you said!
:thumbsup:
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Todd B Donating Member (809 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-18-05 06:12 AM
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4. Of course it is.
Realizing something is a mistake and *not* changing your mind, that, however, *is* a crime!
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-18-05 06:31 AM
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5. Thinking is not a crime....yet.
Changing one's mind about something is not necessaraily flip flopping.

I welcome everyone to change their mind about supporting the US/UK Occupation of Iraq, escpecially RWingers.
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MoJoWorkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-18-05 06:37 AM
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6. Of course it is ok to change one's mind, however
Edited on Fri Nov-18-05 06:44 AM by MoJoWorkin
there were several who KNEW that BFEE were lying from the beginning. I do NOT trust anyone so naive to "lead" me, because it was easy for me to see they were pushing for war at all costs--damn any little evidence that contradicted them, and damn anyone who stood in their way--and YES that they were lying scumbags. I wanted, and STILL want someone who was not "mislead" in the beginning--someone who stood up to them like Dean, to be MY democratic leader.

I have been an active Democrat since I was 15, and walked door to door for J. F. Kennedy. I was also a volunteer in Sen Carnahan's local office when the Iraq War Resolution came up for a vote. I would fax eloquent letters from constituents (regarding why she should NOT vote for the IWR) to the DC office, with a note at the bottom from me saying that I agreed with this constituent. I BEGGED her NOT to vote for the IWR. She "went along" with the centrist, scared of losing their seat crowd, and SHE LOST HER SEAT. If they had stood up to them then, they still might have gone down, who knows, but people respect and tend to vote for those who will stand for what they believe with conviction--and not those who cave to political expediency.


Hillary, will STILL not own up to her "mistake." I do NOT want her to be the candidate. WE desperately need a person that is NOT DLC!

Oh Yes, I was on the street corner (every weekend )with my anti-Iraq war sign BEFORE the war began. I am not a Rhodes scholar, but I saw thru them. Anyone who didn't, doesn't deserve to be President.
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-18-05 06:44 AM
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7. I'm grateful as all get out that they HAVE changed their minds!!!
I'd be really distressed if they HADN'T!!!
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-18-05 07:16 AM
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8. No. The Son King has made Amurcans perfec t. No errors. No need to learn
Edited on Fri Nov-18-05 07:21 AM by leveymg
or correct our mistakes. Just perfect.

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kstewart33 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-18-05 07:53 AM
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9. Who in the world has not changed their mind at one time or another?
Of course it's okay.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-18-05 08:02 AM
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10. lets shift the talking points. further, bush has done this war with
incompetence. and has not at any point done anything to show that he can manage this war. so regardless of when the war started to go or not, bush has proved that he cannot be successful.

he is...... a miseraBLE failure. and no person can just sit around and watch incompetence and do nothing. no one but bush himself and his supporters. no reasoned person can watch continued failure
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-18-05 08:04 AM
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11. To change one's mind is great.
As long as you are willing to admit that you were wrong previously,

AND THAT PLENTY OF OTHER AMERICANS AND SOME OTHER DEMOCRATS IN CONGRESS WERE RIGHT. THAT YOU ARE COMING TO THIS REALIZATION LATE, AND THAT OTHERS HAVE LED AND ARE LEADING THE WAY. Then you get behind those leaders.
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