Anyone Watch Primetime Last Night? (Effing Disgusting, Sick, and SCARY)!!

[maxrandb]

http://abcnews.go.com/Primetime/

What Good Little Nazis these girls are. It's the Olson twins (if the Olson twins were filthy little racist promoting the master race). How in the hell we can still have people like this in America is just beyond me. Doesn't this rise to the level of child abuse?

Oh and this is cute :sarcasm: they call themselves "Prussian Blue"

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"They may look like innocence personified, but pre-teen singers Lamb and Lynx Gaede are part of a terrifying movement speading a message of racism and White Nationalism.

We're proud of being white, we want to keep being white," said Lynx. "We want our people to stay white … we don't want to just be, you know, a big muddle. We just want to preserve our race."

Lynx and Lamb have been nurtured on racist beliefs since birth by their mother April. "They need to have the background to understand why certain things are happening," said April, a stay-at-home mom who no longer lives with the twins' father. "I'm going to give them, give them my opinion just like any, any parent would."

April home-schools the girls, teaching them her own unique perspective on everything from current to historical events. In addition, April's father surrounds the family with symbols of his beliefs — specifically the Nazi swastika. It appears on his belt buckle, on the side of his pick-up truck and he's even registered it as his cattle brand with the Bureau of Livestock Identification.

"Because it's provocative," explains April of the cattle brand, "to him he thinks it's important as a symbol of freedom of speech that he can use it as his cattle brand."

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There's more at the link if you can stomach it. Particularly nasty segment about a violent video game created just for these little brownshirts in training. Features skinheads going through the ghetto killing blacks (who grunt like gorillas).

Bet they vote RepubliKKKan.

[Emit]

1. I happened to catch that by accident

And OMG! I sat in utter disbelief at these pre-teens spouting on about Hitler and "muds" and wanting to "stay white." Honestly, my jaw dropped, literally. Scary, Scary, Scary...indeed.

[notadmblnd]

6. are they afraid of waking up one morning with brown skin?

don't they know.. all they would have to do is take a bath in white milk and chant.... oogga booga dooga dooo.... oogga booga dooga dooo.... oogga booga dooga dooo


from the movie... Watermelon Man.

[kywildcat]

2. My 16 year old watched with me

He was absolutely stunned by the hatred and ignorance. It's too scary for words.

[Atman]

3. Why is it always the HOME SCHOOLERS?

Educating a child is a massive, full-time job, every day. Unless, of course, you leave out the "education" part, and just stick with "indoctrination." Jesus, what a scary story!

[mzteris]

9. NOT ALL HOMESCHOOLERS

are like this.

There are plenty of LIBERAL Homeschoolers!

Please do NOT lump all hs'ers in with these ignorant b*st*rds.

[TallahasseeGrannie]

16. Agreed

I teach in a special school that serves homeschoolers once a week for special needs. I would say that our liberal parents outnumber our fundamentalist parents.

[mzteris]

19. Liberal hs'ers

are usually hs'ing for EDUCATIONAL reasons. Fundies and their ilk are doing it for all the wrong reasons. Therein lies the real difference, I think.

[Atman]

22. I realize it is a generalization, but I'm sorry...the shoe fits too often

I worked with a client a few years ago, who wound up running for the school board in CA. He homeschooled, and also wound up being a nut-case. Certifiable!

The freaks with the 16 kids -- home schooled.

I realize it is a generalization, but I repeat, educating a child is a huge responsibility, and a full-time job. I find it difficult to belief that too many parents have the time and wherewithall to spend 6-8 hours every day on lessons. Not to mention the social interaction children miss out on. The freakazoids mentioned in this story are prime examples. In a normal setting, they'd see how out-of-touch this crazy belief system is. Instead, the have Nazism drilled into their heads all day with no counter balance.

I'm sure you are doing your best in educating your child(ren), assuming the defense of home schooling is coming from there. But I stand by my own experiences, and the incredible number of stories which I read, often not even related to the schooling, that turn out to involve home-schooled children. Home is where the heart is. School is where the books and the learning resources are, and the social interaction, and the real-world experiences.

