Dem Debate Thread #2

[NashVegas]

getting crowded in there.

[nadinbrzezinski]

1. Dean gave it to Lieberman

Great one

[dean4america]

4. huh>`

did i miss something?

[nadinbrzezinski]

10. He said he woudl not atack a fellow

candidate

[bicentennial_baby]

17. That was Clark

Not Dean

[VermontDem2004]

27. I disagree with Clark

Lieberman wasn't attacking him, he told the truth, said he wasn't consistent and gave facts by saying he praised the Bush admin. would of voted for the Iraq War Resolution, etc. But this is a debate, not a Forum, a debate means an argument.

[darknemus]

Agreed

Kucinich up now. Pushing 'UN in, US out' in Iraq.

-darknemus

[MissB]

2. Kuchinich giving his clear solution to getting us out of Iraq

Woodruff didn't interrupt him at least.

[NashVegas]

3. Kucinich

vowing to vote against the $87 billion

Leiberman: "wes clark, welcome to the democratic campaign"

[Dudley_DUright]

5. Thanks

Dennis K made some excellent points about Iraq.

[MissB]

6. Lieberman

I have to say it. The man sounds like he is constipated. I can't even get past that to hear what his message is.

[Avalux]

7. Lieberman

just said he'd support any one of the 8 other candidates to get rid of Shrub.

[TheDonkey]

8. Liberman is ABB!!! Go him! Just announced it

[realFedUp]

19. What's ABB?

I didn't get the memo. :-)

[Padraig18]

28. Anybody but Bush n/t

[realFedUp]

9. Kerry seems to bring up stuff that is petty and divisive

I don't think he really operates this way...maybe
bad advice from his aides.

[Skwmom]

12. It seemed that Kerry was kind of smirking as Clark was talking.

I used to like Kerry but not anymore.

[TheDonkey]

16. Kerry's last comments were not v. powerful I agree

He needs to charge up again because now he just seems bitter in these rebuttals. But maybe it's because no one gives him a question directly yet.

[realFedUp]

Bowing to Rev. Al

He sure cuts through it.

[roughsatori]

69. I Love him tonight: Go AL NT

[Terwilliger]

11. Greenfield bringing up middle-class antipathy toward Dems

Sharpton answering well

[Jawja]

21. Gephardt

is good tonight. Talking about leading the fight for the Clinton economic program.

"We get this. We know how to do this. They do not. If you want to live like a Republican, vote for the Democrats...."

Awesome.

[proud patriot]

13. Link to thread 1

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=506713

[madaboutharry]

14. This debate is beginning to remind

me of a lunch room food fight. JEEZ.

[0rganism]

34. freedom fries flying everywhere!

This is the funniest excuse for a debate I've ever seen.

[Terwilliger]

15. Sharpton extolling middle-class record under Clinton

[darknemus]

Gephardt gets off a great line

'If you want to live like a Republican, then you vote for the Democrats'

-darknemus

[Wwagsthedog]

18. Why is Clark getting so much floor time?

Personally, I'm still in the process of choosing but it sure seems that the first half of the "debate" has been half Clark. Sharpton had to gig the moderator to get his share of time.

[AP]

Does anyone have a stop watch running?

[StephNW4Clark]

29. Apparently, because everyone is attacking him

especially the moderators.

[Jawja]

36. Edwards

"gut level connection..." with the people.

Tax cut for millionaires, President is shifting tax burden to the middle class...

Why doesn't Woodruff just shut up and let them talk?

"But! But! But! But..." Woodruff

[topdog08]

44. Clark just keep digging himself deeper.

Clark needs to learn when to keep his mouth shut. He brought up the Republican fund raiser ON HIS OWN! What was he thinking????????

[bicentennial_baby]

56. Uh no

It was asked about in the question...

[Bertrand]

20. Woah. It's Get Clark

Let's see how this pans out.

[MissB]

22. Sharpton talking about how to get democratic message to the middle class

Middle class were able to buy more homes, send kids to college under Clinton.

