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OrlandoGator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-05 05:45 PM
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I'll never understand why "conservatives" hate Bill Clinton so much.
After all, he was by far the most conservative president of the last 50 years.

And if reckless spending makes one a "liberal"...well, nobody's ever going to beat Dubya.
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TallahasseeGrannie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-05 05:46 PM
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1. I don't either
And I would bet money a number of them are looking back fondly to the 90's.
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funflower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-05 05:47 PM
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2. Most conservative? Are you forgetting, um, George W. Bush?
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Pepperbelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-05 05:49 PM
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3. You say the most conservative in 50 years?
Are you nuts?

Unless you have some definition of conservative outside of the con movement, that was an incredibly non-reality-based statement.
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OrlandoGator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-05 05:51 PM
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7. I'm using the real definition of the word conservative.
Neocons are not conservatives by any stretch of the imagination.
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Pepperbelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-05 05:58 PM
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16. what might that real def be?
Just so we know what specifically you are talking about.
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OrlandoGator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-05 06:00 PM
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17. Those who conserve. nt
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-05 05:50 PM
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4. He was a smart poor boy who made good. Not "one of them"
Their plan was to have Poppy continue his reign and continue the Neocon plan. They were madder than a spurned lover. Clinton's victory really, really pissed them off.
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cally Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-05 06:06 PM
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20. Yep...he wasn't one of them
and put them all to shame. He was everything they looked down on and yet he was better than they were.
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alphafemale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-05 09:39 PM
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35. This is it. + the "Hate Radio" factor. Had it not been for that non-stop.
I don't think average republicans would have hated him.

People were trained to hate him.
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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-05 05:50 PM
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5. Because he delayed their agenda by 8 years. nt
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HereSince1628 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-05 05:55 PM
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13. I think you could win with that entry
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suziedemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-05 05:51 PM
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6. He was too smart. Too competent. Too good with the ladies. eom.
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Syncronaut Seven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-05 05:52 PM
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8. Because they were told to
Isn't that enough? If you can't get behind an agenda of seething hatered why don't you go live in Russia or China or FRANCE!!!!!

What's wrong with you?
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Coastie for Truth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-05 05:52 PM
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9. He epitomized "The Sixties"
Long hair
Sax Player
Liberal
Had 2-S deferments (those are only for preppies)
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Quixote1818 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-05 05:52 PM
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10. They hate him because he was popular and did a great job
That irritates the crap out of them! That he raised taxes on the rich and the economy took off. Clinton showed that everything conservatives believed about economics was wrong. That drives them nuts.

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OrlandoGator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-05 05:53 PM
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11. Heh...I'm starting to think that's it.
I think they just hate success in general. It's an manifestation of the numerous failures in their own lives, and the hate it has generated.
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Fox Mulder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-05 05:54 PM
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12. I was just going to type something like that.
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Carla in Ca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-05 11:34 PM
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39. America was strong and proud because of Clinton
The repugs had to throw the mud until it stuck or they knew they would be forever irrelevent. They love the mud, they like to play dirty.
This is a post from last week. I deleted the pic of *.


President Clinton in prayer with Katrina survivors

I'm not going to say anything here that you don't already know and believe or, at least, have heard before. I feel compelled at this time to put into words what has been in my heart for such a very long time.

There is so much going on in the world right now, as reflected here, in our world, the DU community. Something new every minute, every day.
We laugh, we cry, we get angry, we console each other. We feed each other as we gain knowledge from what each of us shares.

Look at these two pictures and tell me you honestly do not understand why President Clinton was impeached. Why the years of endless, evil, relentless assault.

It takes a village to make a happy and prosperous country. It takes a village idiot to make a country divided with just a few reaping any of it's benefits, or giving anything back.
I miss President Clinton. My heart aches for what Gore or Kerry could and would have done to continue his legacy of inclusion of all those who would contribute and work hard because they could. And a helping hand to those that could not.

The neocon agenda is self-serving. It is selfish. It is divisive. It is merciless. And, it is in deficit. It is a beast that is consuming our greatness.

We Democrats, we progressives, are his legacy, too. We, together, can get our country back. The Nazi's '1000-year' reign lasted only twelve years because, finally, the sword of freedom was drawn and raised and the beast was no more.



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Tactical Progressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-05 05:57 PM
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14. Because that's what they do: hate
They just need someone to tell them who to hate.

Clinton did right by them and every American. They could care less.

