Leave it to Ted.....WHERE'S JOHN KERRY?

[Logician]

And so WHERE'S JOHN KERRY ON THIS IMPORTANT ISSUE? As usual, John promised action, but once again.... and again....



From Raw Story: http://rawstory.com/news/2005/Kennedy_speaks_out_on_Downing_Street_Memo_Twisted_intelligence_Distorted_f_0607.html


The following was released by Senator Ted Kennedy (D-MA) on the Downing Street Minutes this morning. Kennedy becomes the first senator to raise the issue in the Senate, after earlier reports that Massachusetts' junior senator, John Kerry, would speak about the minutes in Washington.

“The contents of the Downing Street Minutes confirm that the Bush Administration was determined to go to war in Iraq, regardless of whether there was any credible justification for doing so. The Administration distorted and misrepresented the intelligence in its attempt to link Saddam Hussein with the terrorists of 9/11 and Osama bin Laden, and with weapons of mass destruction that Iraq did not have.

"In addition, the Downing Street Minutes also confirm what has long been obvious – that the timing of the war was linked to the 2002 Congressional elections, and that the Administration’s planning for post-war Iraq was incompetent in all its aspects. The current continuing crisis is a direct result of that incompetence.

[truebrit71]

1. He must be reporting for duty somewhere else...

:eyes:

[extropianDreams]

75. TIME TO GET REAL!!

John Kerry is like every career politician - they only care about the Status Quo. 99% reelection of incumbents on both sides just proves that the bi-polar nature of the two party system may create fantastic mood swings but in the end the rich get richer and the poor get poorer. that phreakin' BS intro at the DNC was absolutely IDIOTIC!
why focus on proper service as a soldier when war is OBSOLETE!

why focus on proper service as a soldier when war is OBSOLETE!

forget about the death and destruction for a moment. there is and never will be a positive outcome of war; esp. when it is an IMPERIALIST OCCUPATION! this action is one of short-sighted greed and xenophobia.

I mean, Kerry was just the safe choice because Dean has already been crucified in the media. take a moment and recall just how phukt up the memetics were. I mean, gosh, we can't have a politician get too excited about taking on the evil empire, right?

the greatest fear they have is that someone, not sure if it'll be Dean or not, will trigger a passion that will fuel the downfall of imperialism.

[thecrow]

76. He may be watching this video and taking notes...

http://www.overcast.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/warofterror/iraqtonytruth.htm


Introduced in this thread...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x3809302

On edit: Kerry is a seasoned prosecutor. I have faith in him to bring all the facts to light. Apparently there is more to the DSM than was thought before, as exhibited in the video referenced above.
It's amazing... a MUST SEE !!

[sniffa]

2. woohoo

i smeLL something burning.

[mike_c]

7. might be the earliest scent of...

[barbaraann]

3. Skiiing or windsurfing.

n/t

[sniffa]

6. Lame

he's obviousLy getting botoxed.

[whistle]

4. Bravo for Senator Kennedy, now what is Bush and Blair emerge

...from their summit meeting today and declare the Downing Street Document to be a fake and a fraud?

[CatWoman]

5. you people make me so fucking angry

:nuke:

first: NO DEMS ARE SPEAKING OUT.

then Kerry speaks out.

then Boxer speaks out.

now Kennedy is speaking out.

now: WHY IS KERRY LETTING KENNEDY SPEAK OUT? WHERE IS KERRY?

you people make me so fucking angry.

[sniffa]

9. ditto here

i just can't say it in such direct terms. thank you for doing it for me. :thumbsup:

[CatWoman]

anytime, Sniff

:hi:

I almost smashed my monitor when I saw this subject.

And then it was followed by long-time DUers just snatching up the bait.


Fucking pathetic.

[Just Me]

47. We anticipated this onslaught of character assasinations.

All we can do is draw the line.

[Itsthetruth]

13. Perhaps Kerry Is Giving His "We Can't Cut And Run" Speech

at some fund raiser.

He's got important "stuff" to do!

[DS1]

14. Who is 'you people'

I hope it's not 'us' because "we're" not the ones that dropped to our knees faster than gravity would typically allow after promising to fight to have every vote count. Not that his useless campaign chief organized anything but a laughable shot for him in the first place :eyes:

[CatWoman]

23. If I'm not mistaken, I was talking to the OP

I'm not up for your combative bullshit today.

[Name removed]

25. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[Just Me]

49. Someone's gotta do it.

:eyes:

[Catherine Vincent]

74. "I'm not up for your combative bullshit today."