Woodruff following up with Gephardt. do you agree? Gephardt talks about how they passed legislation in (93?).

didn't quite get his big applause line. Hard to type and listen.

[Sean Reynolds]

23. They're ignoring Edwards......

[Sean Reynolds]

32. nm - up now.......

Middle Class needs a messenger and a message they understand....

[AP]

40. must...not...let...best candidate...talk

Maybe if they close their eyes, CNN can just pretend he's not even there.

[VermontDem2004]

41. No they aren't

the first question by the CNN Anaylyst was directed to Edwards.

[FlashHarry]

24. Great line from Gephardt!

"If you want to live like a Republican, you've got to vote with the Democrats."

[LEW]

38. Best Sound Bite

Great slogan...........

If you want to live like the republicans than vote for the Democrats!!!

[roughsatori]

64. I can't believe I am saying this: Gephardt sounds GREAT tonight

I like much of what he is saying.

[VermontDem2004]

87. You must not be paying attention

Because he has sounded MUCH better then this, he is not peforming his best but he is doing good.

[Papa]

25. Greenfield says that polls show middle class dont hold liberal values

I thought the polls consistently showed that the public agrees with the liberal values more than convservative...as long it's not labled "liberal" values.

[realFedUp]

26. Yeah, making Clark go over old material..

but he came in late and he needs to do this
cleanup and catchup.

[FlashHarry]

30. Dean's gotta be loving this.

Clark's taking all the heat. Poor guy.

[sfecap]

Someone tell Gep what year it is...

...nobody cares about 1993.

[SweetZombieJesus]

31. Gep's got some really great writers, I must admit

"If you want to live like a Republican, you have to vote for Democrats".

Great line.

[DemPopulist]

75. Old Truman line

Clinton used it at the 2000 convention

[TheDonkey]

33. This is a real debate, and not annoying like FOX's debate. (nt)

[0rganism]

45. Disagree. Debates are structured, this is waaay freeform.

It may be less annoying than what you saw on Fox, but it's not a debate. I don't know what they call it, but it's not a debate.

[VermontDem2004]

52. Yes it is

Maybe you prefer a Forum but this is by far the best debate I seen so far.

[TheDonkey]

70. Let's just call is a free-for-all. Regardless it is much more interestin

to see how they respond to the pressure and to have to identify themselves as individuals.

[TheDonkey]

54. Has Kerry been given a single answer?

I've heard him speak as rebutals but never the first to answer a question?

[realFedUp]

35. Well, these guys are energized.

Go Dems!

[Jawja]

Dean not getting a lot of time...

more like a free for all.

Greenfield "it's on values that voters have left the Democratic Party.... would you concede or acknowledge that there is something that the Dems are saying or doing that turns the voters off to your party?"

Have I said tonight that I HATE Jeff Greenfield??"

[StephNW4Clark]

63. Given the crap that is the debate...

...that may be a good thing.

[VermontDem2004]

76. Dean is getting a hell lot of a time

I like Jeff Greenfield, he is asking tough questions, I hate the other soft question debates in the past.

[dean4america]

37. edwards is looking the best so far

is staying above the fray quite nicely...

[StephNW4Clark]

42. I like Edwards (really) but...

...staying about the fray is easy when you're not being attacked. Similar to how other candidates gave Clark an easy time at the last debate.

[MissB]

39. Edwards is almost too nice to not let Woodruff interrupt him.

Almost. He's getting in his point that putting money in the pockets of the people at the top does not help the middle class.

[MissB]

43. Braun just butted in after Edwards stopped talking

Good for her. A good way to get your time. Demand it.

[0rganism]

53. Damn straight!

If the moderators will not give her respect, at least she will respect herself.

[AP]

58. last time E&B got the least time. I'd like to think they agreed they shoul

talk immediately after one another.

[Renew Deal]

46. Our candidates rock.

:yourock:

[dean4america]

47. Braun

it's time to step aside now...

btw, what poll is Greenfield quoting from?

[darknemus]

Kind of silly observation..