:hide:

[mzteris]

27. you have more misconceptions

Do you really believe that the average ps'er spends 6-8 hours a day LEARNING????? :rofl:

Think roll call. Changing classes. Lunch. Recess. Settling down from changing classes. Getting ready to change classes. Announcements. Having to wait for everyone to find their book/right page. Listening to the teachers' directions. Listening to them again. Listening to kid ask what does direction mean. Listening to teacher explain the directions given twice already. Doing your work and then waiting waiting waiting for the other kids to finish. Getting in trouble because you're looking out the window, reading a book, writing notes, 'cause you're so frickin' bored out of your mind WAITING for everyone else to do what you did in under 10 minutes. Having teacher explain lesson AGAIN when it becomes apparent that most of class did lesson WRONG and remediation takes place. Tune out permanently....

If you figure there are 6 periods in a day; classes run about 50 minutes, deduct 10 min for BS, that's 40 minutes x 6 periods = 240 minutes instruction time MAXIMUM (and that's not even counting all the other distractions.)

** Not to mention the social interaction children miss out on.**

See my rant in another post in this thread re: that misconception. Completely and totally UNTRUE.

Out of touch with reality - ok - how about CHURCH SCHOOLS. We have lots of right wing "Christian" fundamentalist schools teaching stuff very similar to this cr*p. Private schools that teach elitism. Kids in PS schools - in their homogenous neighborhoods - getting dumb-downed by NCLB standards; and "abstinence only" curriculums being taught in the highschool.

PS is no guarantee that your kid's not getting taught BS.


I homeschool my older son. My daughter graduated PS (though looking back, she probably would have done better at home.) My younger son is currently in 1st grade in a charter Montessori school. I'm not necessarily anti-PS - it depends on the school, really. My older son's needs were not being met by PS and he is doing quite wonderfully well at home. As is most of the kids we hang out with - all of whom HS for educational reasons.

There is a large contingent of hs'ers whose children are gifted and/or learning disabled. The PS's are NOT meeting their needs adequately. Instead, they are teaching to the non-existent "AVERAGE" kid using methodologies that do not resonate with the learning styles of g/ld kids.

Are there lots of people who suck at hs'ing and shouldn't be doing it? Yes. Are there lots of PS teachers who such and shouldn't be doing it? Also yes.

I'm just encouraging you to look beyond your misconceptions and dump the stereotypes. I think you'd be pleasantly surprised by the kids you'd meet if you hung out with us a bit.

[rockymountaindem]

30. Thank YOU!

That needed to be said. Good job.

:toast:

[Atman]

37. "All generalizations are false"

First of all, I believe I stated right off the bat that I knew it was a generalization. I did not lump all HS's together, but you seem to want me to. In fact, this paragraph you posted is one on which I couldn't agree more...

"...how about CHURCH SCHOOLS. We have lots of right wing "Christian" fundamentalist schools teaching stuff very similar to this cr*p. Private schools that teach elitism. Kids in PS schools - in their homogenous neighborhoods - getting dumb-downed by NCLB standards; and "abstinence only" curriculums being taught in the highschool."

And also, on the "generalization" theme. As you've pointed out, there are many different reasons for one to choose to HS their child. A gifted child's educational needs, especially in smaller towns, too often cannot be met in a PS. The same for special needs kids.

But I get the impression from the story about the 16 kids, and this one about the Nazi family, that "gifted" is a label only their parents would apply to them. And for all the wrong reasons.

We even considered HS'ing one of our boys, in the "gifted" category, after moving from a large metro area with 43 schools with various specialized curicula, to a small town with one school. But we realized we simply couldn't do it ourselves. I'm not sure we made the right decision, but please understand, I'm not down on all home schooling out-of-hand. But I think there seem to far too many of these loony stories emerging where the only common demoninator is either fundamental religiousity, homeschooling, or a combination of both.

I congratulate you on your successes with your kids. You apparently have more of "what it takes" in this area than I do.