LOL! I'll hve to remember that one, CatWoman. :thumbsup:

[lancdem]

15. Yep

I love this place, but sometimes it makes me want to pull my hair out. For instance, I just saw a post from someone who said they'll vote Repuke if Hillary is the nominee in 2008. :wtf:

[redqueen]

39. That's ridiculous.

Voting for a Republican would be slightly different than voting for Hillary.

If Hillary gets the nod, I vote green. :evilgrin:

[Pirate Smile]

17. I agree, Catwoman.

Can we be any more counter-productive? Good Lawd!

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

26. amen

[wicket]

28. amen Catwoman!

:kick:

[eleny]

31. Thank you!

Unless any one of these nay sayers are standing in front of the WH with a huge protest sign - they can just stfu.

[DS1]

40. That'll get us everywhere

In order to post a valid point here, with less than 1000 posts, you have to be doing it from a wireless connection in front of the White House.

I don't have time for this shit.


:hi:

[redqueen]

37. Tell me about it...

It's as if we have members of the right wing media in this forum, doing their nasty work right here, just for us.

[understandinglife]

48. Thank you. (nt)

Peace.



www.missionnotaccomplished.us - How ever long it takes, the day must come when tens of millions of caring individuals peacefully but persistently defy the dictator, deny the corporatists cash flow, and halt the evil being done in Iraq and in all the other places the Bu$h neoconster regime is destroying civilization and the environment in the name of "America."

[bpilgrim]

50. good point

i am so psyched that more and more are speaking out :bounce:

peace

[Stand and Fight]

54. I second that.

Some of these people will bitch no matter what! Get a grip, get involved, and quit bashing the people who are actually doing something.

:nuke:

[seabeyond]

71. kennedy isnt going to go after kerry

surely. they are the buds. i didnt hear kennedy so dont know what is up, but my guess that is more of s aet up for kerry you think. i really cant see kennedy doing anything against kerry. i think i will relax and wait and watch what happens

[Marnieworld]

8. I'm so sure that Kerry and Kennedy haven't discussed this

:sarcasm:

Kerry's statement is coming. Quit your bashing. It's all a coordinated attack. This is just the beginning. A storm is brewing. Can you feel it?

[CatWoman]

10. careful, Marnieworld

you're making fucking sense!!!!!

can't have that shit, can we?

[Marnieworld]

21. Yah it's so much more productive to whine

"I want everybody to say everything I want them to say right now gosh darnit!" stamps feet repeatedly.

:eyes:

[Karenina]

36. Notice Ted's use of the word, "MINUTES"

DOWNING STREET MINUTES - OFFICIAL GOVERNMENT MINUTES OF AN OFFICIAL GOVERNMENT MEETING - distributed to U.K. EYES ONLY in the form of a memorandum...

[Blue Belle]

34. Thank you!!

I wish you Kerry bashers would just shut your pie hole. You were the same people who were complaining that the media will turn the act of Kerry breaching the subject of the DSM into a case of "election loss sour grapes". So Kennedy spoke up first... big deal. I think it was a brilliant strategy and agree with Marnieworld that this is a coordinated attack. Something bigger is coming... but because it isn't a full on WWF Smackdown from the opening gavel this morning, I suppose it's easier to start slamming Kerry before he's even had a chance to talk. Why don't we see how the week progresses before we start nay saying eh??

[Just Me]

11. Who are you?

What is your objective?

Why?

[DS1]

16. They are a poster, posting a story

What's the objective of your questioning?

Why?

[Bridget Burke]

33. Perhaps they wondered why this story was not presented as....

Something positive about Senator Kennedy?

Why is it more important to slam Senator Kerry than to get the story out?

Here's another way of presenting the same story: www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x3804199

[Just Me]

45. Why are you compelled to answer a question not directed at you?

Unless you and the OP are one in the same, there is no reason for you to respond to my post.

[DistressedAmerican]

12. Exactly My Thought....

John Kerry Reporting For Duty?

[Coexist]

18. Coming soon to a Senate floor near you

with a great speech, I'm sure.

[The_Casual_Observer]

19. Kennedy should speak out loudly about the DSM

This is something that everybody ought to know about. Intentional deception of the American people in order to start a war is a crime against humanity. Saddam was a evil guy, but two wrongs don't make a right.

[wabranty]

20. Proves Kerry is all Talk and no Action

It's plain and simple folks - Kerry is not a leader. He is a career politician who simply won't take a stand unless he has a poll showing support for it.

Yes, I supported Kerry in 2004 but then I fell for the "electability" label. Better to go down fighting with Dean then whimpering with Kerry.:banghead:

[Just Me]

42. How? In what way?

What are you talking about?

[ultraist]

51. We are NOT going to "go down with Dean."

We have several Dem leaders who will fight for us and I REFUSE your defeatist attitude.

