I had no idea how deeply my hate for that man ran. My lack of an interaction, with a * supporter is still haunting me a couple of hours later.
I was on my home and was on the ramp getting off the highway. I saw a mini-van on the side of the road. There was a lady standing next to the van and in her arms she held her child. I can only assume her mini-van had broken down. I don't know, perhaps with so many gad stations being out of gas, she had also run out. I slowed down and started to pull over to offer her a ride. At the very last second I noticed a "W" sticker on the back of her vehicle and I sped up and drove off.
I feel really bad as a human being. That child is not responsible for their parent's belief system. They are innocent and do not deserve to be out in the heat. (It is warm but not so bad that they would even break a sweat) I try not to punish people for what they believe.
On the other hand, so many hateful thoughts went through my head. I wondered how a person could see what was going on in NO and still have one of those awful stickers on their car. How could they support an awful excuse for a human being that has let our country down and is letting Americans die after they have made it through the storm? How can someone be so blind and so stupid?
I thought that if she loves * so much, maybe he would come along and help her the same way he is rescuing all of those poor people in the weather stricken part of our country. Let's see what her hero can do for her.
I never did go back. I was so upset with that sticker and with the fact that someone would support an idiot who is so clearly running our country into the ground.
So why am I writing this? It is not to boast, I really feel bad about passing this child and not picking up their mother. Perhaps it is for a catharsis of sorts? That would be an educated guess. I suppose it is because I feel conflicted and I am writing this to try and sort through what I am feeling. There are two emotional sides, for me, on this incident and neither seems completely right or wrong to me. Even writing this, I am still not able to work through what happened. I feel like I am floating between right and wrong and am unable to grab either side.
Next time, maybe pull over, offer help, and discuss frankly how wonderful it must feel that fellow Americans will pull over to help strangers, and how awful it is that the Bu$h (mis)Administration has left thousands to suffer and die in America. Keep talking loudly and hit as many points as you can. Either the Bu$hBot will learn something, or the Bu$hBot can tell you to leave and refuse your help. Either way, you win and have done the right thing.
They have no conscious. They're still hollering how this is those "stupid people's fault for living in a flood zone," for "not getting out," etc., making excuses of, "Too many unexpected things happened. It takes time to get things together. It was too overwhelming" -- your heart is good. Surely they got help soon behind you. Hindsight, yes, probably you should have stopped, but we can all certainly understand your conflict. Don't beat yourself up over it.
I wouldn't have stopped, either. Last year at this time, maybe, but not any more. I just cannot stop thinking about the lack of compassion for the unfortunate that Bush supporters have in massive amounts, and I conclude that if pulling themselves up by bootstraps is what they stand for, who am I to stand in their way?
The baby does complicate things a bit...but I know if the woman was alone, she would get nothing from me.
It is wrong? Yes, it probably is, but that is how far I have come in hating * an all he stands for (inluding those that support him and his neocon death machine).
...emotions are running high - nation wide. However, especially in a crisis like this it is important thaqt we do not become what we hate. We hate Bush for not helping those who need it, unless they support him. Let's not become like that. Sorry, if I sound like I'm preaching - but I have noticed that this kind of mentality is so easy to adopt - I been guilty of it myself.
The last few days have been REALLY difficult for me at work. I have been full of the most seething, white hot rage at these people-- the ones who were proclaiming their support for Bush before the election. Now they're all "Oh I sent so much to the Red Cross."
I feel like snapping "It's the LEAST you could fucking do, you selfish bastard. It's because of you and your selfishness that this happened."
One of them asked me this morning was I ok...I looked upset. I had just heard New Orleans' mayor on Air America in the car. I told her I was very upset about New Orleans and tried to turn around so my tears wouldn't show.
"Oh I know..." she began, "but they're getting relief in there today...."
And honestly, I turned around with HATE in my eyes, and through clenched teeth, said "That's NOT what I was upset about." We gazed at each other, and she knew EXACTLY what I meant.
But I've been cautioned before about politics. So I bit my tongue until it bled and left it at that.
Don't feel bad. We're liberals, but we're not stupid. I'm having a really bad problem with this too.
Next time, stop to help, do everything right, be the bigger person, and then when you're ready to drive off say, "You want might be intersted to know that you were just helped by a LIBERAL. It's what we DO. HELP people."
