I refuse to call it INCOMPETENCE

[John Doe II]

If FEMA was best prepared:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4707291

If FEMA waited till the hurrican was over:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4668733

If Bush used Katrina for requesting a federal takeover of NOLA instead of sending help:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4675509
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/09/03/AR2005090301680.html

If aid is over and over again refused and forbidden:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=106x22805
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4679913
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4660874
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4662617
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4647282
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4610580
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4665492

If international aid is refused over and over again:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4698883
http://www.spiegel.de/panorama/0,1518,373565,00.html
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4680254
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4707858

If history proves that never ever a catastrophe was handled so badly:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4664680

When Castro showed how one can evacuate 1.500.000 people without one dead before a hurricane 5 hits.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4658796

And China 790.000:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4661200


then I'm really sorry:

I don't accept to call the handling of Katrina incompetent.
It's time that the politics and journalists asks the REAL questions.

[tk2kewl]

1. Nice collection of links...

bookmarking so I can go through them. From everything I have seen and read, there is obviously something more sinister going on here. Thanks.

do you have this one in there already? If not it seems to belong.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=4709138&mesg_id=4709138

[John Doe II]

4. Thanks

Everything you need is here:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=106x22805

And you can also participate and post information to help creating a huge database.

Thanks!

[mom cat]

18. Thanks for all of your work. The Katrina thread has had a lot of

great contributions from you. Thanks for helping get the ball rolling and keeping it moving. We are developing quite a library there.Check it out at:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=106x22805

Edit to add link

[John Doe II]

12. Yap

thanks!

:toast:

[Poiuyt]

2. Don't forget what a good job Bush did with the Florida hurricanes in 2004

just before the presidential election. If he could do it then, why couldn't he do it this time?

[Beam Me Up]

3. Yes. It was not incompetence. It was POLICY.

No one wants to hear it. No one wants to believe it. All they have to do is open their eyes and look.

George W. Bush is President of the United States IN NAME ONLY. He is nothing but a PR Front Man for fascist neo-conservatives that are systematically -- that is INTENTIONALLY -- gutting our nation from the inside out. Under the pretense of increased security and the "war on terrorism" they are leaving our nation VULNERABLE to both economic collapse and threats from both within and outside of our borders. They have devistated the security infrastructure of this nation and not because they don't know what they are doing.

Every Americah is in danger from these people. They are a threat to our national security. Al Gore said it and so did ambasador Joseph Wilson.

[Junkdrawer]

5. Two things:

First, the most charitable explanation is that FEMA treats disasters like political campaigns - lock the disaster down, minimize body counts, arrange photo-ops and spread around the cash.

On DemocracyNow: FEMA treats disasters like political campaigns...

Second, the extreme RW is already setting up for a preemptive attack on Gov. Blanco to shift blame:

Rush, hannity and the NEW RW TALKING POINT 9/8/05

But, yes, this is the real scandal alright.

[OneBlueSky]

6. it was very deliberate negligance and indifference. . .

pick whatever reason suits you, but it's become crystal clear that the BushCo response to Katrina was deliberately inadequate, and that FEMA has consistently done everything possible to exacerbate rather than alleviate the suffering . . . whatever the reason, the evidence is all out there just waiting to be compiled into a damning indictment of the entire BushCo enterprise . . .

on edit: recommended; please join me . . .

[Connie_Corleone]

7. It's CRIMINAL NEGLIGENCE nt

[understandinglife]

27. At least. I'm now considering adding the modifier "premeditated" and ...

.... "coordinated" to the multiple counts of "criminal negligence."


Peace.

[me b zola]

8. There is a name for the shame

Crimes against humanity.

That is was I witnessed.

I will never forget.

[whatever4]

9. Yes, too many strange failures, independent of each other

That's how it seems. The situation has that same muddled, been-spun too much to "get to the bottom of things" feel to it.

Mistakes, but also illogical mistakes. Mistakes by not one person, or two, or three, but by a plethora of people, seemingly happening with no relation to each other. Somehow, mysteriously, everyone did the wrong things, and they have precious little to explain it. Usually mistakes have a reason, have a logic of their own, can be understood. These numerous foolish decisions sound TOO foolish, and further, they're using lies to justify them. Saying they didn't know. Blatant lies.

To cover something up. Because, obviously, they ARE NOT covering up the incompetence, but rather, seem to be USING it as an excuse. It's not what they usually do.

It's up to us to figure out why.

[mom cat]

19. It is not incompetence. Billions are to be made in profiteering! It

perfectly fits their values system. They don't care about the poor people of New Orleans...just about their profit margin.
We have to take this country back before their policies destroy the what is left.

[John Doe II]

10. I'll try to use

my week-end to write a detailed article on that.
Please, please: So many people agree here.
let me repeat it over and over again:
Check mum cat's threat put and join us. Simply add important info to the database:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=106x22805

[Skidmore]

11. It's not incompetence

but pure unadulterated evil.

