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Jo March Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-05 02:51 PM
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My reply to some God spam
My friend sent me some God spam. She is a Dem but this just floored me. I hate this kind of stuff and I'm a Christian! When people use 9/11 to try and force religion on everyone, it makes me mad!

Also, I can't imagine being a non-believer and getting this kind of message. This is not the way to convince non-Christians that Christianity is a loving religion!!

The original email is at the end if you want to read it. It's barf-inducing.

My reply:

Christine,

I don't believe that we have to "allow" God anywhere. True Christians are told to carry God in their hearts. There is no - there can be no law against carrying God in your heart. To suggest that my God is so small that the law has to legislate Him into schools is blasphemy according to the teachings of the Bible. Madeleine Murray O'Hare had nothing to do with the prayer in school ruling.

9/11 did not happen because there isn't prayer in the schools or because government won't force religion upon us all. 9/11 happened because a few zealots decided that they would punish Americans because we don't believe the way that they do - in other words, Americans believe in freedom of religion and freedom of speech. Islamic fascists decided that Americans were a threat to them and their religion. They wanted one religion: theirs and theirs only.

I believe in the Bible. I am a Christian. I also believe in the Constitution - the one that I swore to uphold and defend from enemies both foreign and domestic when I enlisted in the US Army. The Bill of Rights affords me the right to worship or not worship as I see fit and it guarantees me that the government cannot tell me how and when I can worship. I love that about my country.

I love that fact that I can worship God and carry Him in my heart throughout the day. I love the fact that I can pray to Him in my closet as Jesus instructs all of us to do and not shout it from the streets as the hypocrites do. I love that I can sing Psalms to Him without forcing someone who doesn't believe in Him to march lockstep to what I believe.

I would rather live in a land where I can worship freely without government intervention than in a land where there is prayer in the schools and forced prayer everywhere else like Iran or Afghanistan under the Taliban.

I can understand the sentiment behind this - we should all love Christ and God and be better Christians but there is an underlying current in this message that scares me. I do not want government to regulate my religion. I don't want the schools to regulate my child's religion. If the government endorses religion, what makes us think that it will be the religion that we follow?

It is my job and the job of my church to teach my children right from wrong, not the government. It should stay that way.





From: My Dem friend
Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2005 3:21 PM
Subject: Good reminder

In light of the many perversions and jokes we send to one another for a laugh, this is a little different: This is not intended to be a joke, it's not funny, it's intended to get you thinking.

Billy Graham's daughter was interviewed on the Early Show and Jane Clayson asked her "How could God let something like this happen?" (regarding the attacks on Sept. 11).

Anne Graham gave an extremely profound and insightful response. She said, "I believe God is deeply saddened by this, just as we are, but for years we've been telling God to get out of our schools, to get out of our government and to get out of our lives.

And being the gentleman He is, I believe He has calmly backed out. How can we expect God to give us His blessing and His protection if we demand He leave us alone?"

In light of recent events...terrorists attack, school shootings, etc. I think it started when Madeleine Murray O'Hare (she was murdered, her body found recently) complained she didn't want prayer in our schools, and we said OK.

Then someone said you better not read the Bible in school . the Bible says thou shalt not kill, thou shalt not steal, and love your neighbor as yourself. And we said OK.

Then Dr. Benjamin Spock said we shouldn't spank our children when they misbehave because their little personalities would be warped and we might damage their self-esteem (Dr. Spock's son committed suicide). We said an expert should know what he's talking about. And we said OK.

Now we're asking ourselves why our children have no conscience, why they don't know right from wrong, and why it doesn't bother them to kill strangers, their classmates, and themselves.

Probably, if we think about it long and hard enough, we can figure it out. I think it has a great deal to do with "WE REAP WHAT WE SOW."

Funny how simple it is for people to trash God and then wonder why the world's going to hell. Funny how we believe what the newspapers say, but question what the Bible says.

Funny how you can send 'jokes' through e-mail and they spread like wildfire but when you start sending messages regarding the Lord, people think twice about sharing.

Funny how lewd, crude, vulgar and obscene articles pass freely through cyberspace, but public discussion of God is suppressed in the school and workplace.

