XM Deal of the year for AAR. Roady2, New Retail Package, $20, No Rebate

[Rosco T.]

I don't know how long this will last.

go to www.ebuyer.com

select the US store.

search for ROADY2.

Brand New Retail Package,
Free Shipping,
No Rebate Necessary,
No Prepaid Service,
No Service Requirement

$20. (+ tax possible)

There is a new RoadyXT coming in November, so places are clearing stocks.

Now, it will go in/out of stock. If you can still add to the cart and buy, that should indicate that more are coming (if not, you won't get charged).

[efhmc]

1. Please explain to me exactly what I have once I have this. How is it

installed? I do loads of driving and want satellite radio. (I do know I have to subscribe once I get the equipment.) Thanks.

[chalky]

3. Hey efhmc, I just checked out the XM website and got lots of info.

Here's the link: http://www.xmradio.com/learn/index.jsp

:)

[Rosco T.]

4. The Roady2 is pretty well self-contained.

You can put the antenna on your dashboard (or on the roof), plug it in you Cig Lighter and it has a wireless FM transmitter built-in (or you can use a cassette adapter and/or direct wired).

There is an optional House Kit that will give you AC Power and a dock for connecting to a stereo.

read more here.... http://www.xmradio.com/roady2/index.jsp

[Nickster]

6. It's actually very easy to install

Just pop the antenna on the roof, run the wire down through the trunk and along the edge of the doors etc. Make sure to read the little book about the antenna positioning, it makes a difference in the signal. I had to move it around the roof a few times until I got a good spot. I took the plastic up along the doors and put the wire in, then screwed it all back down. Then I ran the antenna up along the rug under the dash and up to where my roady is. I did some creative hiding of the antenna wire. I put the roady on the vent mounting that comes with it. The vent mount actually works very well, much better than I expected.

[chalky]

2. Do you know much the montly rate on the subscription service is?

eta: nevermind. Found what I needed to know at http://www.xmradio.com/learn/get_today.jsp

:)

[Rosco T.]

5. $12.95 for the 1st radio on an account, $6.95/mo for each additional. n/m

[chalky]

7. Cool! I think I'll go for it. Thanks! n/t

[Nickster]

8. Here's a little hint for you....:-)

Make sure to call them to activate it. Then mention how your good buddy on DU got his service for 70 bucks for the year and you really want to get that deal too. Oh yeah, and no activation fee either. Hee hee:-)I got my whole year for 70 bucks with no problems, just took a few minutes to get them to ask the supervisor if it was ok to give me the deal.

[in_cog_ni_to]

10. here ya go.

http://www.xmradio.com/get_xm/

[AntiCoup2K4]

9. Thanks. I've been debating whether or not to do XM for a while

....but my AM reception sucks both at home and in the car, and you can't take an internet stream with you .

Just signed up for one of these and they gave me a projected shipping date of 7/20, so I'm guessing that means they either have them in stock or know when they will.

[in_cog_ni_to]

11. I just tried to order 2 of these and they are out of stock

so I cancelled the order. Good deal though! If more are coming into stock, how long does it take on back orders?

I was going to order the Delphi and Boombox from XM (the AAR package they are offering) for $150 today. I may be willing to wait for the Roadie for my car if it doesn't take forever to get it.

[Rosco T.]

12. Did it let you put them in the cart....

and complete the order? It would have back-ordered thme if so

[in_cog_ni_to]

13. Yes. It back ordered the order.

I decided to go ahead and wait for them. I just went back and reordered them. :7 They're gonna think I'm :crazy:

Thanks so much for the info! Now I have to find me some CHEAP, SMALL powered speakers for the house. The Roadie can be hooked up to a stereo or powered speakers, right?

[Rosco T.]

14. Right, there is also a "PlayDock" system available, but...

that sucker costs 10 times the $20! (but sounds really good)...

There is also a Roady 'home kit' that comes with a stand, cables and AC adaptor (poke around Target & CompUSA, they had them there last time I looked..)