Try not to kick yourself too much. we're not perfect. FSC :hi:
feel the same about us! Just the other day I was in the supermarket and a lady in a motorized wheel chair asked me to grab her some milk off the top shelf...I did and she thanked me, then I saw a flash in her eyes when she noticed the "stop the war" button on my shirt, but I shrugged it off. I asked my 9yr old son if he would walk through the store for awhile and help the lady, he was a bit shy about approaching her but wanted to help. I walked up to her again leaned down and offered my sons assistance, she looked directly at my pin and said "no, I don't need help!" with a snotty look on her face. OUCH! I thought, well good riddance then you bitch!.........sorry I couldn't help the thought.
I was leaving a grocery store once. It was really quiet there with no one in the parking lot and no store workers outside at all. There was a person--- not in the handicapped area, not handicapped--- just struggling with their groceries. I started to help, then saw the W sticker. I put the bag down and said "I'm sorry. Republicans don't believe in helping people. Pull yourself up by your own bootstraps." Then I walked off. They were stunned. Amazing what happends when their policies are shown to them on such a simple, personal level.
I don't regret it, but then again, it was a grocery store. Instead of lifting heavy bags, they could have taken the items out one by one and put them in the trunk.
25. I really don't think the OP is looking to ease her guilt
It sounds like she's upset with herself for the situation and is trying to figure it out. It helps to "figure it out" if you can articulate what you've done and what you feel. I wish more people would examine their behavior in this way.
I actually wondered if I should post this story because I thought perhaps I was doing so to punish myself for what I did. I thought about people flaming me and how much I deserved it. I decided that because I felt the way I did, I would share whether people flamed me or not and that I would not take ridicule as a way to punish myself but rather as a way to accept the truth. I agree, I do deserve guilt. I totally agree.
Thanks for the offer, I will write to you a little later. If you read my first reply to the first poster, I did say I will be helping everyone no matter what in the future. The person that did that today is not who I am. They are the ones that leave people out in the cold, not me. I will have to find a way to make this up. I will not be able to to that person but I will search for a way to help someone else in the next few days - no matter who it is.
19. I'd have definitely done the same thing. I don't know that it is good
for my karma, but that's the way I feel. They don't seem to care about the dead in Iraq, or much of anything except gays not marrying and the rich getting richer.
The funny thing is, I always seem to get a lift or someone stopping to help when my car breaks down. Not republicans that I can remember, though, must be the DU sign and rainbow bumperstickers. I should "pay it forward" I guess...
I could not do it with a glad heart. I would only hope that it would make me a better person for it.
Your mixed emotions of rage, pity, and guilt are completely understandable...there is nothing to be gained by beating yourself up over them. If you feel guilty, vow to do better next time. Although I doubt whether you will change anyone's mind. Just do it because you believe it's the right thing to do.
There will be another opportunity, believe me. There will be many more.
30. I probably would have laughed evilly at her misfortune...
bwa ha ha...maybe bush will chopper in to save you! Except for that she had a kid with her... that would eat at my conscience a little bit. If you feel bad, you can always act differently next time. Don't beat yourself up... we can't always be perfect, but we can get better.
Is it wrong not to help your fellow man? Yes. It is wrong. And demgurl feels badly that she had that moment of judgemental lapse.
But what I love is how they said they would stop and help us... then one mentioned notice how the behavior in NO is different from the "red" areas. So, no, they are no more inclined to help people than their "leader."
If they are such caring people who would pull over and help, why isn't this philosphy reflected in their policies...?
If they want to read here, that is fine but I will not venture into their territory.
I have already been told off by a brother-in-law who did not want to hear details of the torture in Abu. I have been told, by my father-in-law, that he is quite happy with the government torturing people and not to bother him with information about what the administration he voted for is doing. I have been nearly run off the road by a freeper and I have been told to leave this country and go somewhere else.
I have no time for what they have to offer and am ashamed that I copied them. I am the one who always brings food to the food bank. I am the one who protests on the street corner. I write to the editor and try to help my fellow human beings.
This is a new hour and a new start for me. I leave my hate behind because nothing can be accomplished with that. It is only when you truly forgive someone that you yourself are free.
I will not subject myself to anything they have to say.
"They are all psychotics. I need to figure out a way to make money off them."
