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LuckyTheDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-05 09:56 PM
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35% approval?
At what point can we start openly demanding that Bush Cheney resign?

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/11/02/eveningnews/main1005982.shtml

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madeline_con Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-05 09:57 PM
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1. Well, we've been demanding since 2000.
It's gotten us where?
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LuckyTheDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-05 10:00 PM
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6. Impeachment seems unlikely
Even if the Dems get Congress in 2006 (which they might, but I am not counting on that), they might not have the guts to go for a double impeachment unless there is a real, solid drumbeat from the public about getting the demonic duo outta there.

:nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke:
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madeline_con Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-05 10:08 PM
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9. Who's next in line?
How many have to be removed to get to an honest runner up to run the place?
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LuckyTheDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-05 10:11 PM
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10. Hastert is next in line
But, if he were to become POTUS under such circumstances, he would not exactly rich in political capital.
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-05 09:57 PM
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2. I'd say below 20%
Nixon got down to 23% in August of '74, and one poll showed Carter at 21% in the summer of '79.
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LuckyTheDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-05 10:03 PM
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7. Different era
I think one could make a plausible case that 35% during a shooting war is far worse than 21% during a hostage crisis.
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iamjoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-05 09:57 PM
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3. Recall Election
We can't make them resign because they are unpopular, but does the law allow us to recall our President like California recalled their governor?
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-05 09:59 PM
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4. No
But I'd favor putting that in the Constitution , for 2nd term presidents only.
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NNadir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-05 10:00 PM
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5. No.
At this point the best we can hope is for a Democratic Congress and an impeachment.

However, the Repukes may be able to prevent a Democratic Congress by virtue of the fact that they have become expert in fixing elections.
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never_get_over_it Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-05 10:16 PM
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12. It amazes me that so many folks talk of impeachment
Impeachment is the indictment which happens in the house by a majority vote

However removal happens upon conviction in the Senate and requires 2/3rd vote which means 67 Senators have to vote to remove - which means it only takes 33 to vote no - how hard would it be to find 33 repunks to vote against removal. Bush is NEVER NEVER NEVER going to be impeached and removed. We are stuck with both of them until Jan '09 unless there is an indictment and then I think maybe the repunks would have sense enough to make them resign - but then again maybe they wouldn't - these are not the same kind of republicans who forced Nixon to resign.
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NNadir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-05 10:20 PM
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13. You're right. I should have said impeachment and conviction.
I got extra points for this in 5th grade. Now that I'm 5 times older I've gtotten much sloppier.

Bush will not resign. He will need to be convicted.
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never_get_over_it Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-05 10:34 PM
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15. Oh that wasn't really directed at you
it just hit me at the time I read your post - I hear we have to impeach them on radio, see it on the web and I'm pretty sure that folks say he/they need to be impeached that they really mean that he/they need to be removed - and impeachment doesn't get us there and the 2/3rds bar is too high I think.
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NNadir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-05 10:56 PM
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16. Not a problem. Good civics lesson.
When I was in 5th grade, a long time ago, my teacher didn't understand the distinction. At that time we were discussing Andrew Johnson.

We should all know this, having just lived through it as the first symptom that the country was going insane.

Thanks for making the point. It's a good one.
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the_real_38 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-05 10:06 PM
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8. wow - what's amazing is Cheney is down ...
... to 19 percent - that's got to be close to an all-time low for one of the two top positions. That means even the nutjobs are pissed off at him.
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IDemo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-05 10:13 PM
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11. Nixon's approval rating was 27% at this point, according to tonight's MSM
I would have to guess that a certain segment of the population, say 32%, do not bother to factor any current events into their opinion of 'Arbolito' ("Little Bush"), or of the Bushista regime's disastrous impact. These people, paraphrasing from a recent SNL skit, "believe that Adam and Eve rode dinosaurs to church every Sunday".

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Digit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-05 10:27 PM
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14. As President Carter promotes his book, the approval rating will drop more
If you have not listened to what President Carter is saying, you need to. So far, I watched him on Hardball and Larry King Live today.
They must be freaking out in the WH.
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