Keep in mind that this is 90,000 square miles of destruction

[johnnie]

I can't even comprehend how large this whole thing is. I agree that more could have been done before this all took place, but the question now is how to spread out the rescue efforts.
90,000 square miles... The state of Florida is 65,758 square miles.

[phusion]

1. And one MAJOR metropolitan area

that does not have adequate food and water.

Sure, it's 90,000 Sq miles but you have a huge concentration of people in 20 sq miles that have not received aid.

[Redstone]

3. Yes, you're right. The people in the smaller towns, yes, they need help

as well, but at least they're not walking around in a toxic stew.

It would be good if we could put as much effort into this as we did in invading Iraq...

Redstone

[johnnie]

8. The truth is

Iraq was/is as much a clusterfuck as this operation. But I agree.

[johnnie]

5. I understand that

But there are areas such as Biloxi that has also not received aid.

[doublethink]

2. Yea well just feed .....

Air Drop Food/Water to the ones in the 1 square mile at the Convention Center. Is that too much to ask at this point? NO. Peace.

[johnnie]

7. The problem I see with that is this

There was a report on CNN or something where they were begging the NG not to come into the convention center before sending someone in to explain things.
Dropping supplies into an area with thousands of desperate people could cause some extreme chaos, worse than it is now. I don't think a stampede of thousands of people trying ot get to food and water would be a good thing. Just my opinion.

[doublethink]

12. Dude get real ......

your out-thinking yourself. Tell ya what ... just for an experiment, you go without food, water for 4 days. Get back to me ... and why your at it , if you have a small child, woman, grandma available ..... have them there with you, have them do the same thing. I will wait for your call. Let me know how ya doing, okay? :hi: Let me know if you really want to do this and I will leave you my Cell # really .... Peace.

on edit: the people down there aren't STUPID they are not animals. There are thinking BIG GUYS who would control the chaos ...... really. People really can come together in tragedy if other people would just let them. Otherwise who are we to decide life or death. Peace and keep the faith.

[johnnie]

13. Got ya

Now take 25,000 people without food and water for four days and drop a few cases of bottled water and a few hundred loaves of bread in the middle of the crowd.
You stand in the middle and when it's over, you call me and tell me how you are doing....k?

Oh yeah, and keep your grandma and a few of your elderly family members in the middle of the group with ya. :eyes:

[doublethink]

15. Dude what kinda answer is that?

Earlier today that is exactly what happened ..... a helicopter dropped food for about a couple dozen people over the Convention Center for a crowd of like 20,000 ..... what a fucking joke. Did they riot? No ...................................... these are families, loving people , NOT FUCKING ANIMALS ...... all they want is what our government is capable of right now .... MASSIVE FOOD AND WATER DROPS .. plaits to get by as the night falls. People in poverty are some of the most loving, caring, and most humane people on this planet. And unless you have personally experienced that personally ... you won't get it. What else do they live for and learn along the way? Obviously not greed, seriously, good conversation with you, visit a barrio, or project sometime, you may be surprised. Peace.

[johnnie]

16. Dude

I started this as a conversation and I didn't throw accusations and my ego around dude. And then dude, I tried to answer the best I could to the wild experiment you offered dude. And you still reply to me like you have been to New Orleans and are standing there with a laptop knowing what those people are going through dude.
It's funny that most of you are freaking about the chaos in New Orleans, but when I suggest my thoughts on it, the chaos happens to go away for a reply to my post. I take it that the stories of the people on the verge of chaos is untrue?

[doublethink]

21. DUDE ....... huh?

I think you and I can be the best of friends. Really. My best Friends argue shit like this with me all the time. Too funny. Anyway 'the you still reply to me' comment you just made ..... well I had to laugh. What you wanted me to just go away? Leave this thread with you getting the upper hand? :wtf: kinda fighting spirit for what is right would be in that? Sorry if I threw any accusations around here, didn't mean to. You haven't caused any of this tragedy. The 'Chaos' or further tragedy in New Orleans about to happen is what myself and a lot of other people seeing these events unfold on their Tv's is exactly what we don't want to see get any worse. That is all we are saying. The chaos is True. We emphasize with these people. And put ourselves in their shoes. Wouldn't you do the same? Peace. :)

[johnnie]

24. Oh, I don't have the upper hand..LOL

I am just looking at it from a different point of view. There are a lot of people who need these essentials and I think that some need it more than others. I believe that the majority of people will try to take care of the babies and the sick first, but you can't rely on that.
I am just suggesting a more "organized" way of distribution.

[doublethink]

25. Organization is not our responsibility ......

Awarness is .... if our government hasn't got it's 'ducks in line' for this kinda tragedy .... then something needs to change. Do you agree? Look they get paid the big bucks for this shit ...... why re-invent the wheel? Otherwise your comments go unheaded. Be nice, :) Peace.

[johnnie]

26. It's sad that it takes this sort of thing to wake people up

I'm even wondering how many people will open their eyes. How many people out there are still backing the idiot?
I think awareness is our responsibility yes, but sometimes you wonder if anyone listens. I guess some are now.

[doublethink]

29. Peace ..... and hugs ....

Thank's for the conversation. Look forward to working with you and many others here to bring this regime down. All the best. :) Ps: Great Post. :)

[johnnie]

34. Take care

:thumbsup:

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

17. Except that you aren't correct. The past few days they have given people

2 9-ounce bottles of water and 1 MRE per day.
They can distribute THAT NEW food in the same manner as they can distribute those.

