Oh that exclusive to Buchanan and Press is just

[nadinbrzezinski]

precious

Get your issue of News and World Report on Monday, in an exclusive they interviewed the
author of Chenney's the Albatross on the WH... and strong hints were given that they are
getting ready to dump chenney from the 2004 ticket, I guess he will spend more time with
his family.

Now for those who remember history, especially in this case Watergate, I must
ask, how far are we from the Saturday Night Massacre and the Night of the Long Knives?

There is blood in the water, there is chum in the water, hell there are bodies and the
sharks are circling. Now Bush had a political window (which already closed) to fire the perp, turn the perp to the DoJ (Whoever leaked the info to Novak) and distance himself from the Perp. He
did not, Hubris will get you EVERY TIME.

Now what we are seeing is a WH entering more than panic mode ... and a white house in
disarray.

Overall this is a good week for Democracy and freedom, and a bad week for them boys. This
trifecta is almost of cosmic proportions...

Now time to really stock up on the popcorn as the nightmare will just get slightly worst
before we finally come on the other side ... ready and in need of national renewal

[wryter2000]

1. I think this brings up an interesting question

If Cheney is dropped, will * pick another Jerry Ford -- a centrist whom everyone loved -- or another bloodthirsty neocon? Dan Quayle comes to mind. A pretty boy with his signature on the PNAC website. What would be the consequences of each choice?

[nadinbrzezinski]

3. Here is my take on this

Yes but something is telling me that just as 1974, we will see a candidate that will be very neutral to all.. the GOP knows that the radicals are turning Americans off, guess what Delay is a radical and he is facing a revolt in the House (Hastert hinted he will run for leader IF they keep control of it... full panic mode)

Now Ford was not in the line of succession, and was as neutral to all parties involved as can be.

If I was President Bush and I fired Chenney (so he can spend more time wtih the family), he is in the dog house... I suspect there are now talks inside smoke filled rooms and the arguments between the moderates and the radicals are getting VERY HEATED... see about them Long Knives, they are out, they are sharp and they are cutting.

If they went for radical pretty boy they will have a revolt from well within the GOP.

The only hope they have of getting another neo con is a perfectly unknown and they have outted themselves

[Bandit]

6. Wouldn't that be a pair to draw to. Bush* and Quale ~ ROTFLMAO

Leno and Letterman and Stewart would be orgasmic.

[Unknown Known]

2. Getting rid of Cheney will not be getting rid of the neocons

However, I will enjoy the fact that they will lose face.

I can just see ugly-ass Mitch McConnell and all the others with their talking points - "Look, VP Cheney's doctors say he needs a good rest with his family":puke:

[nadinbrzezinski]

4. It is a first step

and a very important one... you could almost see Buchannan gloating

[Gman]

5. This statement is in itself evidence that the perp is likely a very high

official:

"Now Bush had a political window (which already closed) to fire the perp, turn the perp to the DoJ (Whoever leaked the info to Novak) and distance himself from the Perp."

If it was a low level flunkie, he/she'd already been strung up and put on display.

[nadinbrzezinski]

7. that was not

Buchannan or Press that was me, and yes that is my take

The perp is at least at undersecretary...

Fingers have pointed to the Old Executive Office and
Scooter Libby (and Chenney) to be specific.

That is a very highly placed perp.

I will also say, nothing happens in that WH without Rove
knowing it. Did not say Bush, just Rove.

[rucky]

8. I Just Had a Horrible Thought

JEB

[nadinbrzezinski]

10. I will try to assuage your fears

would be so obvious of a play that it is not even funny.

Now a not well known PNACer, that is a possibilty but if Chenney is
just dropped from the ticket that is possible... if Chenney is fired..
precedent if Ford.

[budmo]

9. how much you wanna bet

Bush will probably pick Rick Santoro.....Almost worse if that's possible.

[Padraig18]

11. Bush and Quayle: "Dumb and Dumber II--- The Sequel!"

:P

[SWPAdem]

22. Ooh, that makes my sides hurt!

n/t

[incapsulated]

12. Yup, yup (what you said)

"Now for those who remember history, especially in this case Watergate, I must ask, how far are we from the Saturday Night Massacre and the Night of the Long Knives?"

[peacetalksforall]

13. I don't understand why you don't view the situation one step beyond

the obvious.

Getting rid of Cheney is only a frosting manuever to get the attention of know-nothings who really, really, really want to be Republicans. It will also help the right wing media spin a masterful propaganda show with lies about the purity of the party.