Are you laughing?

Funny how when you forward this message, you will not send it to many on your address list because you're not sure what they believe, or what they WILL think of you for sending it. Funny how we can be more worried about what other people think of us than what God thinks of us.

Pass it on if you think it has merit. If not then just discard it... no one will know you did. But, if you discard this thought process, don't sit back and complain about what bad shape the world is in!!








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meegbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-05 02:53 PM
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1. Amen!
What a wonderful response!
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Jo March Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-05 03:24 PM
Response to Reply #1
17. Thanks.
These emails really are starting to annoy me, especially in today's climate.
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Tux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-05 12:31 PM
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50. Now Christians feel how non-Christians
Feel with those emails come in, tracts are found in "godless" books about Buddhism, Linux, Zen, etc. Time to real in the insanity is now.
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getmeouttahere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-05 02:56 PM
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2. I want to forward your reply....
to anyone who has ever sent me anything remotely like that "barf-enducing" email you got...Thanks a million!

In fact, I think I have rec'd that email before!
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Jo March Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-05 03:13 PM
Response to Reply #2
9. Please do. This is the first time I've ever replied to one
I've always let these things kind of slide to the trash bin. Not anymore. I have to nip this stuff in the bud.

They are really trying to use 9/11 as a bully club. It's disgusting and immoral, IMHO, and I refuse to stand for this anymore!!
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Kenneth ken Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-05 02:58 PM
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3. nice reply
:thumbsup:
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Dervill Crow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-05 02:59 PM
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4. Amen to a wonderful reply.
I have love and respect for a great many Christians, but the attemped high-jacking of Jesus for political purposes breaks my heart. So many people forward those e-mails on without really thinking about what they say just because they feel it is the "Christian" thing to do.

You gave your friend some good food for thought. Keep sowing those seeds. :yourock:
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Jo March Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-05 03:24 PM
Response to Reply #4
16. It's a guilt chain
They send it because they think that Jesus won't love them if they don't send it. That is ridiculous. It's all to easy to forward a "Christian" sounding email but it's not so easy to actually practice what Christ teaches.

Sigh. It's a battle but I'm going to fight on.

This is why I love DU. There are so many different opinions here and we all manage to get along most of the time. ;)
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kliljedahl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-05 03:02 PM
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5. Boondocks ran a nice series a while back on that
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Jo March Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-05 03:14 PM
Response to Reply #5
11. I love that!
kliljedahl, if you are ever down near Charlotte, NC, let me know. My hubby used to be a cook at a Bar-be-que restaurant in Lexingon, NC and we will have you over for some mouth-watering pork shoulder, baked beans, slaw and all of the fixin's!
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kliljedahl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-05 03:27 PM
Response to Reply #11
19. Sounds good
I have an aunt & uncle that live in Flat Rock, NC. Anywhere near you?


Keith’s Barbeque Central
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Jo March Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-05 03:46 PM
Response to Reply #19
22. It looks to be up in the mountain area
So it's about 3 3 1/2 hours away from me by best estimate.
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kliljedahl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-05 07:31 AM
Response to Reply #11
32. Back on it again, here's todays
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DemBones DemBones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-05 03:08 PM
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6. Good reply to a bizarre e-mail.

As best I recall, Dr. Spock didn't actually say NOT to spank your kids, he just tried to get parents to think of other approaches and not resort to spanking as often.
My mother bought his "baby book" back in the early fifties, a full ten years before Madalyn Murray O'Hair's suit led to the Supreme Court decision against school-sponsored prayer. The spam suggests O'Hair's influence came before Spock's, which is incorrect.

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dkofos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-05 03:11 PM
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7. I received that e-mail shortly after 9/11
I did a reply all (nearly 100 addies) and told them what I really thought. It wasn't as nice as your response.

Needless to say I never received e-mail from them again.
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Jo March Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-05 03:22 PM
Response to Reply #7
15. I can't stand this type of stuff
I won't ignore it any longer. It is an affront to my beliefs not to mention it's annoying.
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classof56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-05 03:11 PM
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8. A fellow Christian says: Great response, arnheim!
You are right on the mark--if we end up with a state religion, just which one will it be? I shudder to think what will happen if Dobson, Robertson, Falwell, Bauer, Reed, and all those other rightwingers get their hands on the reins. Even they can't agree on certain many theological points.