[mzteris]

39. I'm sorry if

it sounded like I was jumping on you. It's hard to keep names straight in this format for me and I thought you were a different poster with whom I'd already been having discussions.

Some people subscribe to the "all children are gifted" mantra - which is probably true to a certain extent - but not the way I'm using it. The gifted kids I know - including my own - are ones who were identified in PS and removed due to the school's failure to provide adequate instruction.

I'm sorry things didn't work out for you in hs'ing. Sometimes it's just a matter of having the right support group/resources to help you get your bearings, walk you through the process, and offer advice when the going gets rough. Some days you really question, "am I doing the right thing?" - but overall, for some kids/families it IS the right thing.

The causality between the loony right and homeschooling is much like seeing tons of pregnant women and babies when you're expecting, or fastfood joints when you're hungry. You see it if you look for it.

Many people point to stories of abused children who've been hs'ed as "evidence" that all hs'ers are abusers and that "this wouldn't happen if they were in PS!" Of course, then you point out that the vast majority of abused kids ARE in public school, and they tend to go off muttering to themselves. :)

[belle]

45. I'm sure there are. That said, though, if you want to create a mini-cult

the first thing you'd want to do is make sure the little darlings are never exposed to anything that might interfere with your indoctrination--ah, education. Works, too, at least as long as you can keep it up.

[Fla Dem]

63. Thanks for clearing this up. I must admit my perception is that HS'ers

are fundamentalist Christian conservatives or neo-nazis right wing minority haters. I get this impression from the media, both print and television, and from the few HS'ers I've met; Christian Conservatives, not neo-nazis..

Why these groups are spotlighted when writing or producing television stories about HS, I don't know, unless they simply want to feed into the popular belief that already exists. As I no longer have children in school, and haven't for a number of years, I simply would not have known otherwise about the strong participation of liberal families.

Thanks for setting us straight. :blush:

[EstimatedProphet]

12. Because if they were in public school they'd get their asses kicked!

And, if there were apublic school teacher trying to force those beliefs on students they'd be fired immediately.

[belle]

46. Poor kids; it's not their fault their parents are whackjobs. Anyway,

I wouldn't want to be the one to make one of these kids snap. Remember "Carrie?"...

[rkc3]

14. I thought the same thing - especially since we have a RW nutter

at the office. She has five kids, works full-time here, and home schools.

Not sure how she is able to home-school and work full time, but apparently the kids are able to walk on water and each has the stigmata of Christ. (Four of the kids are girls - all are teenagers and none has an interest in boys, only in their projects and activities.)

I might have to ask her if she saw the interview last night and get her thoughts on how it might have set back the general public's view of home-schooling.

[mzteris]

28. If they're teens,

then, no, she shouldn't have to be there.

The fact is HS kids take on more responsibility for themselves and is one reason they're so successful in college and the workplace.

[rkc3]

32. I think you are correct - it sounds like they are tasked with projects

and take care of them on their own. That is something I am perfectly fine with and wish public schools would have more leeway to do.

But I do think she has a younger son and he might be getting lessons from his older sibs.

[mzteris]

34. Depends on the kids

really.

Teaching is just another way of learning. (Montessori method.) :)

My son will be 12 next month and he's pretty self-directed. I think I *could*, if I absolutely had to, let him stay at home if I had to - say - go back to work or something.

He's very self-motivated and, if truth be told, I'm becoming more of a facilitator for him than teacher.

[rkc3]

40. Congrats on the 12 YO. I'm perilously close to 40 and still need

some directions.

I've thought many times about home schooling, but think that since I lack that direction the kids might suffer.

[maxrandb]

15. I missed this part

"But even before that, April had decided that Bakersfield was not "white" enough, so she sold her home, and hopes that she and the girls can find an all-white community in the Pacific Northwest."

Bakersfield is not white enough???

Jesus, Bakersfield reminded me of Pascagoula, Mississippi. Who thinks they'll have a great time in the Pacific Northwest?

[Momgonepostal]

41. There are a lot of Hispanics in Bakersfield

The Central Valley isn't as multi-cultural as someplace like New York City, but if you don't like brown people, you probably wouldn't like it here.

