Are we witnessing the fall of the "new right"/Reagan revolution, or just..

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the fall of the neocons/BushCo?

[Seabiscuit]

1. Neither. Just a burp during the Neocon bloodfest orgy.

Don't make too much of it. They've been organizing for 30-40 years while we've been asleep.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

2. Early days yet. Watergate took 2 years to unfold. Remains to be seen.

[BillZBubb]

3. This will all be put on Bush or his lackies.

The neo-con agenda will go on and still find popularity and support. Right wingnuts will never give up on their "philosophy". They'll put the blame wherever they have to to avoid admitting to themselves how bankrupt their beliefs are.

[Avalux]

4. The neocons are already distancing themselves.

Bill Kristol was doing the rounds today dissing Miers.

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7. Bill Kristol, one of the architects of the Gulf War

is "distancing himself?" See, the architects will remain, along with the Military Industrial Complex, long after Bush and Cheney leave their offices.

And the right-wing packed judicial system will be there to legitimize whatever crap they cook up in the future for years and years to come.

[Oeditpus Rex]

5. I thought the neocons and the 'new right'

were one and the same. :shrug:

[starroute]

6. Nothing like it -- they're uneasy allies

The Neocons were mostly Democratic anti-communist warhawks in the 1970's who came over to the Republican Party on foreign policy issues. But they've never fitted in completely, and there's a lot of resentment against them, especially from Paleocons like Pat Buchanan who still hold to old-fashioned isolationism (with a dab of anti-semitism thrown in.)

The New Right came out of the Goldwater movement and Young Americans for Freedom in the late 60's and early 70's and gained power with Reagan in the 80's. It's very free market, anti-government, with both a traditionalist and a libertarian wing. Abramoff and Norquist and their buddies are products of the New Right.

[Oeditpus Rex]

8. I stand educated

Thanks. :hi:

[newswolf56]

9. The political and economic scandals will be downplayed as always...

by the unholy triumvirate of fascists (the Republicans), corporatists (most Democrats) and corporate media. But the greed-fueled economic crisis -- the combination of downsizing, outsourcing, wage reduction, pension looting, methodical destruction of the social safety net and skyrocketing prices -- will continue unabated until the innate American radicalism is finally reawakened as it was during the 1930s. When that happens -- and I believe it is a matter of when not if -- the call for resurrection of the New Deal will spread (in the words of a popular Leftist song of that period), "from border unto border/ from ocean unto ocean": the only question is whether the powers that be will allow the will of the people expression via the electoral process.

A cornerstone of the New Deal was the historical truth of class struggle, a principle first articulated by Marx but later embraced by all of the real Left -- an attribute of raised consciousness since effectively drowned in the now-dwindling ocean of U.S. prosperity. The absolute genius of Franklin Delano Roosevelt -- the New Deal solution to class struggle -- was to reconstitute government as the true defender of the people "against all enemies foreign and domestic" -- not only military foes but fat-cat capitalists and the malevolent greed with which they would enslave us all. In response the oligarchy spent the next 70 years methodically destroying all the New Deal restraints: all this to again unleash the maximum Tyrannosauric savagery in which all true capitalists revel: the ultimate message of the Bush Administration whether in Iraq or New Orleans -- and Bush himself as personification of the New World Order, global capitalism's ultimate accomplishment: not the blundering fool of popular mythology but in fact the most ruthlessly cunning tyrant in U.S. history.

Thus I have no doubt at all that above all else the hidden and infinitely toxic purpose of Bush's Supreme Court appointments is to secure the permanent victory of money supremacy: disempowerment of the electorate to such an extent the oligarchy will never again be seriously challenged -- this by whatever perversion of the Constitution is deemed necessary. Roe v. Wade in this context is largely a red herring. Two factors will determine our true future: the degree to which Bush is able to impose plutocratic tyranny, and the degree to which Americans are willing to resist.

[gumby]

10. WORD.

And without a middle-class and the corporatists being global, we most probably will all be drowned along with NOLA.