[John Doe II]

13. and

:kick:

[glitch]

14. Just like 9/11 - a mysterious failure of previously successful government

operations.

They are still incompetent though, if they were competent we would have no clue of their complicity.

[Joe Chi Minh]

20. No, they've always relied on thuggery,

and so far, it's served them well.

[glitch]

26. hmm - so competence doesn't enter into their equations at all.

and why should it? All expenses paid by others.
Good point.

[Joe Chi Minh]

34. You got it.

[mopinko]

15. ME TOO!!!!!!

the question to ask- what were they doing when they were supposed to be doing their jobs? inking contracts, moving money, shaking hands, getting the rich people out, that's what.

[Psyop Samurai]

16. "Incompetence" ain't gonna fly...

...not this time. ...not this time.

[Imagevision]

17. I agree, Bush should not delegate nothing to know one...look at Iraq

are we still winning the war on terror? or, are the oil fields being sufficiently covered?

Bush has proven he's no leader - never has been!


http://downingstreetmemo.com/

[AX10]

21. This shows that Bush cannot deal with a REAL CRISIS.

.

[newswolf56]

22. Absolutely agreed. What happened to New Orleans...

and what is being done to its displaced persons now, are deliberate expressions of specific Bush policies: war against working families and the poor, destruction of the social safety net, unprecedented concentration of wealth by the oligarchy.

The relentless, tyranno-capitalist savagery of Bush's new edicts against the DPs -- a $2000-per-family aid limit and the 30-day eviction notice to all shelter inhabitants -- has not yet begun to sink in.

Thus the ultimate significance of New Orleans: what is being done to one major city today will be done to all of America tomorrow.

[Taxloss]

23. A few more threads like this ...

... and DU will be regarded every bit as seriously as the "news" sources these theories feed off ... Prison Planet, From the Wilderness, Democracy Now, Rense ... soon DU will have their credibility, only less so.

[John Doe II]

24. With all respect

did you even bother to check out the sources?
They are neither from any of your mentioned pages but from MSM.
So either challenge the reports or stop writing nonsense.

[Frederik]

31. Oh fer crying out loud

If you think the administration simply "screwed up", "blew it" or "dropped the ball", you haven't been paying attention.

BTW: Are you placing Democracy Now in the same category as Rense?? That tells me all I need to know about you, I think.

[mcscajun]

25. Screw "incompetence" It's either Negligent or Willful

All other explanations are just so much BULLSHIT!

[John Doe II]

28. kick

:kick:

[Mein Bush]

29. How about GWB's mental incontinence?

[John Doe II]

30. well that does

explain a bit but I'm afraid we don't account for all cases of refused (actively) help with this explanation.
And although I like your expression I'm not sure if we don't risk to underestimate this government.

[evolvenow]

32. Exactly,because it is MURDER of innocent people, to drill more OIL, watch

closely. By Wednesday, CSPAN-2 had a panel about Katrina and Energy and it was mentioned that a KILLING was made financially over oil, and that BIG OIL did not want to share their profits with the state of LA, which would have provided the funds to better protect their coastlines, and prevent catastrophe, Scott Angelle was spitting he was so angry. Even republicans, one from Oregon was making points.

This will be OIL co. and War Criminal co, same, to go ahead an drill, open refineries wherever they want, screww the planet and all living beings, forget about any sustainable alternatives of which there are many, just keep on with the OIL UNTIL THE PLANET IS DONE, or at least all of the living beings anyway.


kick FOR THE TRUTH

[Tennessee Gal]

33. Gen. Honore: Blanco requested troops "as the hurricane was approaching,"

Thanks to media matters!

As Gen. Russel Honoré, commander of the Department of Defense's (DoD) Joint Task Force Katrina, stated in a September 1 briefing,
the governors of Louisiana and Mississippi had requested additional assistance from the federal government "as the hurricane was approaching," beginning with a request on August 26 that DoD command centers be set up in their states. And by August 28, Mississippi and Louisiana were collaborating with the National Guard Bureau to have additional security forces sent in.

From the September 1 Department of Defense briefing:

LAWRENCE DiRITA (Pentagon spokesman): You know -- it's Larry DiRita -- I think what people are interested in, if you know, is when specifically or if indeed did the governors specifically ask for additional security forces and when that might have been? And if you don't know that, we'll try and find it, but that would be -- I think that's a little more refined aspect of what the reporter's asking for.

HONORÉ: Yeah, that was incremental. The security force piece was executed through a process called EMAC . That started on Sunday, a collaboration between the adjutant general and the National Guard Bureau to flow additional capabilities to Louisiana and to Mississippi. That flow started approximately around Sunday. Forces started moving once the eye of the hurricane had passed and we could start moving forces in and assist the states, Alabama pushed forces into Mississippi as well as forces from Texas started to flow into Louisiana, as well as other states. But that's the approximate phase of the operation. Again, that was executed through National Guard arrangements to move National Guard capability where it's needed. And that is what is happening, an extension of that, now.


media matters: http://mediamatters.org/items/200509080001

thread: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4724056