[in_cog_ni_to]

15. I'm going to get the home kit, but we'll need powered speakers.

We have no stereo where we want to have the XM and we have to buy either that PlayDock ($200!) or buy the home kit and some cheap powered speakers. I think I can buy 2 sets of the home kit and speakers for the price of the PlayDock. :) We use the satellite radio for AAR and Sirius Left ONLY. Rarely, rarely do we listen to music on it, so sound isn't really THAT important, but I'd like something decent to listen to. I'll see what I can find. I'm good at internet shopping! I'll find something. Thanks for your post. I can't believe that price!

[Cooley Hurd]

16. Fuck XM - as long as they cut Randi's show in half, they can kiss...

...my hairy ass!:thumbsdown:

Despite this, I just bought & activated my XM receiver today (waited until the very last second, since AAR will no longer be on Sirius come Monday). I would feel so much better about it if they didn't hack Randi's show in half and put Ed Schultz in its place. Until they put Randi on for her full 4 hr show, I say FUCK XM (and fuck AAR for making a deal like this w/ XM). The same goes for Mike Malloy's show being hacked in half by Alan (FauxNewsPaycheck) Colmes' show.:thumbsdown::thumbsdown:

[Rosco T.]

17. Patience... July 11th isn't here yet...

all things come to those who wait...

[pstokely]

23. Malloy is off this week

just as the deal takes place

[Rosco T.]

28. S'okay... Mike Malloy has been making on air...

XM Plugs for the past month (during every show)... he'll be back and raring to go..

[OneBlueSky]

18. sorry . . . I like Sirius . . . I'll just have to pass on AAR . . . n/t

.

[pstokely]

19. I'm not spending on dime on XM until they carry the full AAR lineup

[pstokely]

24. buy now, and wait a few weeks

return it if they don't carry the full line up before the return policy ends

[Rosco T.]

30. hell, why bother to return it....

.. sell it on eBay. $20 is dirt, less than a dinner out or a movie.

[pstokely]

35. If massive numbers of people return the units, it would send XM a message

[gollygee]

20. WOOHOO

thanks
!

[gollygee]

21. And I'll add that it said they are not at this time out of stock

it said there were like 1600 or so left.

[Rosco T.]

22. KICK, Roady2's showing BACK IN STOCK (1600+ available)..

$20 with free shipping for full retail package.. you won't beat this deal anywhere...

[smbolisnch]

25. I just ordered one, but to be honest I don't even really know what it is!

My sister keeps telling me I need to get satellite radio, and I assume I will be able to listen to some good radio now, not just the podunk radio we have in this town! Thanks for the link!

[Rosco T.]

27. Oh brother, are YOU in for a culture shock!!!!!

start exploring...

http://www.xmradio.com/programming/programming_main.jsp

[smbolisnch]

32. Wow! Thanks Rosco!

I really am. We have 4 radio stations here, all clear channel.....you can imagine what I am used to! :) I can't wait!

[MelissaB]

26. I'm thinking about this.

I'm tired of only being able to listen on my computer.

:kick:

[Rosco T.]

29. this deal ends TONIGHT (according to their site)...

for $20 you can't lose too much (hell, you'll spend way more than that going to the movies)

[drbtg1]

31. I've seen from this and other threads that you are...

...quite the fan/defender of XM.

From other places on the net, I've seen some people like XM over Sirius because of Opie and Anthony or because of the perception of a more varied playlist on XM.

But I really haven't seen a reason from you as to why you are such a vigorous XM partisan.

No insinuations. Just curious.

[Rosco T.]

33. Fair Question.

It's not necessarly I'm a 'defender of XM'.

I try to do the liberal thing, defend the truth.

People spewed (and still spew) that Clear Channel owns XM.

I found the links that completely disputed and proved it wrong. From the SEC 10Q filings to the NASDAQ website that showed no CLEAR CHANNEL, NO HALLIBURTON investments.

