Those 3 plots on US soil Bush said we broke up? They're bullshit.

[tgnyc]

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/10/07/politics/07prexy.html?pagewanted=print

WASHINGTON, Oct. 6 - President Bush on Thursday tried to refocus American attention on terrorism, declaring in a speech that the United States and its partners had disrupted 10 serious plots since the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001.

The White House said they included a failed effort in 2002 to use hijacked airplanes to attack "targets on the West Coast," and a similar plot on the East Coast in 2003.

The 2002 plot appeared to be the most significant disclosure, and counterterrorism officials said Thursday evening that it had been led by Khalid Shaikh Mohammed, who is said to have been the mastermind of the Sept. 11 attacks. He was captured in Pakistan in 2003.

A listing, produced hastily several hours after Mr. Bush's speech, also included some previously known cases, including the one that led to the arrest in May 2002 of Jose Padilla, who intelligence officials say was exploring the possibility of setting off a dirty bomb in an American city. It was not immediately clear whether other items on the list represented significant threats.

Al Qaeda was going to try the same exact plot in 2002 and 2003 as it did in 2001? Yeah, right.

And Padilla: that case is so solid that Bush won't ever allow the "evidence" they have against him to see the light of day.

He is so full of shit it is unbelievable.

[nadinbrzezinski]

1. And refusing the rights of a US Citizen to a US Citizen

[babylonsister]

2. Thanks, tgnyc. The new problem now is

no one will believe a true story should it be announced.
They are full of poop!

[jobycom]

3. I'm picturing Bush and Rove sitting around the WH bar

"Hey, Karl, I'm your president. I order you to start thinking up a terrorist plot to attack America. Okay, now, tell me."

"Well, okay, Dumbass, I meant W, let's say you hijack a couple of planes on the East Coast and fly..."

"Boo!!"

"What?"

"I said 'Boo!!' That means I just interrupted a terrorist plot. Get it?"

"Not bad, George, I think we can use that."

[grannylib]

4. *lol* If the Imbecile was even clever enough to think of that, I wouldn't

be half so worried as I am!!!
Utter bullshit, it's just an attempt to re-direct attention away from the total failures of his and his administration.
Corruption, lies, filth, death and theft...the hallmarks of the ReThuglican party.

[jobycom]

5. I don't know, it's possible that they've stopped a few plots

I mean, it's not like Bush has to do it himself. I imagine after W ignored the 9-11 memo, intelligence probably just took him out of the loop and did their own thing.

[BR_Parkway]

14. That was Harriet's job, she stood behind him and whispered in his ear -

ok w, now say boo real loud!

[The_Casual_Observer]

6. bush is simply a fucking low class liar, and a shitty one at that

his 30% "base" is about appropriate for a well known name that has a big ass PR campaign behind it. The lowest 30% of anything is never worth a fuck. Try to pass an exam in the lowest 30%, it isn't done.

[Erika]

7. A caller on Savage brought this up

Why wasn't it announced before today? Savage brought up that this is all staged to try to save the failed W presidency, including the new NY attacks.

[Beam Me Up]

8. The media and their brainless pResident have no credibility with

the American people. There are some exceptions but more and more, Amcericans know they have been and are continuously being lied to by this administration and the media which pipes them almost completely without question into their homes. There are a lot of angry people and they are getting angrier every day. They are looking for some explanation for the shaky economy and rising costs, especially of fuel. They feel uneasy about this war and its costs in dollars and lives, especially other Americans. Some of us know that we are being outright lied to about a lot of things. We've educated ourselves and one another, no thanks to either media or government.

Some of us have come to the conclusion that the whole "Democracy" thing is nothing but a kind of dog and pony show. We want it to be real, of course, but unfortunately right now it isn't. Those of us who truly let that in find it a somewhat unnerving perspective:

...knowledge brings responsibility. If we acknowledge that an inner circle of ruling elites controls the world's most powerful military and intelligence system; controls the international banking system; controls the most effective and far-reaching propaganda network in history; controls all three branches of government in the world's only superpower; and controls the technology that counts the people's votes, we might be then forced to conclude that we don't live in a particularly democratic system. And then voting and making contributions and trying to stay informed wouldn't be enough. Because then the duty of citizenship would go beyond serving as a loyal opposition, to serving as a "loyal resistance"Ñlike the Republicans in the Spanish Civil War, except that in this case the resistance to fascism would be on the side of the national ideals, rather than the government; and a violent insurgency would not only play into the empire's hands, it would be doomed from the start.

