Arnold's Win Could HELP Democrats

[Midwest_Doc]

A silver lining?
California voters will now hold the republicans responsible for the fiscal welfare of the state. If the state's economy doesn't improve, the fallout against the GOP could affect the presidential and congressional races in the state. Remeber how quickly the voters turned against the once-popular Davis!

[zubeneshamali]

1. I like your forward looking positive attitude

The glass is 41% full.

[Dogmudgeon]

4. The Math?

1/50th of the glass is 41% full.

And what filled it is a RINO who is hated by the GOP purists.

Arnie is a short-term problem for us, and a long-term problem for the Conservatives.

Let the chips fall until the buffalo is empty.

--bkl
Hasta Problemo, Baby

[ikojo]

2. Davis was not a celebrity and had little personal

charisma, that is what did him in.

The way I see it is like this: if the chambers in Sacramento are controlled by the Dems then Ahnold and Rove can say that he is unable to move forward with his (their) agenda because of obstinate Democrats. The Dems will be blamed for bringing Cali government to a standstill.

Rove and Ahnold will campaign for pugs saying that with a pug controlled Sacramento they will be able to do more. I just hope that the voters of California see what the pugs have done with the national government since they have controlled all three branches.

Somehow I doubt people will connect the dots, not in the face of celebrity.

[ablbodyed]

7. You're right.....

The sheeple are too stupid to connect the dots. We're in DEEEEEP trouble. The Repugs will NEVER GIVE UP POWER. If it looks like they're in real trouble, they'll do something drastic, and the organized secret militias (and you know they exist) will come out in force and intimidate and bully the rest of us into a terrified silence. I see Canada from my home. The election in Ontario just thrashed a VERY conservative govt that had been in power for about 6 years (using paper ballots, BTW, and counting them in an hour!!!!!!!).I wish I could move there. I have been prophecizing what's happening in this country for at least 20 years. I have been laughed at, mocked, and called an alarmist, but even my worst fears are coming true. There are not enough people with both innate goodness and courage to stop this fascist/fundie take-over, not with the long-term plans that are being used. I fervently hope that I'm wrong, but................

[rfranklin]

3. The people of California are so stupid that they...

still haven't grasped that their dilemma was caused in main by the financiers of the Bush Crime Family--Enron and the other energy crooks who were allowed to rape the state while getting protection from the White House. Do you really think they'll catch on? Or will they buy the line that it's the illegal aliens causing all their problems?

[DiverDave]

6. Get real folks,

He will fail miserably, and what will the rethugs claim?
It was Davis's fault.
Scream it, print it day after day, the sheep will believe it.
Who's Enron? will be the line.
Until the media becomes truly non-partisan, we will suffer more of these defeats.
I, for one, am not holding my breath for that to happen.

[cosmicdot]

15. the White House operatives (and Ken Lay) are prolly thrilled

that the Enron connection failed to materialize

testing voter memory 'recall' testing 1 - 2 - 3

I'm disappointed that the link of enron to BFEE to Ahhhnold couldn't have been harnassed by channeling any anger to the 'right' direction

Pretending to be at more than arm's length from the recall ... wonder how soon bunnypants isn't being held up by the Gropinator for a
photo-op and post-recall ruboff? Maybe they can re-use the Mission Accomplished banner

[loudnclear]

5. Except that the energy barons and the Repugs will work together

Just as they ensured Davis failure ENRON and others will curtail their clandestine sabbatage of the energy situation in CA and make it work for Arnie.

The good news from this election could be that the Funddie RWingnuts are losing their grip on our politics. The real bad news is that they are losing their grip while AIPAC is increasing its grip.

[salmonhorse]

8. Well, yeah that plus...

Rove/Bush/Cheney are going to have a wild time siddling up next to the premier Nazi cyborg, contemporary Hollywood image = orgy going, steroid laced, woman groping, gay rights touting, abortion winking, stage filled with Kennedy's cheering movie star.

There no silver lining here for Bush or the self absorbed Darrel Issa ~

[dusty64]

9. This also shows a strong

undercurrent against incumbents and we know who that will hurt. Things are going to get a LOT worse in this country and there ought to be a large amount of anger next Fall. This is NOT a referendum on chimp, the Democrats did not run a good campaign. I hope they learn something this time, nice guys finish last. This IS war! I think there could be a strong possibility arnold could end up being indicted and will be dogged by many new allegations. The media did show their true colors through all this though, let there be NO doubt what their agenda is.

[Snellius]

10. Arnold will be disasterous for the Californian economy

Arnold Schwarzenegger is a boorish embarrassment for many Californians, especially in Hollywood and Silicon Valley and other of the most productive segments of the economy, who still pride themselves on being part of a more enlightened counterculture than the rest of the U.S. If Arnold thinks he's going to attract business to California, he's crazy, without destroying the very environment that brought people there in the first place.