Maybe we should raise Jim Jones from the dead...he knew a little about distribution of refreshments.

[LisaL]

22. So, what do you propose? Not drop off the water, and hope they

all dehydrate to death?
Hah?

[johnnie]

23. No

They have to get in there on the ground and get it to the people who need it first. The children and the sick.
All I'm saying is that there are just too many people to just drop things from the sky and expect it all to go well. It's not saying anything against the people themselves, but as has been pointed out, these people are desperate. Some of them will do anything to survive. The little ones don't have a chance if that happens.

[doublethink]

27. THESE PEOPLE ARE NOT FUCKING ANIMALS !!!!!!!!!!!

GET THAT SHIT OUT OF YOUR HEAD ....... PLEASE !!!!!!!!! DAMMIT JOHNNY !!! My nephew's name is Johnny, :wtf: :rofl:

[johnnie]

31. It's not about being "animals"

I have no idea what it is like to be in their shoes right now, but from what I am hearing from the people here and on the news, these people are about ready to explode. There was a report that someone in the convention center was begging the national guard not to go in there until they send someone in that can calm the people.

I'm not saying the people are stupid, animals, freaks or anything like that. I am saying that I have a feeling that their innate survival mechanisms might kick in and they might fight for the supplies. There are little babies there, and people in need of medical attention and the elderly, why put them at more of a risk?
I could be wrong, but this is my feeling on it all.

[doublethink]

36. Alright bud .......

I see your perspective from a frightened American 'suburb' point of view. Me .... from the city, we just differ. The people in the city's will take care of the babies first, women and children, and their own ... no question. Go back to our earlier conversation and put more faith in humanity. The haves just have to give the 'have nots' a little more credit .... really. Just ask um. Peace.

[SofaKingLiberal]

30. The people that are dangerous are roaming the streets with guns

,not hanging around the convention center or SD. Yes, there have been a few reports of violence at these locations, but the vast majority of them are civilized.

[doublethink]

33. I grew up in los angeles .....

whats the difference? Really? Peace. :)

[lyonn]

32. Don't drop supplies, lower them

I've seen that done, like the way they pick up and drop off people. Those people need food and water. I can't imagine dying of thirst and hunger in this country. That is what helicopters were designed for. Good thing the terrorist haven't thought of breaking levies and drowning towns, our country is full of them. Calif. has some dandies. Sorry Johnnie, I am venting. Your are being to kind.

[johnnie]

35. It's okay

This is something that we should never see in this country, in any for that matter.
I think everyone is close to their breaking point and many emotions are being twisted around in our bodies.

I am still in shock watching the footage. I just can't believe it is going on.

[gollygee]

37. None of them have a chance if they don't get some drinking water in there

they can get in there on the ground too but they need to get drinking water in there NOW. Or how about yesterday or hte day before?? There isn't any more time. They need water however it has to get there.

[SofaKingLiberal]

28. Would it be better if they die from dehydration?

[smurfygirl]

4. I completely understand that

but the cordination is at best lacking


and we should have air dropped water and food a long time ago...along with medical kits.

[HereSince1628]

6. True the storm affected a huge area, but the people are concentrated

in the communities and shelters. So the problem is really getting aid to a number of places that at least an order of magnitude smaller, maybe even smaller.

[One_Life_To_Give]

9. You still set fixed distribution points

They should have fixed spots were the trucks with supplies were going to offload. Where the troops can tell people to go for basic supplies, like water. Granted you don't have as much supplies on hand as you need. Not enough trucks, drivers, etc. But...Take the resources ya got, and put them where they will get the best use.

And above all make sure to give people hope. We have an emergency broadcast system in place. It should be getting good use.

[johnnie]

10. Good reply

Once the damage was done they would have to survey where would be the spots and get on it. I don't know how long it would take to find these spots though and then get the supplies there.

[Spazito]

11. bush should have accepted ALL help offered by other countries

immediately instead of saying NO, imo. Those assets would have been those areas helping and allowing more 'feet on the ground' which is what was needed immediately given the vast area of destruction.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

14. Johnnie. I've always treated you civilly but cut it with the apologies

They don't need to be all over the state. There are pockets where emergencies are. If airlines and buslines and trainlines can move people every day of the week and if we can drop a motherfucking bomb through a goddamn fucking peephole..we can move a few thousand people in 5 days.

QUIT ACTING LIKE SO MUCH HAS BEEN DONE WHEN SHIT HAS BEEN DONE.

[johnnie]

18. I think I was just saying that there is a lot of area to cover

And I asked what would be a good way to distribute the relief efforts.
It's only when people try to pull off a bunch of shit on me that I respond in kind.
I am only attempting to start a discussion about the whole situation here. It doesn't take a genius to know that 99% of the people just want to tell you what they think and not listen to what you have to say. That's typical of most people anyway.
I personally think that not enough has been done. There are hundreds of thousands of people that are going through what I wouldn't wish on my worse enemy. But I thought this was a discussion board, I don't see much discussion. It's all opinion.
Reread my OP.

[gollygee]

19. How big was the area hit by the tsunami

somehow people were getting drinking water. And they weren't in a rich country like the US.

[johnnie]

20. Much larger than this

Then again a lot more nations were willing to pitch in and their government was much more willing to accept the help. This idiot and his cronies couldn't run a Yatzee game.