Of course people STILL SPEW THE LIE.

(You'll find a comment from Randi's producer Tim over on her board that says "so what? Randi started on Clear Channel, still gets a paycheck from Clear Channel (her home station is CC) and many CC affiliates carry AAR").

You'll find people that spew that "AAR SOLD OUT, AAR WALKED AWAY FROM SIRIUS"..

well, that's just plain a lie.

AAR, after a year, wanted to be PAID FOR THEIR WORK, just like any other business.

SIRIUS had already sunk $500,000,000 in programming commitments for Stern, Martha, NFL, NASCAR, NHL (whoops!) and (from my industry contacts) threw them a low-ball "take it or leave it" offer.

XM stepped up to the plate, made an EXCEPTIONAL OFFER that will let AAR grow more, add more programming. XM also threw in the use of their brand new, 11 million broadcast facility IN WASHINGTON DC. Right in the beltway. The new AAR show "Politically Direct" originates from the XM studios. AAR can use the Washington studios for 'special event' programming (let's see, how about 2 weeks stints with Morning Sedition, Al, Randi, Sam/Janene, Malloy FROM WASHINGTON DURING THE RUN UP TO THE 2006 elections? With guests just a taxi ride away??) (I have hope for live broadcasts during the IMPEACHMENT HEARINGS also... postive waves).

XM is also going to be joint advertising AAR at XM events and print ads.

XM asked for one thing. Exclusivity.

SO, let's do a little 'business management 101' here.

- XM offers much money for expansion, state-of-the-art broadcast facilities, advertising and 4.5 million (and estimated are 5+ million by end of the year) subscribers.

- SIRIUS offers LESS MONEY, less subs (1.5 million) and industry analysts are saying that Sirius is about to spend itself into deep red ink with all the over-priced programming.

Hmmmmmm..... you figure that one out if you want your network to grow.

People keep kevetching about "XM CHOPS UP THE AAR SCHEDULE".

XM carries ALL except 2 hours of Randi. (and chops off the last 2 hours of Schultz).
Mike Malloy is on a tape delay because of Alan Colmes.

Until the deal, Malloy wasn't on XM at all.

Just like any business, one thing that drives it is CONTRACTS.

XM of course has contacts with Schultz/Colmes. Contract must be honored. As a note, they DID kill last hour of the Colmes replay when Malloy came on, and killed the SECOND last hour when Rachel's new show started.

XM has an empty channel right next to AIR AMERICA 167 (channel 168) about 2-3 weeks ago, the channel BRIEFLY LIT UP and showed "168 AMERICA LEFT" (that's the old 167 channel name before it was re-branded AIR AMERICA).

You can't just stick Schultz/Colmes on a channel by themselves (the horror.. the horror, Colmes live, then a replay, then another replay... AIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!). Takes time to get more programming for another channel.

People want INSTANT GRATIFICATION.

People say "AAR and XM ARE SCREWING US! WHY AREN'T THEY TALKING".

Common business sense and coutresy. Put yourself in SIRIUS's shoes.

AAR is leaving in 'x' days. The on air hosts start talking "HEY! We're LEAVING SIRIUS for a better setup over on XM! Get your XM gear! Hurry, Hurry, Hurry!!!"

How fast would you yank AAR off the service?

So, all that is defending again lies and half-truths thrown out to smear AAR and XM.

Reality Check: if it had gone the other way, XM people would be bitching just like SIRIUS people.

SIRIUS SUBSCRIBERS ARE NOTHING SPECIAL. You pay your money to keep the receiver activated. Period. If the programming changes, you either live with it or move on.

Now, if it had gone the other way, that paragraph would read:

XM SUBSCRIBERS ARE NOTHING SPECIAL. You pay your money to keep the receiver activated. Period. If the programming changes, you either live with it or move on.