All I can say about the family moving is: Don't let the back door hit ya in the butt!

[ComerPerro]

38. Yes, of course its not all home schoolers. But I know what you mean

And, the answer is:

People like this home school their kids because public schools fill their heads with nonsense, like all people of all colors are equal.

[Momgonepostal]

42. You're right. If you believe your kids need to be isolated...

from the rest of the world, whether it be from other races, other religions, other political beliefs or whatever, homeschooling is probably the easiest way to do that.

Obviously not all homeschoolers choose that route for the reasons above, of course.

[belle]

51. And, they won't make friends or (shudder) love interests w/out

Mother & Father's approval.

[mzteris]

68. or church schools.

or private schools.

Homeschooling is not just for rw fundy whackjobs anymore.

:)

[elehhhhna]

54. Her homeschooling was taped and the best part was her explaining

the fall of Rome: "You get all these people from different places and the country falls apart" (paraphrasing here).


LOL. Stoopid tree, stoopider apples.

Does de-evolution prove evolution?

[Deep13]

4. They sent aid to Katrina victims with race specific instructions.

They only wanted to donate to white people. The boxes ended up in Biloxi with others from their group. According to the story, no one in Biloxi would take them.

[Neocondriac]

5. Another ...

great benefit of home schooling. The brainwashing is so easy!

[texastoast]

7. Hmm. They don't look "really" white to me

I see evidence of peroxide all over the place. Oh, no! What if their mother finds out they aren't "really" blonde? :wow:

[Deep13]

13. Turns out their Dad was Wilt Chamberlain.

:rofl:

[OhioBlue]

66. ROTFLMAO n/t

[Deep13]

8. In fairness to home-schoolers, ...

... it is clear that hate mongers MUST home school their children since most private and state schools try to teach diversity (since, you know, America is diverse). This does not mean home schoolers generally are NAZIs or whatever. I am no fan of that kind of education as it does not allow children to intact with others their own age.

[mzteris]

17. The "socialization" argument, huh?

:rofl:

Hs'ers (not the fundy kind) have more socialization with more diverse ages, sexes (and orientations), groups, religions, situations, and circumstance than the average PS'er who is sitting in a classroom with 30 other kids who are +/- one year age difference, roughly 50/50 M/F (with attendant boy/girl BS!), and usually not very racially diverse.

I really wish people could get that straight. We don't sit at home alone all the time. HS'ing offers more opportunities to get out and explore the real world than sitting in a classroom all day can ever give you.

[crispini]

24. Well, if you take that option when you are homeschooling your kids,

then yes. But many places (here in Texas for example), people who are homeschooling have a lot of latitude over what their kids do. So, if the parents chose NOT to get their kids out and encourage them to interact with diverse people, they could certainly do that.

[Protagoras]

10. Blonde and pretty shouldn't make this MORE scary

just like blonde and pretty shouldn't make us more interested in that one out of 1000 murder cases or missing person cases.

They aren't anything new. They just have faces that some producer wanted to splash around on the TV.

And that makes me as sick as anything coming out of their mouths.

They are nothing new. There was nothing Prime this time either.

That being said...anytime I hear "Home school" I immediately cringe.

[Wind Dancer]

11. This is disgusting!

More from article:

Teaching Hate

Songs like "Sacrifice" — a tribute to Nazi Rudolf Hess, Hitler's deputy Fuhrer — clearly show the effect of the girls' upbringing. The lyrics praise Hess as a "man of peace who wouldn't give up."

"It really breaks my heart to see those two girls spewing out that kind of garbage," said Ted Shaw, civil rights advocate and president of the NAACP's Legal Defense Fund — though Shaw points out that the girls aren't espousing their own opinions but ones they're being taught.

[maxrandb]

21. I Watched it with my Kids and I think they had Nightmares

Not only that...The music really sucked too!