Forming a nonviolent resistance movement, on the other hand, might mean forsaking some middle class comfort, and it would doubtless require a lot of work. It would mean educating ourselves and others about the nature of the truly apocalyptic beast we face. It would mean organizing at the most basic neighborhood level, face to face. (We cannot put our trust in the empire's technology.) It would mean reaching across turf lines and transcending single-issue politics, forming coalitions and sharing data and names and strategies, and applying energy at every level of government, local to global. It would also probably mean civil disobedience, at a time when the Bush regime is starting to classify that action as "terrorism." In the end, it may mean organizing a progressive confederacy to govern ourselves, just as our revolutionary founders formed the Continental Congress. It would mean being wise as serpents, and gentle as doves.

It would be a lot of work. It would also require critical mass. A
Paranoid Shift

[Erika]

9. Yeah and very sad

Bush's reign is fear, gloom, and doom. It's lowering our standard of living. I have a good friend and co-worker who bought a big used SUV a year ago with great pride. He is a volunteer firefighter and the rig could go into back country. Now he rides the city bus to work and hopes the fires are on his off time. This is what W has done to America. He is killing our way of life.

[nadinbrzezinski]

10. that was an incredible piece

bout to save it on HD too

And paranoids, of the world unite

[Jose Diablo]

18. What if

What will happen if a vast majority of people (like ourselves) begin to see "Some of us have come to the conclusion that the whole "Democracy" thing is nothing but a kind of dog and pony show" didn't just start with dimwit, but all of us have been bamboozled for over 40 years by the republicans and many dems too.

If they see "we the people" have been sold down the river to the corporations by all the politicos it can get very interesting. Thats the stuff of cleaning the clock.

FDR didn't come out with the 'new deal' out the bigness of his heart, he did it because the people were getting ready to go communist and the 'new deal' was the only way the merchant monopolists would be allowed to stay. Only if they agreed to economic sharing of the pie could they expect to live. And now we see those that share the same philosophy of these monopolists haven reneged of FDR's deal.

If people come to see their jobs gone, their freedom gone, their right to vote subverted, their homes gone, their ability to take care of their children gone, what else can they lose but their lives? And the politicos have set things in motion to do just that. Both sides of the aisle.

[Beam Me Up]

19. This is the way it looks to me as well. What would a genuine Democracy

look like? What would our nation look like if we could actually get the Constitution to work in a way that represented the majority of the people's interests (rather than the elect few)? How are we going to get there from here when, currently at least, much of the military is in the hands of an elite that profit mightily from the militarization of our society? Without the influence and educational power of television, how are we going to build a mass movement based in an awareness of what is humanly possible for our society?

I take to heart the words of Mario Savio:

There is a time when the operation of the machine becomes so odious, makes you so sick at heart, that you canÕt take part; you canÕt even passively take part, and youÕve got to put your bodies upon the gears and upon the wheels, upon the levers, upon all the apparatus and youÕve got to make it stop. And youÕve got to indicate to all the people who run it, to the people that own it, that unless youÕre free, the machines will be prevented from working at all.

But I also make the point to those who pose the possibility of a genuine counter coup against the corporatists that for this to work one must have the mail man, the police officers, the firemen and emergency workers, the low to mid level bureaucrats, the doctors and the nurses. In other words the average Joe and Jane who are but may not think of themselves as 'working class'. Without that base of awareness and resolve to make something happen on a fundamental level, without some vision of what is actually possible for us to build (not merely tear down), we will continue to remain where we are: disorganized and under the thumb of an oppressive society that doesn't see itself as such.

[Lindacooks]

11. This says it all:

"A listing, produced hastily several hours after Mr. Bush's speech,"

In other words, they thought that they weren't going to get called on this and that the MSM lapdogs would just, well, lap it up and not question the chimperator.

[Stockholm]

12. Look into my eyes ignooooore...

plame, delay, katrina, frist, deficit etc.

[fasttense]

13. Bush isn't even pretending to tell the truth anymore.

Come on, I'm suppose to believe a government that can't respond to a known and predicted flood, that can't get armor and protective clothing to their troops, that promotes a political hack to the highest judicial office in the country has foiled 10 terrorist plots?
This is the same Homeland Security that had Brownie boy among them. Where did they get all the competent people all of a sudden? Yeah right, this is the same government that fudges the inflation and unemployment numbers so they can get good press, yet doesn't say anything about stopping 10 terrorist plots when they originally occurred. Oh come on now, Bush isn't even trying to look like he is telling the truth anymore.

[malaise]

15. And that's the truth

It is dangerous when citizens can no longer trust a word from the government.

[tgnyc]

16. morning kick

[Jim__]

17. The question is: Will the MSM report that they're bullshit?

I doubt it.