Simple basic fact of life. If you DON'T have a station broadcasting AAR, you DON'T have a way to stream them all the time. You WILL buy XM to listen to them if you want to listen to them outside the above conditions. Period. End of Line. No amount of bitching, yelling, name-calling or lying smears will change that.

So on that respect, I'm not defending XM, I'm trying to get across common sense.

On a personal, content and technical level I feel XM is a superior service. Better sound quality on the music, better depth of play lists on the music (spend a few hours listen to DEEP TRACKS). More intelligent spending of programming costs (Baseball is a sport that was BORN on the radio, Football, Hockey, NASCAR are way to visual . Superior hardware, better satutilization (want a hoot? go find the message where the guy was asking about reception in the Chicago area.. you'll see an animation of the XM/Sirius satelites.. what a Rube Goldberg setup).

SIRIUS has bet the farm on Stern and Martha Stewart also and the subs for Howard are going to be REALLY PISSED when they see how it devlops..

Howard Live, 4 days a week, 4 hours/day, Fri-Sun off, 12 WEEKS vacation a year. All the rest is repeats. The other channels Howard will be programming? Oh, those will be PREMIUM CHANNELS.

I listen to O&A some, but not that much, they have the same problem right now that Howard will have, a few hours live and then repeats. That is SUPPOSED to change with Ron & Fez joining them on their channel with a new show, and some other programming comming, but that's taking time also and disappoints me.

But none of that has anything to do with the AAR/XM deal.

So, bottom line.

If you want AAR, you're going to get XM.
If you want Howard, NASCAR, Martha, NFL, NHL, get Sirius.

No law against getting both if you want.
Both services have a free, three-day listen available online.

..and right now, the $20 ROADY2 deal at www.ebuyer.com can't be beat, even if as someone said you just get it now and wait till you see how it shakes out, you could sell it for $40-$50 on ebay. You WILL NOT get a better deal on a receiver in the foreseeable future (the best previous deal was a FREE ROADY2 with $100 of Docker pants).

and no, there's no 'comission' on me saying that, no referral code in that link, and no, I don't work for XM, I don't even own any stock.

But if you're gonna spew lies that have already been debunked, or just want to whine because they changed the programming without consulting you (that's the 'royal you', not you personally), I'm gonna call you down on it and make sure the facts are known.

It's the democratic thing to do.

[cascadiance]

34. But Rosco, "Why do you hate Sirius?"

Everything detail in this message, which DOES have its distortions of the truth is slanted against Sirius. You say you don't work for XM, or you don't have any stock in it. Then why do you care that we feel we aren't getting screwed when we have good reasons to feel that we are and have already given them to you?

I don't want to repeat myself again here, but you really post here like you're on some sort of mission, and if you don't have a personal stake in it, it doesn't make any sense to us. The world doesn't revolve around XM and Air America. There are other choices than what these companies provide, and there are other reasons to not choose them. It really isn't as black and white like you're trying to make it out to be.

From our perspective most of us felt the superior choice for many reasons when we bought into Sirius and we were suddenly told later by edict that we made a bad decision for reasons we couldn't have anticipated. AAR's and XM's using anti-competitive trade practices to try and force us into anteing up yet more cash to buy other stuff that we feel we shouldn't have had to if these companies were treating us in a fair and decent fashion. We feel that we have a right to be upset, and any set of pseudo-rationalization that we shouldn't isn't really going to sit well with us.

You sound like a salesman of XM products or something like that. I don't like spammers and I don't like salesmen constantly trying to argue with my opinions on what I feel is right or wrong with something.

[Rosco T.]

36. And I don't like people that twist my words....

.. you don't like the explanation, tough. It's all you get.

I defy you to show me where I said anything about 'Hating Sirius'.

"If you want AAR, you're going to get XM.
If you want Howard, NASCAR, Martha, NFL, NHL, get Sirius.
No law against getting both if you want"

I don't like people that spam by twisting other people's words. Which you are doing.

I also don't like being called a liar, which you have done by insinuating that I have some financial interest in XM when I say I don't.