[KharmaTrain]

11. They Beat Us In The Trenches

I'm like many who think we should be able to tar every evil in this world on the GOOPs, and all logic would say that this regime is doing everything to destroy this country for years, if not decades to come. The next election means so much and I fear we're falling further behind in energizing and organizing our base and not only telling them to vote, but giving them a real reason. So far that hasn't happened.

We're facing a re-election machine next year that has every lever of incumbency against us...including the media...a bully pulpit unlike the type since the LBJ days...and very capable of smothering, distorting, distracting, stonewalling or smearing any bad story that comes out against them.

There is unrest in the electorate, but the Democratic party hasn't really tapped into it yet. We have a lot of passionate people with different causes that tend to get ahead of the overall goal of ousting this regime and restoring a representative democracy.

California was a major let down with the lack of labor and organizational coordination or support. There was little coordination between Davis and Bustamante...opening up the Repug attack on party solidarity...who wants to vote for a party that looks not only inept, but opportunistic? They won that war real good.

My major push for next year isn't just retaking the Executive, but starting the grassroot process of getting organizations and candidates across the country to retake the House and keep it. Our safety valve in the Raygun and Nixon days was the House, since we've lost it, they've been shoving up our backsides.

Cheers

[Rowdyboy]

12. But Ahnold isn't a Republican....

he's a celebrity, and celebrities are forgiven everything. It those mean old Democrats that won't give him a fair chance.

The Austrian pig's 40 year political career began last night. From Sacramento to the senate. This is a total disaster.

[KharmaTrain]

14. Forgiven? Ask Babs Streisand.,,

I get your point, but that was because the GOOP media machine was already in place and ready to go full bore...and they sure did. Not only did Ahnold surprise with that Leno appearance, but then the media blitz that followed.

Face it, if there had been a Davis/Bustamante rally in Golden Gate Park with 500,000 out there, how could you hide that from the whore medias cameras? That Arnold bus-trip was pure Harry Truman whistle-stop...it got a lot of splash and made the guy look like a winner despite all the other shit that was flying around.

Actually, I think Groperboy's career hit it's peak last night. He's now a puppet of the DC/Wilson machine that got him his latest role (just like Raygun)...but the dirty laundry is too much for him to rise much higher. I can't see him going down to a Boxer or Feinstein...a lot more people in California like and respect them than they did either Davis or Bustamante.

[LTR]

19. Forgiven?

Ask Jesse Ventura.

[rocktivity]

13. Arnold Owes California NINE BILLION DOLLARS

If he does anything to interfere with the lawsuit Bustamante filed against Enron, California will have legitimate grounds for recalling him. Let's hear him explain to "the people" why it's in their best interests to settle for two cents on the dollar. "WHERE'S OUR NINE BILLION DOLLARS, ARNIE?"

http://www.gregpalast.com/detail.cfm?artid=284&row=0
http://newsreview.com/issues/sacto/2003-08-28/essay.asp


rocknation

[Cronus Protagonist]

16. We don't need legitimate grounds to recall him

After all, they didn't have any for recalling Davis. But we'd better do it quickly because, like the independent prosecutor law, once they've done the dirty deed they'll make sure it can't be used against themselves. Better get movin before it's too late....

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[Woodstock]

17. Yes also it takes away the false "moral" edge

It's going to be hard to bash Clinton for his affairs, when Arnie has tried to undress strangers, and the thought of stuffing a woman's head down toilets makes him really happy.

And I don't know that this will happen, but it might lessen the Kennedy bashing.

Let's see, without Clinton bashing and Kennedy bashing, all they have left to whine about is affirmative action, guns, and welfare.

Put a candidate like Dean or Clark up there, and the guns part should go away.

We can work on misperceptions about the other two.

[LTR]

18. I've been saying the same thing

The GOP doesn't have a Democrat to blame, now it's their show.

Whatever happens to California, all the blame goes to Arnold.

And the election of Schwarzenegger shows that California won't go for the status quo. They want something different.

I think this bodes well for Democrats in 2004. California has usually been pretty friendly to the party in federal elections. Not always, but often.

[OldSoldier]

20. I'm sorry, this won't help Democrats at all

Now that there's a Repug in the governor's mansion, Bush will have no problem magically finding the money needed to return Callie-fornia to fiscal solvency. That, and lots of blaming Gray Davis and the Democrats in the legislature for every damn thing that goes wrong in the next few years, will cement in the mind of the average stupid Californian that Republicans Are Good.

We're screwed. Face it.

The alternate, happy scenario is that Bush doesn't find the money to fix California and the voters ask of Schwarzenegger about a year from now, "you ran promising to fix the mess George Bush caused, it's not fixed, what's the deal?" Cutesy movie slogans aren't going to bail his ass out.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

21. i gotta believe Arnold is a democratic plant in the GOP...

otherwise i will loose my mind completely...

clicking heels together 3 times ...there's no place like home...threre's no place like home...there's no place like home