Understand that the cabal runs everything...everything...they are not being replaced. They are not being replaced. Cheney is only an operative. He is not the only author, inventor, sadistic strategist. Nothing changes. Except. Cheney is more vulnerable to lawsuits, investigations, and hearings. He is going to down in history as even more dangerous than Kissinger.

Bush is a puppet, Cheney and Rove are the closest string pullers. There is an entire cabal who design, scheme, and implement. Cheney and Bush are the front people, Cheney the more important as a strategist and profiteer.

[nadinbrzezinski]

16. Maybe becasue I see the glass

A tad fuller than you do...

By the way, I do not discount what you said, and if that is the
case then we will need force of arms and a civil war.

Now I can actually say without a shadow of a doubt that
this possibility does not excite me... since civil wars are not
civil, and the cost of this would run into the
billions of dollars and millions of lives... and I am not
sure the Republic will survive it.

So I expect this war, and yes it is a war, to continue the
way it is going, which is behind closed doors and in cloaked rooms.

By the way, Nixon was also ensonced in power and those who lived
through that walk in the park... remember that even Nixon was
brough down... and I expect this one to fall as well.

I wrote the other day that this is a turning point in US History.

I hope that turn is for a new progresive era (ironically thanks to bush we will have the kinds of crisis that leads to those changes)

It could also go into a full fascist state, with suspention of
the constitution and a very long night. At that point all bets are
off for the survival of the Republic.

Now if we should have a need to use force of arms, I do not relish it, been there done that, it ain't nice, but I will not shirk my
duty to my nation, just as I have not shirked my duty since this mess
started.

But I am also informed by history (which PNAC distorts or ignores), and the Pretender simply does not know... and that history gives me room for hope... even if it seems to be violating every tennet of working historians, the top one, history does not repeat itself.

[peacetalksforall]

19. I am also hopeful that others will become enlightened

to use a despised word. If I'm an example, others can break through. They are not lazy, they are busy and way too trusting. However,as long as the propaganda works, sheep with eyes lowered or sheep with eyes and ears on ballgames, movies, music, and celebrities will be loyal to those people who plot against us and laugh at us - and the easier it will be to be taken over by our own.

[Cha]

14. It's so eerily similiar to watergate...didn't agnew go first?

[nadinbrzezinski]

15. Yep

[The Magistrate]

17. But For Something Completely Different And Unrelated, Ma'am

Common, garden variety bribes accepted whiole Governor of Maryland.

[Jose Diablo]

18. If this is a repeat of Agnew

Doesn't Congress select a new VP. The office is elective so I don't think the president appoints a new VP. It has to go to "We the people" for an appointment I think.

Anybody out there up on the vacancy of office appointment process?

[depakid]

20. The president chooses a new VP

who is then subject to confirmation in both Houses by a simple majority.

Amendment 25

[nadinbrzezinski]

21. But we can all bet

that if this is indeed what is going on, the boys are having
meetings in smoke filled rooms. THe GOP is starting to
enter PANIC MODE (To their credit faster than Watergate)

Now they know that we the little people are paying attention.

So getting any of the radicals will not be workable for a
care taker president, if they decide they have to let go of
Bush.

What I clearly see is that things are right now WAY TOO FLUID
but the parallels to Watergate are just eerie... so
do not be too surprised to see a Saturday Night Massacre, SOON, or
a Night of the Long Knifes, (I suspect that is going on right now,
as the GOP is deciding who they need to cut down and let go,
cut into small pieces and throw into the already bloody water.)

There are bodies already in the pool as Hadley, tennet and
Condy sort of kind off fell on their swords when ordered by
Caesar back in August over them sixteen words... and the sharks
are circling now, and taking bytes. They will not let go folks,
not until they feel they are well fed... and the feeding frenzy
has just begun.

Now comparing it to other scandals, I dunno about yuo, but not
even Iran Contra had this level of outrage (yes the press can feel
the seachange), and the monica lewinsky affair was an elite driven
scandal that barely registered among the people... the closest
to this was Watergate, and it was not over the plumbers, but what
came next... and in a strange paralell that is exactly what we are seeing.

Soon somebody is bound to ask them famous words: "What did the President know and when did he know it?"

[grasswire]

23. I think...

...they're looking for a challenger to Bush in the primary. I fully expect to see that happen.