But she's the only one sitting down in her chair behind the podium. Not the brightest move being the only woman up there. She needs to 'stand equal' so to speak.

-darknemus

[dean4america]

68. gep just lost it

he says dems stood up for themselves in the clinton administration...

but what about the last 5 years dick? where the hell have they been since then?

[Frederic Bastiat]

48. Clark is the percieved frontrunner-- taking all the hits!!

Where's Dean?

[StephNW4Clark]

51. Let's hope...

...he stays the front-runner :)

[SweetZombieJesus]

49. Greenfield is fucking full of shit man

REPUBLICAN LITE IS WHAT DROVE THEM AWAY, YOU TWIT!

[Jawja]

67. Totally ignoring the fact that

Al Gore got the most votes!!! I get so DAMNED tired of the "liberal media" saying that Democrats don't share mainstream values with the public. That is simply NOT true. :mad:

[LEW]

81. How many times is Dean

going to toot his own horn that he has raised more money, ok we know that, but what are you going to do??????

[Cha]

106. I don't see anyone else up there "tootin'" it for him!

[hedda_foil]

50. Does anybody have any idea what poll Greenfield is talking about?

[FlashHarry]

62. I believe it's the poll Greenfield's sitting on.

You can't see too much of it, because it's up his ass.

[SweetZombieJesus]

71. It's called "The Bullshit Poll"

I remember Greenfield once said he idolized RFK. What a lying douche bag.

[KharmaTrain]

O'Reilly also claims RFK his idol

After I heard that an earthquake was reported at Arlington National Cemetery.

[DemPopulist]

92. I'm guessing it's the Mark Penn poll a few months back

The DLC/Lieberman pollster :eyes:

[KharmaTrain]

55. Is This A Debate or a Greenfield Lecture?

They should put a stop watch on his "questions".

[realFedUp]

57. Why not as many Dems in Congress to Gebhardt...

Gebhardt says "we're doing really good"
Making a case for picking up more Dem governors etc.
and proven that Dems do reflect the values of the
American people....

[MissB]

59. Greenfield pounding on the why Democrats are losing votes question

Gee, is this his "say it enough times and it'll be true" tactic? This is the second question on this from Greenfield.

The candidates should give a short answer, then move on. Refute it. It isn't true. Quit trying to explain it.

[realFedUp]

65. Geb's not doing well on this one...

I guess coz he was House minority whip...

[NashVegas]

73. Howard's turn

"because we aren't standing up"

[minkyboodle]

60. Greenfield

Jesus his questions are annoying. He's got to point out twice that the democratic party doesn't have the right "values" for the american people...... Who gets to choose the questions for these things.
Scott

[Cha]

86. The "right values"? I'll match up the Values of the Dems against

the values of the bushwhacked cabal any day of the year.

[NashVegas]

61. Greenfield - what a dick!

He's trying to put them on the defensive about the Democratic party.

[Renew Deal]

66. Gep just bitch slapped Dean on Medicare.

[Jawja]

74. I'm remembering clearly now

why I stopped watching CNN.

Great line from Dean about being McGovern and then being Gingrich.

[Renew Deal]

83. I agree.

[darknemus]

84. Excellent Howard Dean line

"This time, the person with the most votes is going to win" - then Judy 'I'm a nasty pissy bitch' Woodruff raised her hand in disgust to the audience as they applauded.. evil wench

-darknemus

[realFedUp]

72. Dean's gotta get some new lines...

Get in the Daily Show writers..

[in_cog_ni_to]

77. Greenfield is a real ASS tonight!

Our values are 100 times better than repukes! :grr:

[Jawja]

85. Great for Dean to

remind Greenfield that Al Gore DID get the most votes. Too bad that Lieberman can't use it because he stabbed Gore in the back in Florida over the military absentee ballots.

[Terwilliger]

78. Dean is pretty good on his feet

[TheDonkey]

79. Dean was getting red and puffed up!!!

I was a little worried he was going to flip but he came back with a good zinger.