It's fair then to say you must have a financial interest in Sirius isn't it?

You see what you want to see and dammed be the facts.

[cascadiance]

37. Actually what many of us want here isn't necessarily AAR....

It is "progressive radio".

And you're trying to make it sound that AAR on XM is the only way to do that. It's not. There is Sirius Left. There is likely another left channel that Sirius will offer. I doubt that XM will offer three channels even though they MAY offer two (which isn't being offered at all yet). I also can get AAR from local affiliates here, which many others can around the country too. I CAN'T get Sirius Left content from local radio stations here! Add that together and if I want to maximize my options for progressive radio, I would argue that it is likely I will get *more* options by sticking with Sirius, and listening to AAR shows that I can through KLSD here locally. Other folks around the country will have similar options.

You are saying that I should only want Sirius if I like Howard, NASCAR, Martha, NFL, or NHL games. Are you seriously trying to tell me that those are the only channels I would want to listen to on Sirius? I listen to hardly ANY of those. Maybe a Chargers game once in a while, but that's it. I listen to it for many other stations as well. You're basically being disengenous if you are trying to say that's all I can get from Sirius. And when you do that, it sounds like you have something against Sirius. Why do you worry what I and others want here!?

No, I've worked for a company that at one time had a legal dispute about a name copyright issue with XM. That's been long resolved, and wasn't much of anything, but the fact they brought suit against us for something that was pretty far reaching kind of p'd me off. But like I said, I'd already been sold on Sirius long before that. My company wouldn't have necessarily had any more of a partnership with Sirius than it would with XM, and hasn't had any relationship with either to this point. I recognize that this is more of a personal issue for me than it is for anyone else, and it is pretty low on my list anyway.

And I've acknowledged where some folks might want to have XM for some things, including myself (my college team having games covered by XM). But when I added everything up, I still felt like Sirius worked better for me (both quality of programming and the way I've been treated). I got credit back for time I lost when my car and car stereo were stolen in the middle of my subscription and got the time I'd lost later when I added Sirius back on the newer car I bought.

Now I've been pretty straight with you about *all* of my reasons to feel the way I do, I'd appreciate not trying to distort and play hard salesman for XM. I'd like to step back and not necessarily be an advocate of either of these services just yet until we see them both come out with their full offerings later and try to understand why AAR decided it was more valuable to them to just get cash than keep loyal customers of theirs on Sirius (which was really what the deal was all about). Then I'd like to objectively look at both and see how they measure up. I personally feel more inclined to keep Sirius (especially for my own personal situation). I can see how others might go for XM, and I'll respect that. I still feel it premature to rush and buy anything from *either* company yet until we know more what is being offered. We just learned the hard way what buying into something the wrong way can give (or make that "take away from") you...

I'm sorry if I'm sounding a bit contrarian to you, but I really don't like being "sold" stuff on message boards.

[Rosco T.]

38. You either don't listen, or don't read very well...

You Said:

"And you're trying to make it sound that AAR on XM is the only way to do that. It's not. There is Sirius Left."

However I said:

"Simple basic fact of life. If you DON'T have a station broadcasting AAR, you DON'T have a way to stream them all the time. You WILL buy XM to listen to them if you want to listen to them outside the above conditions. Period. End of Line. No amount of bitching, yelling, name-calling or lying smears will change that.

If you want AAR, you're going to get XM."

I SPECIFICALLY SAID AAR, AIR AMERICA. Sure Sirius has Sirus Left, with the two centerpieces being SCHULTZ AND COLEMS, the same people that the Anti-XM folks are bitching about. I personally think the Sirius Left lineup sucks with the exception of Thom Hartmann (chopped to 1 hours) and the Young Turks. But that's the first thing I've said in any thread of my OPINION of Sirius Left.

You Said: "You are saying that I should only want Sirius if I like Howard, NASCAR, Martha, NFL, or NHL games. Are you seriously trying to tell me that those are the only channels I would want to listen to on Sirius?"