Dean is out there fighting as are other Dems, like Senator Edwards, Boxer, Conyers, etc.

Dean may not be perfect, but he has the right vision.

We WILL take back the Congress and take back the WH!

[wabranty]

70. You are right. . .

I was referring to my own personal stupid decision to back Kerry over Dean in the primaries. I am so thankful Dean is now the DNC chair.

[deadparrot]

22. 'kay, how about we give Senator Kerry the courtesy

of a week?

You know, before we start tearing him to pieces and all?

He wasn't even IN D.C. yesterday, but by all accounts, his office says it is coming.

So, a week? For the man you (presumably) voted to be the Commander in Chief? :eyes:

[Darkhawk32]

27. Maybe Kennedy is Kerry's warm-up act? /shrug n/t

[wabranty]

32. Don't want no more of this "Waiting Game"

Yeah, I spent the fall of 2004 waiting for Kerry to answer back on the Swift Boat Liers, to follow up on his great first debate win.

It seems all you do is wait for Kerry to do something. He's the Hamlet of the Democratic Party.

[deadparrot]

38. At least allow him the courtesy of getting to

Washington, then.

[kevsand]

55. He's had five weeks.

How long does it take? The minutes were published by the Times on May 1. That's thirty-seven days ago. Seems like enough time to me.

On the other hand, it's clearly wrong to single out Kerry on this one. Every last one of these Senate bastards (Dem AND Repub) should have been screaming bloody murder from day one. Particularly since some of them presumably knew about this at the time, three years ago.

Beating up Kerry on this as though he's more derelict than any of the rest of them is just mean and petty and stupid. Kinda like the Senate. I guess we should just try to keep moving forward...

[wabranty]

69. Why I am singling out Kerry

It's true that other Dems should have taken the lead. But Kerry issued the first press release and I'm just holding him to his promise.

[ultraist]

52. Kerry really did kick ass in the debates

IMO, he should be the one first presenting this in the Senate. This is his area of expertise. He can put up a great argument in the Senate arena.

Does anyone know where he is or what he is doing? Apparently, he was not in DC yesterday?

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

24. Probably checking the polls to see what he should say.

As usual.

[redqueen]

29. I don't give a crap who starts the dialogue as long as someone does.

Republican, Democrat, Independent... someone please have the integrity to address these minutes!


Oh, and what the FUCK is with all the Kerry bashing today?

[Individualist]

30. Bravo Ted!

Kerry is probably using the same strategy he used to respond to the Swiftboat Liars.

[TayTay]

35. Well, it's like this

The Lowly Junior Senator from Massachusetts and the lofty Senior Senator from Massachusetts drew straws. The short straw winner (as usual, the lowly junior Senator, sigh) had to break the ice and mention it first in the old home state. That way, he got dumped on first and got the expectations game. It was ever thus.

Then the Lofty Senior Senator from Masachusetts swooped in with his accustomed grace and poise and got to mention it in a coherent manner and look good. (After the Lowly Junior Senator had already mentioned it first.)

The Lowly Junior Senator has to get a better straw-picker. Me thinks he is getting the short end of this deal.

But, on the up side, everyone on DU now knows that both Senators from the Eastern-most State of Massachusetts have, in fact, read the minutes and have come to an opinion on them. How about both Senators in other states?

[wicket]

41. well said TayTay!

:thumbsup:

[pocket]

43. this is why I voted for Dean

in the primary

[longship]

44. Let me wrap my mind around this.

Here goes...

The Downing Street Minutes say that CuckooBananas and Bliar were discussing a war with Iraq prior to a year before the USA and Britain launched their attack. The minutes say that people high up in the Bliar administration were convinced by personal meetings with CuckooBananas that a war with Iraq was a foregone conclusion and that there would be an attempt to cook the intelligence to fit that conclusion.

This is very troubling because it validates what Paul O'Neill, Richard Clarke, and a plethora of others have been saying about the war in Iraq all along. All except for John Kerry and the rest of the tutu Democrats who "would have supported the war even knowing what I know now."

So now, John Kerry is going to make a major speech about the DSM. Fine, I certainly hope that he includes the fact that he was wrong all along about Iraq and that the Iraq war was wrong. He needs to do that because it's the only way to maintain a consistent position. One cannot think that the war in Iraq is still the right thing to do and support the outrage of the DSM.

[DemonFighterLives]

53. They can play the same flawed intelligence game

That the republicans are playing. Little did they know it was all fabrication and lies.
I'm sure John and Ted knew all along, but it is a game that must be played now that the pants of the administration are down.
:spank:

[anarchy1999]

61. Welcome to DU! Nice rant, very well said.

Your sentiments are mine.