I get these kinds of messages often and just shake my head and click on "delete". From now on, I'll use your remarks to craft a reply that just might get through to those who send them. I doubt it, but we gotta try!

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Jo March Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-05 03:20 PM
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13. We do have to try. I'm going to take my religion back
Can you imagine the ignorance of folks? They think that if there is prayer in the schools, it will be their prayers. Right. The government will find some way to make it horrible for all and fufilling for none.

Don't sit idly by. Tell them how hypocritical this type of drivel is. That's why I added the part about Jesus teaching us to pray in our closets. :)
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FizzFuzz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-05 09:42 PM
Response to Reply #8
31. Read May issue of Harpers--"Christian Assault on America "
and "Hate Radio" Or Hate Talk...?

I know I've got the two titles wrong, but close enough....find the May issue or go to Harpers online. You can't miss them.

Scary, Scary movement. Twisted, hateful, deluded, fanatical, not afraid to hurt people while convincing themselves they're walking in the footsteps of the lamb (yechh. They're more in tune with the BLOOD of the lamb, far as I can see.) and they have loads of followers, and loads of money, and direct lines to political power. The head honcho pastor phone conferences weekly with Emperor Smirky.

You have to read those articles. I'm serious!
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Jo March Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-05 08:25 AM
Response to Reply #31
40. I'll go look for it
Of course, I have seen these folks up close and personal. They scare the crap out of me. They are so filled with hatred for this country and for non-Christians - something that Jesus would rebuke them for if He were here.
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classof56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-05 10:29 AM
Response to Reply #31
48. Thanks for the reference. I'll read them.
I'm seeing more reasonable evangelical Christians willing to step up and speak against the RW wackos. Gives me heart!
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immoderate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-05 03:13 PM
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10. A good reply.
I hope you hit "Reply to all"

--IMM
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alpizzy Donating Member (737 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-05 03:19 PM
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12. I hope you replied to all! (n/t)
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Jo March Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-05 03:21 PM
Response to Reply #12
14. But of course. That's the only way to reply!
;)
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alpizzy Donating Member (737 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-05 03:26 PM
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18. Excellent!!!! (n/t)
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Worst Username Ever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-05 03:30 PM
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20. Bravo
I agree with you 100%
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FizzFuzz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-05 03:44 PM
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21. I voted this for Greatest, because your response is so perfect.
I get frustrated when I can't think of a good response; I really like to see good examples like this.

Thank you for saying what I wish I could, but sometimes can't find the right words.
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Jo March Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-05 03:48 PM
Response to Reply #21
23. Wow. Thanks.
I get tongue-tied as well. I let my anger and frustration clog my brain a bit sometimes. I just took a breath on this one and typed what I felt.

Feel free to copy and paste. I do that with stuff here on DU. It makes me look good and I come across as intelligent! lol
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FizzFuzz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-05 03:52 PM
Response to Reply #23
24. :) Yeah, me too.
And it IS easier when you have time to reply in email. I just posted asking for help because I was stuck in lousy memory/frustration/anger in a conversation with an Evangelical at work.

Oh heck I'm not gonna try to describe what I just posted. I need to get going. If you see my post, have a look. Maybe ya can even help me out! ;)

:hi:
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Jo March Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-05 03:56 PM
Response to Reply #24
25. I'll have to look for it tonight
when I get home from work. I'm fixing to leave in a few minutes.

It's "hard work" dealing with fundies!
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FizzFuzz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-05 06:22 PM
Response to Reply #25
26. oy, it makes me nuts.
I'm surrounded by them.

The weirdest thing, sometimes, is when I like the person as an individual, but knowing how their politics and the cruelty and just palin frickin evil they support, without a clue that they are behind the destruction of this country and the Death Cult and the jihad against a pluralistic nation.....I hold it in and avoid talking politics, but the pressure of holding in what I know, and knowing I can't change their minds, and thinking, If only I knew the right words or could find the right fact, if only I didn't forget details...blah blah blah. Then, I go stark raving nuts.