I Said: "If you want Howard, NASCAR, Martha, NFL, NHL, get Sirius."

Enought with the Oral-gami (ancient art of word twisting). Those channels are EXCLUSIVE to SIRIUS, If anyone want's to listen to them, you have no choice, buy SIRIUS.

You said: "I'm sorry if I'm sounding a bit contrarian to you, but I really don't like being "sold" stuff on message boards."

I don't need to sell anyone, anything.. you totally went past my original message and once again try to paint me as a salesman. Nice way to prove my point about people that want to twist words. Would you care to tell me how you can get AAR without a local station or full time streaming without XM? Not Sales, common sense. If you want it, you get it, if you don't care, you don't.

Can't make it plainer than that.

But I will not tolerate people lying and smearing just to put XM down. (I again say, show me where I said DON'T BUY SIRIUS!, I said if you want "a" you buy "A", want "b" buy "B", want both, buy both.

[cascadiance]

39. OK, I'll still bite here for a little longer...

You wrote:

"If you want AAR, you're going to get XM."

I would say that many can get AAR on live stations. They can. What's so hard to understand about this. I will get one more live hour of Mike Malloy here on KLSD (they do carry one hour of his show live here) than I will get from XM (for the lineup that XM is CURRENTLY committed to). So I still get better offerings of Mike Malloy over the air than through XM. And what you don't state here is podcasting. A lot of us here have acknowledged that our only other option might be to do podcasting. When we're talking about Mike Malloy's or Randi Rhode's shows, that still might be better than what XM would offer us now with Malloy's show being delayed anyway and two hours of Randi's show not being available at all.

You wrote:

"SPECIFICALLY SAID AAR, AIR AMERICA. Sure Sirius has Sirus Left, with the two centerpieces being SCHULTZ AND COLEMS, the same people that the Anti-XM folks are bitching about. I personally think the Sirius Left lineup sucks with the exception of Thom Hartmann (chopped to 1 hours) and the Young Turks. But that's the first thing I've said in any thread of my OPINION of Sirius Left."

I challenge you to find *ONE* Sirius fan that has said that Schultz and Colmes is the "feature" of Sirius Left. I have plenty more on besides them that I'd prefer listening to. And then again, why should I get XM when I'd also get them (as the featured artists there? :) ). I'll say AGAIN, as has others have here, that it is too early for people to make intelligent buying decisions of what service to get now when neither has their final cards on the table. You are doing people a disservice by trying to persuade them to get XM this weekend if they express concern that they "aren't sure yet of what is being offered".

If it were me, I say it is fine to alert us that this deal exists, but let people know all of the details and then drop it. Say here it is if you want it, and don't be concerned on whether they get it or not. If it works for some folks, great! If not, let them wait until they feel comfortable making a good decision. Don't try to argue that all Sirius has is Schultz and Colmes. That is lame! And anyone who knows that Sirius now has an extra set of channel space knows that it's a no-brainer option for Sirius to move Thom Hartmann to his 9:00 aM to noon live slot in the morning if they want to grab audience away from Al Franken (which NOW they'll want to do once Franken isn't in their offerings). Same for Stephanie Miller, which you neglect to mention here.

I could also want more NPR talk which I don't get from XM too. You've neglected to mention that, which is probably more of interest to a progressive listener than NASCAR, NFL, NHL, Howard, or Martha. Or for a gay customer, which I'm not by the way, someone might want Radio OutQ, which has progressive programming on it too. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I've not heard of such a channel on XM.

Note that I'm not trying to go on the offensive to smash XM proramming here. I'm only responding to your mischaracterization of what Sirius offers, because I want to see others not get hurried into buying something they shouldn't and being unhappy making a similar mistake that some of us have now felt that we might have made in buying Sirius for AAR content (I wasn't one of those people, as I bought into Sirius before AAR existed).