Ha.. Hey Phantom Lord, you are too fucking stupid to make money off of me.
And for the rest of you freeps, you are all hypocrites. You are saying that you would have stopped to help this old hippy with a DU bumper sticker and a tye dyed shirt? Bullshit.
Here's another great Phantom Lord post:
"4.9% unemployment rate; nearly 70% of America lives in its own house(this is not only a record for America but for the world); we've liberated nearly 50-million-people from the hands of tyrants who treat WOMEN like dirt, and yet there is something wrong with all of these things according to the bleeding heart who wrote this missive about not stopping to help someone in need 'cause of the "W" sticker."
Liberated 50 million people? Then who is shooting at us? The terrorists? LMAO you are as ignorant as you are stupid. Oh and the women? Maybe you missed the new "Iraqi Constitution" where no man made laws are to be above Islamic law. Guess what asswipe, Women are already saying that things are going to be worse for them now than they were under Saddam. How's that for spreading Democracy? You are free, as long as you have a dick. Oh and the employment rate? Um.. hate to break it to you but 90% of new jobs are in the service industry. Good thing you freeps like flipping burgers.
Please put "Free Republic" bumper stickers on your car. That way, if I ever personally see one of you in a situation like this, I can swerve to hit you. I wouldn't care if you are holding a baby or not, you poison everything you touch and are not worthy of the air you breathe.
You are sick, sick, evil people and you deserve whatever the hell happens to you. You are right about one thing, though, I have no compassion. At least not for your kind. All my compassion is being spent on the HUMANS (something you are not) your kind have purposefully set out to maim, kill, and destroy. Everything has its limits, even compassion. You reap what you sow. Enjoy your harvest.
Maybe we can show them how to act if we act properly. When Laura Ingram announced she had breast cancer I did take the high road. I wrote to her and said that I was a Democrat but that I hoped she would be cured. I encouraged other people here to do the same and some said they would.
Just because they act this way does not mean we need to reciprocate in kind. We are the better people. Perhaps we can change a few minds along the way.
40. Unfortunate decision. Understand it was made on emotion, but your
intelligence should have taken over. Regardless of a person's position in life, ideology, etc, we all need to reach out a hand to help when another of us are in need. God forbid you are ever in a dire situation and you are not aided because of who you are. I thought this was exactly the type of lack of character we criticize the conservatives for---their lack of empathy for other human beings. Of course they would feel no guilt, whereas you do, hence the need for you to open yourself to criticism on this forum.
You are right, intelligence should have taken over. And this is one of the few times I could have picked up someone - I never do when my kids are in the car. I will call for help, but I will not expose my kids to anyone I do not know even if it is a cop car by the side of the road. Just so you know, a few years ago people around here were being pulled by fake cop cars so it is not that I am against cops or anything.
Even when I have been attacked by freepers, I have ALWAYS tried to turn the other cheek. When one of them verbally attacked me in front of my kids, I told my kids they should be happy they live in a country with free speech. I did ignore talking about the part where the freeper told me to leave the country.
When a freeper saw my bumper stickers and tried to run me off the road I again ignored it. I turned to trying to convert people I know.
You do not kick someone when they are down and that is something I have strived to insure these past few years. When a person needs help you give it if you can. It was very wrong what I did and I think I will go back to see if her car is still there so I can leave a note with an apology.
A person's character should be judged by how you act when no one is around and my character did not pass that test today. I will say there was a truck parked about 30 feet in front of where she was and I hope if she needed help that those men did help her. They were workers and at first it crossed my mind she might be with them but they were too far up for her to be with them. A gas station was just across the street but that does NOT excuse my actions.
It is what we attack conservatives for and we can not ask something of them that we are not willing to do ourselves. That would be hypocritical.
I hope it will not make her angry at Democrats but I have decided I will be going back and leaving a note of apology on her car.
44. Your anger is understandable. So many dead and dying, we are all angry.
At least those of who actually have compassion for our fellow man. Such a senseless waste of humanity, it can drive any of of a bit batty. And a woman with a flat tire or out of gas, that just doesn't compare with the death and the destruction of people's lives that this administration and its' supporters have brought down around us. As angry as many of us are, it is probably best some of us don't stop, we are only human. The bushbots can help their own just as well as we can. I'm sure she was helped.