As you can see, it makes me want to jump through a plate glass window.

ARG!
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PA Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-05 07:52 AM
Response to Reply #23
33. Thanks arnheim! I will bookmark your intelligent and reasoned
response for the next time someone sends me such drivel. It was perfect.
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Jo March Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-05 08:20 AM
Response to Reply #33
37. Thanks. It is drivel
Look, I love the Lord as much as the next Christian but I don't send stuff like this out through email. I don't believe that emails like this do anything to help teach folks about Jesus. If anything, it scares and guilts people. That is totally wrong, IMO.
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NMMNG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-05 06:24 PM
Response to Original message
27. Bravo!
Recommended!

The original is indeed barf inducing :puke:

I love your reply!
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peacebird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-05 07:25 PM
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28. What a PERFECT response!
Brilliant! I will also save and use it if you don't mind?
Thank you.
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Jo March Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-05 08:22 AM
Response to Reply #28
38. Please feel free to use it and add whatever you'd like
I hope to stop this kind of stuff.

Maybe I should start sending out the Beatitudes. That would really tick the fundies off as they seem to hate those verses.
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LeftyMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-05 07:29 PM
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29. Dr Spock didn't have a son, if I recall
Edited on Thu Jun-16-05 07:32 PM by LeftyMom
I read his book when LK was a baby and it talks about how his first parenting experience was raising his teenage stepdaughter relatively late in his life, and how that made him reevaluate some of his previous recommendations.
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-05 11:32 AM
Response to Reply #29
49. He had two sons, but neither has committed suicide yet:
"... both children of Dr. Benjamin Spock are still alive, even though the doctor himself is no longer with us. Dr. Spock had two sons by his first marriage: Michael, a museum director, and John, who studied architecture and became the owner of a construction company ..."
http://www.snopes.com/medical/doctor/drspock.htm

"... Contrary to popular rumor, Dr. Spock's son did not commit suicide. Spock has two children, Michael, a Boston's Children's museum director, and Peter, an owner of a construction company, both of them still alive ..."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benjamin_Spock

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donheld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-05 07:38 PM
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30. Good for you
Your response was very well said.
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graywarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-05 07:59 AM
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34. I love it when they assume God is a he.
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-05 08:02 AM
Response to Original message
35. good answer...
Edited on Fri Jun-17-05 08:05 AM by annabanana
I usually just delete this nonsense.. but if it's from someone I care about, I've wished I had a well written response
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Jo March Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-05 08:24 AM
Response to Reply #35
39. This woman is a friend of mine
I was quite annoyed at the message and at her for sending it. She knows that I hate this kind of drivel.

I'm sure that no one will actually read what I wrote but whatever. I'm tired of this type of crap.

What would Jesus do, indeed. He wouldn't use a tragedy to win over hearts and souls. I know that much for sure.
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-05 08:04 AM
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36. Excellent response.
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Mad_Dem_X Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-05 08:30 AM
Response to Original message
41. Excellent reply!
I consider myself a Christian, but I can't stand emails like this. Your response was right on the money.
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BiggJawn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-05 08:46 AM
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42. You make some great points, arnheim!
Edited on Fri Jun-17-05 08:51 AM by BiggJawn
Maybe you'll give a few of the 1500 people your "friend" sent that screed to pause for thought.

Indeed, if we have a State-Approved Religion, just exactly WHO'S religion will it be? Billy Graham? Richard Roberts? Fred Phelps? Eastern Orthodoxy? James Dobson? Reformed Judaism? Lubavitcher? Obviously, it can't be Isalm, because that religion is "Of the Devil", as is Quakerism, UU, and the other Pacifist beliefs....

Besides, your friend has it wrong. Jerry Foul-Well and Pat "Diamond" Robertson both agreed that 11 September happened because we as a Nation tolerate Queers, Witches, single moms and people who just don''t want to get up early on sunday morning...

I LIKE it that I live in a country where I don't have to be spiritually dishonest in order to survive.
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Jo March Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-05 09:18 AM
Response to Reply #42
45. I agree - government will not do a good job regulating religion
LOL, it will be a cluster if ever there was one!