Can we just drop the rush sales jobs now and wait until both services say what they are really going to offer soon? You and I are only conjecturing here, and we're not really accomplishing much. If someone wants to take advantage of that cheap XM hardware deal, so be it, but it's just as valuable that some folks might want to know about something from Alpine that lets them switch to either service or get both too (which is what I'd buy if I had to buy newer hardware) to avoid this exclusive content ping pong game that these companies are forcing us to play.

[Rosco T.]

40. You went to the Karl Rove school of quotation didn't you??

You partially quoted: "If you want AAR, you're going to get XM."

However the full statement was:

"Simple basic fact of life. If you DON'T have a station broadcasting AAR, you DON'T have a way to stream them all the time. You WILL buy XM to listen to them if you want to listen to them outside the above conditions. Period. End of Line. No amount of bitching, yelling, name-calling or lying smears will change that.

If you want AAR, you're going to get XM."

and with that, I'll leave this, you've made up your mind that I'm selling something..

well, maybe I am. It's called common sense and the truth. Buy what you want, you'll hear only what you get.

[cascadiance]

41. Well, you're doing the same thing sir!

You just omitted my line that ANYONE can get a portable MP3 player (Ipod or the like) and podcast AAR content on their radio. What are "the above conditions"? You seem to have edited them out, both here and in your earlier quote, so I have no idea what you are trying to qualify your statement as saying there. When I see a definitive statement such as "If you want AAR, you're going to get XM." that is something I'm going to take issue with. Because that statement doesn't have any qualifiers in it and is in a separate paragraph as if it stands on its own without qualification.

Why do you care whether I or others here buy XM or Sirius. Shouldn't you care more that we buy what works best for us? Each person's situation is different. I've already said that for some XM might be a better choice. For others it very well could be Sirius. Please let's not argue about "the truth", when none of us really knows "the truth" yet, unless you aren't being honest on whether you work for them or know their future plans definitively. You still don't know Sirius's plans in that instance, so you still don't know "the truth" of the whole competitive situation.

Well, that's it for me. I've already chewed up way too much time on this conversation.

[drbtg1]

42. However...

You say you are "not necessarly I'm a 'defender of XM'", although I've seen a thread where you go through the fine print of SEC-type documents to find that ClearChannel doesn't have a current business relationship with XM (although they used to when they were getting off the ground). That alone would be a kind of DU thing to do and a quality I appreciate about DU, but that does take some effort.

But here you start a thread to essentially promote a XM deal for the consumer. Notably, on the eve of the AAR signal getting cut off of Sirius.

I seen enough threads here to know that whenever I see a thread about the AAR-XM deal, chances are I'll see at least one post from you there. Nothing wrong with that, particularly since you tend to bring facts to support your arguments. However, this experience that you have here should allow you to become privy to a sense that a certain population of DU'ers feel that they got screwed.

Post #31 makes the argument that this is a cut-and-dried business deal that was easy to make. Well, I'm sure you can understand that many DU'ers made a business deal with Sirius, buying equipment and services, based on the programming of AAR. Not only did Sirius carry the entire line-up of AAR, but AAR representative Ms. Randi Rhodes herself, during AAR programming, told listeners to get Sirius instead of XM. I'm fairly certain quite a few attorneys would find the potential for a class-action lawsuit here against AAR (and possibly XM as a co-defendant).

Maybe there's a Sirius clause out there saying programming can change without notice, but that would better protect Sirius from a lawsuit, not so sure about AAR. This was an AAR decision, not Sirius, to go exclusive when exclusive may have had some perks but not completely necessary. Maybe this business deal isn't so cut-and dried after all.

Now, am I going to start this type of action against AAR? No. But I am just one DU member/Sirius subscriber that came up with this scenario as a result of a certain bitterness against AAR. Based on your posting history, I know you've encountered this bitterness from a considerable amount of other DU members as well.

Despite this environment here at DU, you started a thread, with unusual timing, to post what is essentially an advertisement. I find that rather....odd.

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43. My apologies

It should say post #33, not #31.