That's why it doesn't make any sense, or any difference, who we put up against them. They hate based on nothing.
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-05 05:57 PM
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15. Daddy Bush was to be the beginning of the PNAC agenda and Bill
royally screwed that up. They warned Bill Clinton PRIOR to his announcement that he would run for prez, that if he ran, his life would be miserable. Then he WON...OMG. They just couldn't deal with the fact that their agenda would be postponed for AT LEAST 4 years and THEN he made that 8 years. Tsk, tsk, tsk. They just couldn't handle that postponement of their agenda. They went ballistic. :bounce:
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-05 06:37 PM
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24. this sounds most likely
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TransitJohn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-05 10:10 PM
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36. Then they made damn sure
that NO MORE delay in the encactment of their agenda would happen in 2000, nor in 2004. Who's gonna "carry their torch" in '08? :shudder:
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OrlandoGator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-05 10:36 PM
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38. Jeb. It's rather obvious to me at least.
n/t
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-05 06:02 PM
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18. Yeah, the most conservative, except for a couple
Reagan, Bush I and II, Ford, Nixon, JFK, Truman, Eisenhower. He's about tied with Carter during his presidency years. LBJ was more liberal on social issues, more conservative on foreign policy.

It's simple to understand why conservatives hate Clinton. He proves everything they say and do false. He increased taxes on the wealthy, reversed Reaganomics, used diplomacy rather than force, used force only as a last resort to enforce diplomacy, increased government spending on job training, education, and law enforcement, prevented Gingrich from rolling back all social spending to pre-FDR levels, and spoke eloquently. And everything went perfectly. Higher wages, falling poverty, increased jobs, a strong economy, lower crime rates, smaller government and a safer world. All the results the Republicans promised by doing exactly the opposite of what Republicans said should be done.

Of course they hate him. he proves they are wrong.
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OrlandoGator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-05 09:31 PM
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32. Are those you listed REALLY conservative?
Think about the real definition of a "conservative"...one who conserves. Money, lives, the environment, natural resources...what exactly did those "conservatives" ever conserve?

Hence my claim that Clinton was the most conservative of the last 50 years.
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-05 06:04 PM
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19. The radical right-wing made him their scapegoat for all moral ills.
That's my take.
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Birthmark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-05 06:10 PM
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21. As Republicans go, Clinton was pretty good.
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Neil Lisst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-05 06:22 PM
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22. They hate Bill Clinton because he's not one of them
The Clinton years proved what liars most Republican business types really are. They wailed about Dems and their spending for decades, insisted on a balanced budget while Clinton was president, and experienced the best they ever had under Clinton.

Doesn't matter. If Jesus had come back and personally recommended Clinton, the right would have crucified him AGAIN.

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my progressive political cartoon
http://www.webcomicsnation.com/neillisst
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wakeme2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-05 06:34 PM
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23. Well MsConduct said it best
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Garbo 2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-05 06:39 PM
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25. I noted at the time that the Bushies acted like they had a divine right to
the Presidency and were outraged that this interloper took it away from them. The knives were out and the GOP "noise machine" ready before Clinton even took the oath.
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YellowRubberDuckie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-05 06:41 PM
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26. I know a few dems who hate Clinton too...
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-05 06:41 PM
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27. Simple: they feel he violated their due by winning the presidency.
They felt from Reagan on they'd get a more and more conservative America -- particularly socially. That was The Order of Things, divinely mandated and promised.

Then Bill Clinton - with the help of Ross Perot - won the presidency. Not only did he win it, but he was a slap in the face for them by being a pot smoking hippie who protested the war in Viet Nam.

On top of that he did fantastically well as President, violating every belief they had in The Order of Things.
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Hillgiant Donating Member (22 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-05 08:05 PM
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29. a quibble:
I do not think that Perot contributed considerably to Clinton's victory. The assumption that people who voted for him would have voted for Bush I instead is making the rather rash assumption that they would have voted at all.

Be honest. It was GHWB's election to loose, and he did that with distinction. Bumbling on domestic issues and renigging on his "no new taxes" could not stand up to Clinton's charisma and oration.

I really miss having a president that could SPEAK.
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OrlandoGator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-05 09:34 PM
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34. Peace, boom economy, surpluses, tech development...
...but what I miss most about the Clinton administration was knowing we had someone articulate and intelligent in charge. We really took it for granted at the time.
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Bernardo de La Paz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-05 07:11 PM
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28. It's a reflex amped up by hate radio. Reactionaries are all about hate.
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woodsprite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-05 08:31 PM
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30. Cause he makes politics look easy and handles it with grace. n/t
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MODemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-05 09:24 PM
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31. I believe it's borne out of Jealousy
To have someone as intelligent as Bill Clinton on the opposite side is very intimidating to the right-wingers.
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B Calm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-05 09:31 PM
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33. Conservatives never did hate Clinton, but the cheap labor neo cons
hated him!
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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-05 10:11 PM
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37. Cause he was doing some thinking about the future & the third way
and all. GOP was relying on Liberals being stuck in stone for generations so all their new con & neocon ideas would be easily followed.

Nefarious will do that. They'll purposely silence any voice that competes with their "greatness".

I mean that generation of conservatives had everything go their way under Reagan and it seemed to them.. it was a crime for things to not be "just so" in their world. I mean they send their kids to private schools and live in walled cities. So why should they pay taxes for thing like public schools?:sarcasm:
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