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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 08:25 AM
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Walmart built a store in Hawaii over an ancient Indian burial ground?
Have you ever heard about this?

My sister told me Walmart was building a new store on one of the Hawaiian Islands and as they were digging they found an ancient Indian burial ground. Instead of alerting the authorities (which is what they are suppose to do) they just continued their dig. They brought in freezer trucks and as they found a body they would put it in the truck. AFTER they were finished building their damn store, they told the proper authorities about the burial ground. They told them that they treated the bodies respectfully by putting them in the freezer trucks and they carried them carefully when they did that. :grr: Has anyone else ever heard this story??? Is this really TRUE? :grr:
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livinginphotographs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 08:27 AM
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1. I've seen enough horror movies to know...
That you do NOT build anything over indian burial grounds.
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 08:29 AM
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2. Well, I'm sure Walmart will pay for this.
If the spirits have anything to say about it. :)
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KurtNYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 10:05 AM
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13. "This store has many hearts..."


"This store is clean."
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Dhalgren Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 08:32 AM
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3. Man! What were Indians doing in ancient Hawaii? Were they
American Indians or South Asian Indians? Man!
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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 08:37 AM
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4. Duers: Google is our friend! Here's the story:
Bones to stay on Wal-Mart site

By James Gonser
Advertiser Urban Honolulu Writer

The state has determined that the 42 sets of human remains found during the construction of the Wal-Mart /Sam's Club project on Ke'eaumoku Street will be moved to a reburial site on the property rather than left where they were found or grouped together with other iwi kupuna (ancestral bones) at another location.

The property owner and cultural descendants support the decision by the State Historic Preservation Division, but one Hawaiian group says the state did not follow its own guidelines in handling Hawaiian remains, and the group is considering filing a lawsuit to stop the process.

The decision by the state follows months of meetings with the various groups and a unanimous vote by the O'ahu Island Burial Council supporting the move.
http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/2004/Mar/26/ln/ln12a.html
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MsTryska Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 08:40 AM
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5. yes. the day i heard about this is the day
i stopped going to wal-mart for anything.
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 08:45 AM
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6. The freezer truck story is TRUE?
:grr: I hated Walmart before, but THIS just takes the cake!
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MsTryska Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 09:15 AM
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8. yes.
disgusting isn't it?
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 08:47 AM
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7. Did we learn nothing from the Brady Bunch?
:grr:
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Tabasco_Dave Donating Member (744 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 12:13 PM
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19. LMAO n/t
.
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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 09:41 AM
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9. kick
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Coexist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 09:43 AM
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10. I believe that is illegal.
now - the Hawaiian people need to not shop there out of outrage - forego their $4.00 t-shirts to close the mother down. The only thing that speaks to Wal-Mart is $$$$.
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pookieblue Donating Member (517 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 09:50 AM
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11. found this
http://www.tolerance.org/news/article_tol.jsp?id=1087


<snip> Oct. 15, 2004 -- More than 150 years after they were buried, the remains of Paulette Kaleikini's ancestors now are sitting in a refrigerated trailer behind one of the world's largest and newest Wal-Marts. All she wants is to have them reburied.

The iwi kapuna (ancestral remains) of Kaleikini's ancestors are among 44 such remains unearthed by Wal-Mart in the construction of the retail chain's seventh and largest store on the Hawaii islands. While the store proceeded with a planned opening this week, the remains waited, stored in a "darkened trailer in a secure location on the site," according to a Wal-Mart spokeswoman. <snip>

Just another reason to hate walmart.
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Coexist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 09:59 AM
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12. The Native American Graves Protection and Repatriation Act:
I wonder if this falls under this - it seems to apply to Federal and tribal lands. Any legal minds that can help here?

http://www.cr.nps.gov/nagpra/MANDATES/25USC3001etseq.htm

<snip>
d) INADVERTENT DISCOVERY OF NATIVE AMERICAN REMAINS AND OBJECTS.--(1) Any person who knows, or has reason to know, that such person has discovered Native American cultural items on Federal or tribal lands-after the date of enactment of this Act shall notify, in writing, the Secretary of the Department, or head of any other agency or instrumentality of the United States, having primary management authority with respect to Federal lands and the appropriate Indian tribe or Native Hawaiian organization
with respect to tribal lands, if known or readily ascertainable, and, in the case of lands that have been selected by an Alaska Native Corporation or group organized pursuant to the Alaska Native Claims Settlement Act of 1971, the appropriate corporation or group. If the discovery occurred in connection with an activity, including (but not limited to) construction, mining, logging, and agriculture, the person shall cease the activity in the area of the discovery, make a reasonable effort to protect the items discovered before resuming
such activity, and provide notice under this subsection. Following the notification under this subsection, and upon certification by the Secretary of the department or the head of any agency or instrumentality of the United States or the appropriate Indian tribe or Native Hawaiian organization that notification has been received, the
activity may resume after 30 days of such certification.
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semillama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 10:29 AM
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15. NAGPRA only applies to Federal or Native-owned lands.
It does not apply to private property.

so it does not apply to the Walmart case.

I generally avoid Walmart, but there have been times when I have been working on a field project and the only option for certain minor equipment replacement has been a Walmart. Made me feel OILY and WRONG every time I had to go in.
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 10:20 AM
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14. This is hideous...but...
What the HELL is Hawaii thinking to allow Walmart on their islands?! That was their first mistake, IMO! :freak:
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ArkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 10:31 AM
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16. Poltergeist IV???????
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William Bloode Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 10:40 AM
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17. Not Indians, nor native Americans......
They would be Polynesians. And of course it is a foul move indeed.
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rumpel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 10:51 AM
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18. Why Indians? Any link to story? Natives of Hawaii are not Indians. But
Corporate America never cared much of anything but their bottom line.
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