That probably doesn't help a lot, maybe just add a little perspective. I have no idea what I would have done if that happened today. After that idiot's smug and clueless pontificating on TV today, I just don't know.
"You have heard that it was said, 'Love your neighbor and hate your enemy.' But I tell you: Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you... If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that? And if you greet only your brothers, what are you doing more than others?" -Matthew 5:43-47
54. i would probably have done the same thing. anything W is soo contaminated!
prior to sonny boy's sitting in the oval office, i'd always give money at the supermarket--money which was earmarked for the salvation army to help feed the poor.
after sonny boy stole the chair at the oval office, a cashier once asked me if i wanted to donate money to help feed the poor... i told him, tell sonny boy to give feed the poor with my tax dollars which he just gave to the rich and unneedy!
and angry too is how i feel about this collecting money from the private sector to help the stranded in NO. why isn't my tax dollar being used for that!?
I passed a lady in an SUV and she had the W04 sticker. someone had already stopped but I asked myself if I would have if they hadn't. I don't think I would've if she was alone but i might if she'd had children. I have a no "W" sticker and what an example it would have set for her and her future frrep kids...maybe.
In fact after actually being able to write it out and think it over, I was 100% wrong and would take it all back if I could. In fact my response, to the first person who answered my post, was that I did wrong and that I will be picking up a person no matter who it is next time. That does fall within reason - I may offer to call the police for a male who is stranded.
I am not someone who usually stops to think about something before helping someone. I just talked to my husband about taking in people from NO who needed help. There were no strings attached as to how people voted, etc.... He did feel uncomfortable since we have two small children so we have donated money and I have contacted someone I know, from NO, to offer any assistance we can give to them or their family.
More sad is what it says about the type of person I chose to be today. Note that I do not blame it on anyone else. I acted that way and it was all my decision - no one else's. I do not care if her car was wallpapered with * stickers, that is no reason not to stop and help someone - EVER!
I guess that is what it is to be human. We do make mistakes - sometimes VERY bad ones but if we are smart then we will learn from them and then we try and become better. If you keep repeating the same mistakes over and over, you do not grow as a human being.
We single out in others what we hate most about ourselves, and criticize it. Likely the "moran" criticizing the OP is deranged herself.
If she's too stupid to recognize that the OP said she felt bad about the incident, she out to turn in her keyboard and quit polluting the internet with her shoddy attempts at introspection. She clearly doesn't have the insight to comment on anything remotely complex.
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Understandable, I suppose. It seems as thought you've beaten yourself up over it enough. You're still carrying this emotion around, this much time later.
That's all there is to it. When a human being won't stop for another human being because of who they voted for it's time to think long and hard! Anyone who says you should have offered on the basis of some guarantee, is basically nasty, I can't ally with that and still be a respectable participant. A lot of my friends here vote Conservative, and a lot vote for Blair, and it's the stuff of life that we all help each other out and pool our opinions.
I would have done the same thing except I would have pulled over and asked her if she supported Bush. If she said yeah, then I would have said, "Then I'm only going to offer your baby a ride, not you." And if she refused, I'd tell her that she could call her little hero in the White House for help then. Then I'd speed off, leaving her behind.
Difference being I wouldn't feel any remorse. I'm beyond that. They are hateful people with hateful beliefs, and it would probably be best if the child was taken away and raised by someone else and she was left to fend for herself. In my eyes, Bush and those who still support him are not even Human. They do not deserve sympathy, pity or any other emotion devoted to humans. They aren't Human because they are incapable of feeling sympathy or pity for others.
I generally don't post but this is so striking I was moved to.
Given what's going on in this country today it's inconceivable that you would do this.
How exactly does leaving a woman and small child stranded demonstrate your superiority over anyone?
People are more than their politics. History is replete with tragic examples from the left and right when society forgets that. When we start denying a person in need their humanity because of a bumper sticker we are going down a very ugly road.
Even if you could not 'lower' yourself to actually help them personally, why not call 911 on your cell?
Who benefited from this non-interaction? Not that woman and her child and certainly not you. I hope your example is a cautionary tale for others.
You didn't help someone in their time of need, and it bothers you! To me, that is a sign of someone who heart is in the right place! It shows you have conscience! I am sure, if the shoe was on the other foot, and you were stranded, that same lady would not have given two thoughts about stopping for you. She probably would not have even looked your way.
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