Who really REALLY thinks this is the beginning of the end for Bush?

[democrat in Tallahassee]

Will it be a long drawn out process like Watergatge, or will he just get trounced in the election next year.

My hope is that he is so tainted that Jeb will never be able to run. If the Dems has pursued Iran Contra and Poppy's part in it, W would never have made it to the White House. Remember, there are a whole bunch of them and we can't let one of them get this kind of power again

[Fovea]

1. I think it is the beginning of the end

for the NeoCon movement.
By this time next year the media whores are going to be scratching their butts and wondering how to save the Republican party. But by that point, the moderates will be joining Jeffords in droves.

[AngryWhiteDemocrat]

2. I do, but....

I think it's the beginning of the end.

But as for "there's a whole lot of 'em", I'd be THRILLED with a Lauren Bush presidency.

[hang a left]

4. I just can't imagine

bushco getting out of this.

[DagmarK]

3. It will be his end IF we insist on it.........

see this link:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=47513&mesg_id=47513&page=

If we don't insist on it......it's a crap shoot.

[Outvoicer]

5. perhaps ... if the Dems stay on the offensive

my fear is they revert back to their more comfortable spineless form and the media will just sweep it away. Like what happened in May 2002 with the "Bush Knew" story.

[mlawson]

8. That is the key, and also what I worry about.

The drumbeat must continue. This might be the only chance we get. Will the Dems stick to it?? We have to wait and see.

[DagmarK]

13. OutVoicer......well, what do you think might fuel the dems on?

THE PEOPLE SCREAMING in the streets, for one.

[rhino91063]

11. I do what I can

Here is a link to sign a petition to the heads of the Senate for a full investigation.

http://www.workingforchange.com/activism/index.cfm?CFID=8437318&CFTOKEN=40323879

In addition, I patrol Yahoo news. If you see that the most popular pictures(by rating) shows the horrors of bush's war and the stories reflect the horrors and the lies, I might have had something to do with it.

[number9]

6. I think it will take awhile for the rest

of the voters to "get it." Most still don't understand what the hell Watergate was all about. Like most things, they take what they are told - Nixon, bad, crook - and don't care much more than that. It will take awhile for voters to turn away from the one they've spent the past few years defending. Demos never turned away from Clinton because he didn't come close to this level of impeachment material and carried the nation forward to new heights of economic prosperity. I think the tide will change, but slowly.

[shance]

7. I have never fully understood what Watergate was fully about

There had to be more to it than a break in at the Democrats office.

[number9]

10. It also had to do with

the reason for the break in, who did it, who began to cover it up, how money was spent from a slush fund, and it ended with - the president lied to the American people about a matter of public interest in an attempt to subvert the constitution. Sound familiar? These are just the basics, of course.

[number9]

14. If you like movies - I do

rent Nixon - it may be a little off in places, but is a great story.

The lies are finally catching up to the chimpmeister.

[Coventina]

9. I'm scared to entertain hope

It's been so long since I had any hope.
I don't want to be crushed if BUSHCO doesn't fall, or take serious damage.

[TheBigGuy]

17. I know what you mean...

W has a tendancy to bounce back from stuff.

[Vitruvius]

26. Dubya doesn't bounce back -- the whore media RESUSCITATES him...

Dubya has no resiliency, and should have been dead politically long ago. Long before his selection, in fact. And, but for the corporate media, he would have been.

Which is why the Dems have to be AGGRESSIVE and drive a stake thru his heart.

[Solomon]

12. Yes Yes, It is the start of the end

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=47165&mesg_id=47165&page=1

[rasputin1952]

15. This is actually 'the middle of the end'...

of bush and Co.

The begining came witht he first tax cut that did nothing to stimulate the economy. Then the unemployment #'s came out, strike 2.
Second tax cut, oops, nothing positive happened. Now this....ummmm, buh-bye gw.

There will be more to come, you can count on it.

[carols]

18. I agree - the economy is the cabal's biggest elephant in the closet

Un-employment is sky high and there is no such thing as a jobless recovery. Folks who don't have jobs do not invest in the stock market - according to Financial Times, 2/3 of our nation's wealth is based on consumer spending. The Iraq war has very little to do with whether the market goes up or down in the long term. Jobless people will not vote for Bush unless they want 4 more years of bending over. We thought we had 'em with Enron, then we though we had 'em with 9/11, but it seems the Bush sheep think the means justify the ends. As long as they are winnng, they don't seem to care about the lies. But they WILL care about the lie of our economic recovery if they can't fill up their SUV's or eat their McTwinkies. It's a lie that directly impacts them.
Carol

[rasputin1952]

24. This is why they are waking up...

I'm here in Nebraska, and these folks are turning around, and quickly!
They see this for what it is and they feel like they've been duped again.

If the people of Nebraska are starting to go anti-bush, this admin doesn't have a chance. Alot of the changes began way back when Bob Kerrey was talking about possibly going in to the race. The idea that the administration would attack a bona-fide war hero, who had lost a leg and earned the MOH, was more than many of these people could take. Farmers were asking tough questions back then. Many of these people have sons and daughters in the military, and they see no WMD's, nor exit strategy, and no plans, (other than an oil grab).

This will not go away....it will be in the front of everything this moron does. No one will believe him again, and he is toast in '04.

[Vitruvius]

27. Doesn't Nebraska have the voting machines made by Chuck Hagel's company?

And when Rethugs make voting machines, they make machines that vote.