[FlashHarry]

80. Dean hits a home run!

This time, the person with the most votes is gonna win!

[MissB]

89. Yes, big applause for that one.

Way to go, Dean.

[MissB]

82. A good question for Dean.

First time I've seen Dean even somewhat on fire during the debates. (And I like Dean)

Woodruff now asking the same damned question of Lieberman. Dang. don't fall for it, guys and gals.

[Jawja]

94. Lieberman attacking

Hollywood.

Give it rest, Joe!!

:puke: :puke:

[Cha]

96. It's like our DEms are in the Lion Den!

Go Dems!

[chimpymustgo]

98. Dean is horribly low on likeability.

Smug, arrogant - please folks, get a candidate people can not only agree with, but LIKE.

[Cha]

110. You're wrong about Dean ...you always have been....

We like him and we love him!

[w13rd0]

102. I am so glad I'm not watching this real-time...

...because I just couldn't handle the boiling of my blood...

must resist...must resists...oh dang...

nope, couldn't do it, tuning back in. i just need to get higher or something. GOD DAMMIT! I've tuned in for 10 seconds, and Judy is already interrupting...

GO AL! He TOTALLY put Judy in her place!

[Woodstock]

88. Dean rocked! The crowd was with him

"This isn't about changing presidents, it's about changing the country."

And I liked when he said "The American people aren't as dumb as Washington thinks WE are." (he's one of us.)


Now LIEberman tries to use Al Gore to get ahead again. EARTH TO LIEBERMAN: You are not Al Gore. Al Gore won the election in 2000, NOT YOU.

[Renew Deal]

90. Judy keeps cutting people off.

[Woodstock]

100. She is incredibly annoying

This isn't Crossfire.

[Name removed]

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[bicentennial_baby]

95. LOL

My fiancee just said "So, he's for war, but he's against Mortal Combat?"

[SweetZombieJesus]

107. See what I mean? What an ass

Ah frig, this is what I get for not paying attention to the new rules.

Man, Gep is really frothing at the mouth.

[dean4america]

damn straight.

.

[hedda_foil]

108. Lieberman: Vote for me. I'm the Jewish George Bush.

What a puke.

[realFedUp]

93. Judy asks Joe about anger in CA that may translate elsewhere

Judy says outsiders in this race are picking up steam.

[soleft]

97. Joe is painful to watch

[Jawja]

104. Gephardt

doing very well tonight. Telling it like it is.

Talking about the "tough economic" plan.

[TheDonkey]

99. Hello? There is a senator Kerry standing up there?

[dean4america]

105. yeah, he's getting screwed tonight

unfortunately

[MissB]

101. Woodruff talking about Schwartzenneger

Is Washington a liability?

What do you make of this voter dissent?

Lieberman gets to answer.

Lieberman thinks that being from Washington is good. Got to rebuild the trust in the White House. Politics of personal destruction and decieving the american people.

Woodruff to Gephardt. What do you make of the voter unhappiness? Gephardt- people are unhappy with George Bush.

[realFedUp]

103. Zombie...watch your language...

sorry I had to bleep that.

[FlashHarry]

111. Language aside, he made a great point.

How can Lieberman complain about violent movies when he voted for a war in which real people are dying every day.

[Jawja]

112. Sharpton

"You talkin' Judy like George Bush won! He didn't WIN! He didn't WIN!"

Go AL!! :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce:

[SweetZombieJesus]

113. Yeah, I know, but Jesus

Whining about violent movies when he voted to send our kids off to die for Bush's oil war.

[proud patriot]

109. Here is thread #3

please continue Discussion here:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=507190

proud patriot
DU Moderator

[CoffeePlease1947]

114. Judy Woodruf is being a little !@#$%

Interupting people in mid sentence, asking a question and then not letting them finish the answer, then saying, not time to finish.

If the candidate doesn't have time to finish one question, she should not ask 15 question while they are trying to answer the first.

She was rude to Gephardt, Clark, Kerry and Sharpton.

At least Sharpton said something to her.

Mike