BTW, do you have special powers that allows you to post THREE times at once?? Wow. Maybe we should add that to the list and email that out:

"And BiggJawn posted three times with one 'Post Message' command and that is why kittens have to die."
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BiggJawn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-05 01:05 PM
Response to Reply #45
55. The Power of the Post...
"his computer's Kung Fu VERY strong!"
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BiggJawn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-05 08:47 AM
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43. The dreaded Dopple-poster!
Edited on Fri Jun-17-05 08:49 AM by BiggJawn
Buggy damn thing!
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BiggJawn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-05 08:47 AM
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44. The dreaded TRIPLE post!
Edited on Fri Jun-17-05 08:50 AM by BiggJawn
Didn't you get the FIRST time, Admiral Poindexter?
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Liberal Veteran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-05 09:23 AM
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46. I always reply with the same quote from Jesus on this one....


"And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners that they may be seen by men. I tell you the truth, they have already received their reward. But when you pray, enter into your closet, and after you have shut the door, pray to your Father in secret; and your Father, Who sees what is done secretly, will reward you openly(Matthew 6:5-6)."
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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-05 09:25 AM
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47. Ask your friend "Why is your God such an asshole?"
Stumps them every time.
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Tux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-05 12:39 PM
Response to Reply #47
52. Another question
"If your faith is so strong and you are sure you're right, why try to convert others so you can feel more comfortable and secure with yourself?"
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BiggJawn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-05 12:58 PM
Response to Reply #47
54. Do you think it's because so many of them had abusive fathers?
That they have to ascribe those attributes of capricousness and unpredictable anger and abuse to their Deity, as well?

"Do we serve a WIMPY GAWD??? Oh, NO! WE serve an ass-kicking, no-bullshit, ANGRY LAWD! VENGENCE IS MINE, SAYETH THE LORD!!!!"

What is it with this guy? He's supposed to be omnipotent. He creates us, sets us up like mofos with that talking snake and his apple, then He gets PISSED at us because we acted EXACTLY as he KNEW we would. and He KNOWS what we're going to do every day, and yet He's STILL angry with us. 6,000 years, and he's still pissed at us. We've killed in His name, burned people at the stake, ripped them to pieces alive, destroyed nations, and he's STILL pissed? We just can't do ANYTHING right, can we?

Fukkim. That's why I only call my own father once a year or so...
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FizzFuzz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-18-05 05:36 AM
Response to Reply #47
57. Heh heh heh--good one! n/t
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youspeakmylanguage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-05 12:35 PM
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51. spam is spam is spam
It doesn't matter what the subject or intention. If your friend is sending you crap like this, then you need to ask her to stop. Tell her there is no need for her to forward you anything that has been mass e-mailed to her. If she refuses to stop, block her email address.
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-05 12:49 PM
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53. same email that I got in Feb 2003
I hit a "reply to all" and attacked the war in Iraq and Bush's economic policies, and I was taken off the list.

I started like this:

02/11/03

It is not funny how a belief in God, a God of love, no less, gets translated into social policy.

1. Drop a billion tons of explosives on Iraq
2. cut taxes for the wealthy
3. reduce wages, benefits and workplace safety
4. eliminate an already ineffective social safety net
5. through tax cuts and military spending, bankrupt the safety net for seniors
6. eliminate civil rights and strengthen the police state
7. create a state religion, worshipping an unsmiling, humourless, unforgiving, ascetic war-god

I think the Graham's message was obscene, but I would like to hear from people who think that JR Bush is governing the way Jesus would want. I just read that Bush said he prays and reads the Bible every day, but I still feel that he is probably the anti-Christ...
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mcscajun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-05 05:45 PM
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56. You Completely Ignored the last paragraph; Good for You!!!
"Pass it on if you think it has merit. If not then just discard it... no one will know you did. But, if you discard this thought process, don't sit back and complain about what bad shape the world is in!!"

Translation: If you agree, ok; otherwise, shut up.

And you didn't do either: Bravo.

:applause:
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