[Wind Dancer]

44. Your kids have every reason to be frightened by these people.

I think these parents are guilty of child abuse by teaching this BS to their kids. I'm a member of the ACLU and a huge advocate for free speech but these sick f**ks are dangerous. I feel so sorry for kids born into a family so full of hatred and insecurities.

[elehhhhna]

56. The Hitler Smiley-Face tee shirts were the kicker for me.

If dressing your kid in THAT isn't child abuse, it's certainly inviting it from other people.

[elehhhhna]

55. They are HORRIBLE singers, and their lyrics are atrocious --

not just content-wise. These gals really, really suck.

[OhioBlue]

67. OMG - They are being taught to idolize

Hess?? This is so freakin' sick..... It is definitely child abuse - mental abuse.

[jojo54]

18. Didn't catch the show, and I'm glad I missed it.

Sounds to me like a movie waiting to happen. The way I look at it, Primetime is adding to their exposure by broadcasting the story about them. Why else would the mother have allowed the story to be written in the first place?

[fasttense]

20. That is one really sick family.

I saw it while surfing. I couldn't believe it at first. I thought it was a joke. Then they interviewed the mother. Then they showed footage of the Father? Grandfather? I shuddered. My 17 year old daughter walked by and couldn't believe it either. Who could want to turn their children into such hate filled little monsters?

Welcome to brush's America. Where it's safe for all racists and bigots to spew their hate.

[Strawman]

23. Maybe I'm not that politically tolerant after all

I've always been a pure civil libertarian more or less, but I'm beginning to think there is no place for shit like that in our society and the State should take kids away from parents like the parents of these girls. I'm finding myself less and less persuaded by slippery slope civil liberties arguments here. I think you can say that Nazis are on the other side of a pretty bright line that provides ample room for a great degree of political liberty. There is no place for political groups who advocate and celebrate genocide and socializing kids with this kind of hate really is a form of child abuse.

Then on the other hand, perhaps the best thing to do with marginal groups like this is just ignore them. But I have a problem with kids being poisoned with that stuff. It makes me sick to see those little girls being taught those things.

[stevietheman]

31. Well, the Nazis are banned in Germany. n/t

n/t

[Wind Dancer]

47. Strawman, it's hard to watch these kids being subjected to such hatred.

Legally, it's not considered child abuse but it will produce a new generation of Nazis, sad to say.

[elehhhhna]

57. Those 2 gals, when they rebel, will have NO PROBLEMO

figuring out which buttons to push.

Payback's a bitch.

[belle]

50. Personally I think there should be laws against stage moms in general

much less pimping out your kids to creepy Nazi pedophiles.

[Child_Of_Isis]

25. stay-at-home mom who no longer lives with the twins' father.

hmmmm.....

[elehhhhna]

58. and no mention of the second husbum moving up north, either.

[porphyrian]

26. Yep, the breeders' kids are finally growing up.

White supremacists have been intentionally producing offspring for years now to just this end. These mothers have been referred to as "breeders," and home schooling is their preferred indoctrination method. I read about them over five years ago somewhere while looking into hate groups in America today. The SPLC has some good information on hate groups, too, but I don't think that's where I saw the article. The SPLC site is here:
http://www.splcenter.org/index.jsp

Look into their Intelligence Report. In fact, here's their map of hate groups across the nation as of 2004:
http://www.splcenter.org/intel/map/hate.jsp

[chat_noir]

29. SPL Center Gaede article

The Gaede Bunch
Neo-Nazi stage mom April Gaede and her singing twins are poised for stardom, of a sort

April Gaede wears a tweed suit the color of wheat, her light brown mullet neatly curled. Her twin daughters, Lynx and Lamb, are clad in matching powder-blue dresses with fuzzy collars, their blond hair in braids, impossibly cute and well aware of it. They stand and sing to a rapt crowd in shrill voices.
If it weren't for the electric guitars on the stage behind them, the flag with the "life rune" symbol on it, and the white-power lyrics, they could be singing hymns in church. Instead, they are entertaining a room full of neo-Nazis.

"Strike force! White survival. Strike force! Yeah," they sing, punctuating each "Strike force!" with miniature sieg heils. Some of the men in the audience return the salute, and when the girls finish, thunderous applause fills the room.

