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KLF44 Donating Member (163 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-05 05:51 PM
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Bird Flu - what do you think will be the rules of who get the shots first?
I bet that it will be that everybody that works for the government will get if first and if there is any left then whoever has the most money can buy get the shot.
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-05 05:55 PM
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1. I think the whole thing is a fraud and the opposite will happen.
The public will be forced to take these shots, and suffer the unforeseen consequences,
Big pharma is going to make lots of money off the forced vaccinations,.
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Skink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-05 05:57 PM
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2. Last years Flu vaccine shortage was a test run...
to messure the Hysteria.
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-05 07:33 PM
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13. Right. A fraud. Sure, whatever you say.
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TallahasseeGrannie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-05 05:58 PM
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3. I would hope
first responders and medical personnel first. Then the elderly and very young, then teachers and hospital employees.
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Silverhair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-05 05:59 PM
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4. There isn't any vaccine yet.
Furthermore, there may not be. A vaccine for Avian Flu can not be made until it mutates into it's easily contagious human to human form. If it mutates into a highly contagious form, it could be here in epidemic form months before a vaccine is ready for even the first person.

The problem with flu vaccine is that flu continually mutates quickly and there are different strains. You can be vaccinated against one strain and catch another. The Avian Flu could mutate again into to a second different strain and the vaccine would be useless against the new one.

The first part of the problem is NOT political - it is the nature of the flu virus itself.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-05 06:18 PM
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8. Is oseltamivir phosphate completely ineffective?
Edited on Sat Oct-08-05 06:18 PM by TahitiNut
Furthermore, I'm wondering whether a preliminary vaccine derived from H5N1 wouldn't have some level of efficacy.

A virus that's cross-species communicable in avian species and communicable to humans sure shouldn't take long to become transmittable between members of one species: us.
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Silverhair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-05 07:41 PM
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14. Hell if I know.
I have no idea what that stuff is. What I know is what I have researched on the web and by reading about the 1918 flu.
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-05 07:27 PM
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11. There is a vaccine, but they are not able to make enough of it
in time to head off a pandemic.
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-05 07:50 PM
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15. Sorry, but no. There is NO current vaccine that can be used....
...against the version of Avian Flu that can be easily passed human-to-human. That's because, as far as we know, that highly infectious version does not yet exist...but it's getting there.
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-05 07:57 PM
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16. I could SWEAR that they have a vaccine that will protect against
H5N1, thought I read about it either in a weekly newsmagazine or maybe Smithsonian or National Geographic or LA Times in the past week or so. I could SWEAR.
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-05 08:07 PM
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17. HA HA HA, gotcha! Google "H5N1 vaccine". There IS.
Edited on Sat Oct-08-05 08:09 PM by kestrel91316
http://www.stjude.org/media/0,2561,453_2137_4638,00.html

http://www.hhs.gov/ophep/bioshield/avianinfluenza.html

http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=104&STORY=/www/story/04-25-2003/0001934012&EDATE=

http://www.rense.com/general63/ffbi.htm

http://www.news-medical.net/?id=8685

I could go on but I am tired of copying and pasting. There IS a vaccine for H5N1. It DOES protect. It IS in development/early production.

If the virus mutates slightly, this may affect vaccine efficacy to some extent, but it will not make the vaccine useless. The critical part is that it protects against HEMAGGLUTININ 5 and NEURAMINIDASE 1. These are the important antigens to acquire immunity to.

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sam sarrha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-05 06:06 PM
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5. utility workers, truck drivers and medical personel, Poor are last again
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KenCarson Donating Member (170 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-05 06:11 PM
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7. are you saying those people are NOT part of the poor?
just because they have jobs
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Xithras Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-05 06:09 PM
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6. You assume there will be a vaccine.
There's never a gurantee that there will be a vaccine for any disease. We assume there will be because previous strains have had vaccines, but that's only because the flu virus is relatively weak. There's no way to know if we'd even be able to create a vaccine for a more powerful strain.
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-05 06:21 PM
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9. People in health care should get them first, followed by
the old, the infirmed, the young and their mothers.
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ayeshahaqqiqa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-05 07:13 PM
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10. I bet my doctor finds an alternative
to getting a shot. I'll ask her what to recommend when I see her tomorrow.
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-05 07:31 PM
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12. Workers in human healthcare and first responders should get
first dibs. Utility workers and essential government personnel next (yes, I DO want Congress and SCOTUS and WH officials vaccinated). Public health/epidemiology personnel and nuclear power plant staff also come to mind. I am afraid that they will put us veterinarians quite low on the priority list, forgetting that we are part of Public Health.
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