[me b zola]

46. WTF?

Kennedy spoke to Rawstory, just as Kerry has already made statements to the press. Furthermore, wait for the debate on Bolton, because I am willing to wager $$$ that that is how Kerry will introduce the DSM into the Senate record, forcing the repubs to make statements about it, and giving the talking heads & spinsters very little ammo to use on the Dems for bringing it up. Pure gold for us. Just 'f'ing wait.

[Larkspur]

56. Where's Biden and Edwards? At least one of them must slam Teddy

for bringing up this issue.

[Just Me]

60. *LOL* OMG and wasn't that an interesting "taken out of context" BS,...

,...pushed by the corporacrats!!!

The fucking RW!!! I am SICK of allowing them to disrupt the best of us when THEY are the ones profitting from being the evil scum of humanity!!!

MAKE THIS END!!!! NO MORE!!!!

[Stand and Fight]

57. You know....

I think there are people who would have a mind to tell you to shut your pie-hole... I'm certain there's at least one person who feels that way.

I'd like to know how you take Senator Kerry saying he will raise the issue when he returns to Washington to mean he's going to give a speech on the Senate floor. Just how the hell do you make that leap? Kerry was the first one to speak out about the Downing Street Minutes, and you, and people like you, are the first to bash him even then! It's fucking unbelievable that some people seem to live to bash one of our best fighters in the Senate every bloody damn chance they get. Seriously, don't you have something better to do with your time! For that matter, how many LTTE's have you written to your local paper on the issue to inform the people in your town? How much have you done to put forward liberal causes? Because you're sure as hell not doing it by bashing Senator John F. Kerry. Furthermore, I am sure that no matter what Kerry did you, and other biased people like you, would be quick to attack the man no matter what – why don’t you expend some of that enemy attacking your president, Bush?
:eyes:

[CatWoman]

62. WHERE'S LOGICIAN??????

WHERE'S LOGICIAN ON THIS IMPORTANT ISSUE?

[Stand and Fight]

67. Beats the hell out of me...

So vocal, so silent. Will the hypocrisy never end, Cat?

[spanone]

58. 23 posts says it all.....We rattle sooo easy.

[Stand and Fight]

66. Hey! Stop that!

You're not 'pose to call 'em out. :evilgrin:

[Horse with no Name]

59. Perhaps these Senate colleagues have decided on a tag-team

approach?
Kennedy gets the story out there...pugs dispute, then Kerry comes in and closes the deal.
It seems a brilliant strategy to me.

[anarchy1999]

64. I'm just waiting patiently. My grandfather ALWAYS told me just give them

enough rope and they will hang themselves. By the way, he was a constant nagging Government Whistleblower! He served in WWII and then retired for most of the rest of his life at the Army Depot in Pueblo, Colorado, and ranched/farmed on the side (cows and alfalfa) . (1500 acres spread out over a 30 mile radius)

Interesting times. This is all so much bigger than any scandal-Gate preceding.

This bunch will hang. Rest assured.

[izzybeans]

63. Ya know. gee. I wonder if they've discussed this with each other.

I wonder. yeah. This is a tough one. Two senators from the same state. Nah the two are totally unrelated.
:sarcasm:

[deacon2]

65. Legitimate questions based on past experience

So, just where is John Kerry's statement? Why did Kennedy's come first? Maybe it's a strategy. Maybe not. But why the hell is everyone jumping on the poster for raising these legitimate questions? Kerry's performance in the campaign and after the Ohio debacle was subpar. Defend it all you want, it was unworthy of the man I voted for. Having voted for him, and still maintaing the illusion that I live in a democracy, I'll question him when I think he's wrong. He works for me - and you - not the other way around. And I'll praise him when I think he's right. Which he has been consistently and impressively, especially in the 70s, and in the past several weeks as well.

But now this bullshit again... Go ahead and pile on, Kerry Koddlers. Just remember - he was my candidate, too.

So I won't be "shutting my pie-hole." Until I hear him open his. btw - your protests and oaths of fealty are starting to remind me of all the "not this president" bullshit out of McClellan and the wingnuts. Try questioning again. Even the pols you love. It leads to better service from the folks who work for you. And me.

[Stand and Fight]

68. LET ME SAY THIS SLOOOOWLY.

Kerry -- yes, John Forbes Kerry -- was the first to bring this into the lime-light. He said he would raise the issue. He and Senator Kennedy are from the same state. Get it?

[seabeyond]

72. and buds

and respect each other. and work well together

[Stand and Fight]

73. Thanks Sea...

I forgot the rule book, How to Talk to a Basher (If you must...)...