Since joining the neo-Nazi National Alliance in 2001, Gaede and her girls have become prominent ambassadors of hate, thanks in no small part to Gaede's dogged determination to turn her 12-year-olds into racist pop stars.

http://www.splcenter.org/intel/intelreport/article.jsp?aid=539

[porphyrian]

35. Thanks for the link.

The SPLC is an awesome resource for monitoring hate groups.

[bluedawg12]

52. Check out this info. on the grunehilda twinkies

http://www.prussianbluesucks.info/


http://www.prussianbluesucks.info/
Movement Frauds Exposed

[Strangefire]

33. Creepy.

I couldn't believe the girls actually have a CD out. They couldn't carry a tune in any of the "songs" they were singing.

This also made my creepiness meter go off: There was a scene with the girls being driven to a concert by a man whom I believe was referred to as their record producer. He responded to a question about why the girls' music was so popular with his ilk, by saying that it was because they were "attractive preteen girls", with a smirk on his freakin' face.

Now, since the girls' music and voices are obviously crap, I suspect more nefarious motives of the men attending their wannabe concerts, like having the opportunity to eye "attractive PRETEEN girls".

*vomit*

[porphyrian]

36. Yeah, I wouldn't put child porn past them.

Hate groups sometimes fund their operations by selling drugs to all of us impure idiots, so why not child porn? It's not outside of their capabilities anyway.

[tamtam]

43. I noticed that also

When he commented on attractive those girls were my pedophile meter went off. The way he said it with that sneer on his face made me cringe.:puke:

[earth mom]

48. Talk about chilling!

The brainwashing that's been done on those evil twins was frightening! And how they denied that the Nazis killed as many Jews as they did was totally sick and twisted! Shame on them and their f*cked up parents! :puke:

[bluedawg12]

49. I've noticed that the handsomest kids are from mixed parents

I think that in-breeding to create albino-ish kids is not a good adaptation for our planet with decreased ozone and increased UV.

But then, look at the WWII Nazi leadership. Hitler was a putz, Goering was a fat old queen, Goebbles looked cadaveric, and Himmler looked like a school yard lurker.

[XemaSab]

53. If they want to inbreed, who the hell cares?

It's pretty comical to see the toothless, scrawny, cross-eyed specimens that are held up as paragons of the "white race" (whatever that is :crazy:)

From a purely biological standpoint, people with a LOT of diversity in their background are more likely to be healthy than people who are the result of umpteen generations of first-cousin marri--- er, matings.

Also, if they want to move to an enclave in BFE where they can sit around all day doing meth and worshipping Hitler, more power to 'em. I can't stand seeing that s*** in my community.

[Warren DeMontague]

59. Oy Vey. n/t

[Lisa]

60. too bad, kids -- you're already "a big muddle"

All Europeans have African and Asian DNA in them, if you go back far enough. My guess is that they think they're "pure" Nordic/Germanic, but don't realize that people moved around a lot in the ancient world, and even blond blue-eyed Viking types likely have Slavic and Mediterranean intermarriages in their background (with African and Middle Eastern connections).

I bet neither they nor their parents have the guts to submit samples to the National Geographic's "Genographic" mapping project, because that's the type of thing they'd probably find out!

[Lydia Leftcoast]

61. "We want to stay white"?

Somebody trying to give them a race transplant or something? What kind of nonsense is that?

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

62. Are they singing their Nazi songs at GOP fundraisers?

I thought I caught something about them appearing at Republican functions to raise money in that broadcast. Did anyone else hear something to that effect?

[SmileyBoy]

64. Why does this fucking shit still exist in this country???

As a Turkish person, I show great concern to these Neo-Nazi stories. These inbreds would like nothing to kill me and my entire family if they had the choice.

These racists make me sick.

[mitchum]

65. And their music sucks (these little nazibitches sure aren't Wagner)

[madeline_con]

69. Thanks for the reminder, I DVR'ed it.

I'll have to check those two out...