[rasputin1952]

33. Hagel is deeply involved with the voting machines...

but most Nebraskans view these ae pretty bad options for punchcards without a paper trail.

Hagel is rightly catching a lot of heat over this. All anyone is asking for is a paper ballot to be used in recounts. It is the repug's that hate the idea....wonder why?

[midnight armadillo]

39. Jobless recovery

there is no such thing as a jobless recovery

Well, there is, but it's one in which the recovery occurs while companies ship their jobs to foreign countries with lower wages. Jobless for the US, not for China.

[TheBigGuy]

16. Its not going to be like Watergate...

....I dont think there will be a resignation or impeachment.

Depending on how bad his political situation deteriorates or how fed up the media and the public get with the war and the economy he will either pull a LBJ and not run again, or he will be defeated in the election.

Bush still isnt below 50% in his approvals, so we have a ways to go yet.

[snippy]

21. Agree completely.

But I expect him to run. He is too selfish and delusional to step down and no republican is going to challenge him. Whether he is defeated I think will depend on a combination of the economy, the situation in Iraq and any future terrorist attack in this country.

[JCMach1]

22. If things get too bad, his party will pull a TAFT

and run someone else-- like John McCain in the primaries or as an indy.

[Tandalayo_Scheisskopf]

19. Oh, it's over,

But like any other lower form of life, it is gonna take a while for the fact of it being over to sink in.

Frankly, I think that their sense of entitlement and manifest destiny might lead to some REALLY ugly stuff, in the-not-too-far-distant-future, since the ways sociopaths act out, once exposed, are never pretty.

[gulliver]

20. Bush Junior is going to fail for all to see this time.

Dad can't help him this time. Some people have just taken on faith that Bush is a grown-up because he dresses in grown-up clothes and acts "like such a big boy!"

But no, he won't be able to avoid having to prove he is a real man, and it's obvious to anyone that he won't be up to it.

[aquart]

23. Yes. He's proving he's not a MAN.

He passes the buck instead of saying it stops with him.

He lies. He lies all the time. People have begun to notice.

He lied. He's lost his cherry. He can claim to be a born again virgin, but will anyone believe it?

He will never again look like the man his supporters thought he was.

Pass the popcorn.

[LiberalLibra]

25. NO, this is only the beginning of the beginning of the end.....

....look back at Watergate. There is much more to come before those neo cons really start turning on Bush, that's where a couple of new "insider" reporters will come in. I'm still looking for the 21st century "Deep Throat".

[Wapsie B]

28. Kicking chimpy out of the WH

won't happen overnight. If the pressure gets too intense for the little simian I think we could see the first breakdown in the Oval Office. Big time.

[Ponderer]

29. 55% approval is not the end

Wake me up when he dips below 50%, which has never happened in his term yet.

[camero]

31. And also

His approvals are above 50% even though a majority believe he lied about the threat posed from Iraq.

Of course alot of it, I think, is Americans just wanting to be able to do whatever they want but also wanting to control what others say or do. In other words, they value their rights more than other people's right. But in reality, if other people don't have rights, then they don't either.

[QuidditchFan]

30. When Barbara's egg let that damn sperm in...

That was the beginning of the end.

[Lexingtonian]

32. There's a ways to go

Basically we're seeing the Bushies in retreat to their next defensive line. They said the War on Terror was going to be their front lines, but time and events have slowly driven them out of one position after another.

Foreign policy is the first set of battlefields, and we're getting to the point where they have to abandon the lot of it. By the end of the year they will have abandoned Iraq and Afghanistan as points in their favor, and the Koreas aren't a help either. Only the I/P 'roadmap' remains as a major policy investment that could pan out, but they've let Sharon sabotage it so much that it's also a matter they find they won't want to talk about for the general election.

They'll fall back on the wonderful things they've done domestically. Their social policy agenda/achievement record is woeful and not much of a defensive line- the USSC didn't help them out with Lawrence either, and Robertson's efforts are now more danger than opportunity. Democrats will just attack Robertson and the 'compassionate conservative' line will collapse.

In the end they're going to be taking their fiscal policies- and the condition of the economy- as their last, most heavily fortified, and most fanatically defended line. The war of words will be a bloodbath, more for them than for us, and the scandals that will be looked into amount to a slow strangling.

[Beetwasher]

34. Things have turned on a DIME!

I didn't think it was possible for it to turn around so quickly. I'm still witholding judgement about the end, but it's certainly a good sign. His support was always a mile wide and an inch deep, but I didn't think it would turn so quickly, I thought it would be more gradual...

[Jonte_1979]

35. I don't

:-(

[BonjourUSA]

36. The beginning of the end or not, you must begin the trial…

… of the Bush's presidency.

Impeachment now or harder criticism than this one we can hear. You must start cleaning the US image. For that, we need to hear louder the voice of the reason from the USA.


It's impossible (I dare to believe it) that some Americans continue to be proud of a liar and an incapable idiot. If more than 50% of American still wish his re-election in some weeks it would be the proof of a real disease of your nation (I don't dare to believe it).

[Coffee Coyote]

37. not yet

Watergate comparisons are moronic and shortsighted. It is a projection of wishful thinking rather than sound historical analysis.

[FoxNewsIsTheDevil]

38. correct

[Ponderer]

40. Yikes I already replied on this thread yesterday

Never mind.