Why Iraq?

[Mich Otter]

Why has America committed so much time and money to controlling Iraq?
One major clue is a fellow named Gerald Bull. Bull was helping Saddam Hussein build a "Super Gun" which was aimed at Tel Aviv.
Do a Google search for Gerald Bull and Saddam to find out why the Israelis wanted Saddam out of Iraq. It is pretty clear the Israelis killed Bull to stop his work on the "Super Gun".
Figure out for yourself why the Israelis were attacked during the first Gulf War but did not retaliate against Saddam. I believe a deal was cooked up by Papa Bush and the Israelis that America would attack Iraq providing Israel stayed out of the fighting.
All of Saddam's efforts at obtaining WMDs were designed to attack, not the U.S., but Israel. America was just in the way of getting rid of the Jewish state that is so despised by Muslims.
With Iraq, we are in a war that we will never see the end of.

[Deja Q]

1. *'s hatred of Saddam and his lust for revenge.

What else is there?

Hell, he's got Saddam's gun on the white house wall, instead of a museum where it ought to be.

[Mich Otter]

2. The gun on the wall...

is just a sign of the petty, macho attitude of George Dumb?Yeah! Bush. He wants to play hero.
Look to see why we started messing with Iraq in the first place.
Do a Google search on "April Glaspie" to see what her role was.

[Warpy]

3. Weird family dynamics

that made him determined to do what his father "couldn't" do, rid the world of Hussein, "finish the job" of the first Gulf War.

Poppy may have wanted it, too, to preserve his legacy.

The neocons wanted it to secure strategic bases that would allow the US to control the flow of oil in the region and stop the Russians from moving in (they're Cold Warriors, remember).

The fundies want Israel to have more room to expand into so that they'll be good little doobies and rebuild the temple so that all the Jesus people can git Raptured.

The only reasons we did NOT go in there were that Hussein had been building clandestine weapons and that he was a threat to the region and to the US.

[FreedomAngel82]

4. Is that true about the gun?

Wow. I think that's part of the picture as well. Don't forget PNAC and all the oil. Why else did Halliburton "win" the contract to rebuild there? Heh. Payback. It could've been anybody but of course it was Halliburton.

[insane_cratic_gal]

5. Look where it sits

You control Iraq, you control the entire gulf and shippments of oil

[dajoki]

20. iraq, iran, saudi

2/3 of world's oil supply

[welshTerrier2]

6. evidence ???

i'm not buying this at all ... Saddam had a "Super Gun which was aimed at Tel Aviv" ... where was this "Super Gun" ... no such evidence was found by the invasion force, was it? and if it ever existed, why invade Iraq if the Israelis were able to kill its developer?

and "all of Saddam's efforts at obtaining WMD's were designed to attack, not the US, but Israel" ... what evidence has been produced that Saddam was trying to obtain WMD's ... are you going to start pointing to the aluminum tubes again? or the Niger memo? or are you basing this on all the great CIA information or Powell's UN testimony ???? it's all been totally discredited ...

where's the evidence for the case you're making ???

[Mich Otter]

12. Check for Yourself

You are obviously not in a mind to believe any idea I put out for you. I suggest you Google the names "Gerald Bull" and "April Glaspie" along with Saddam and see what you can learn.
Remember you are the one bringing up the aluminum tubes and the Niger memo, not I. I totally agree they were discredited, as has been virtually every claim the Bush administration has made.

[Mich Otter]

18. Here is some of the info for you including a picture.

Check out:
http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/world/iraq/supergun.htm
and also;
http://world.std.com/~jlr/doom/bull.htm

[Amonester]

19. The inspectors destroyed it.

> "Following the Gulf War UN teams destroyed one 350 mm. supergun, components of a 1000 mm. supergun, and supergun propellant. <

Also noteworthy, IMO, is the fact that before the madman invaded Koweit, he asked the U.S. Ambassador to Iraq (to papa *) what would be his (then) allies' reaction, and I read somewhere that the answer came back in something like "non-intervention into this Arab vs. Arab dispute" (which changed as in "flip-flop" after a $10 million dollars PR campaign was launch in the U.S. by the Koweitian Ambassador, especially because his own daugther lied on T.V.).

Logging out now but I'll do searches about that when I'll be back.

[dajoki]

21. made a movie about it

don't remember name of it, but definately true.

[Mich Otter]

22. Does anyone know the name of the movie? n/t

[dajoki]

23. project babylon

don't know if it's name of movie, but her's a link to article on gun & bull. http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/iraq/other/supergun.htm

[FrenchieCat]

7. Why Iraq.....simple,

PNAC, Oil and Israel.

[FreedomAngel82]

10. And remember

that the neocons are very pro-Israel. If you haven't visit http://www.informationclearinghouse.info and watch the film "The War Party" and hear them say it for themselves.

[LoZoccolo]

8. I used to be friends with a real neocon (no really).

As in, he would read real neocon stuff like Commentary and knew about PNAC and supported it and everything. I say this to distinguish him from the right-wing Fox News-watching herd who is strung along with other things.

He basically said, before the war, that he knew what he thought was a good reason to invade Iraq, and that was the manufacture an ally from which we can get oil, in order to put more pressure and competition on Saudi Arabia to get them to do something about terrorism and the type of Muslim fundamentalism which encourages it, which he named as an export of Saudi Arabia.

[amerikat]

9. Oil

there were no goals in Iraq except for oil. If anyone tells you different they are liar's or perhaps uninformed.

[Mich Otter]

13. We were already buying the oil.

The hundreds of billions of dollars we are spending to control Iraq sure could have bought a lot of oil.
I wonder how much oil reserve Iraq is estimated to have and how much it would cost to buy it all at $50 per barrel? Are we spending more on a war than all the oil would have cost us to purchase?

[Amonester]

15. The hundreds of billions of dollars (will) come from taxpayers...

The millions of billions of dollars in profit go to a 'selected' few... (at this very moment).

Easy...

Taxpayers = middle class = on the credit card (pay later).

Selected few = the have-mores = direct deposits in fiscal paradises (now).

[stillcool]

11. here's why....

http://www.uwec.edu/grossmzc/caspianpipes.html

[Mich Otter]

14. How is Iraq involved here?

All of the pipelines shown on the map at
http://www.uwec.edu/grossmzc/caspianpipes.html
go around Iraq.

[Amonester]

16. Iraq's pipelines are being blown up by the resistance.

Exploitation of the "easy-to-pump-out-thus-cheap-per-barrel-cost$" is just beginning... as soon as the "resistance" will stop blowing up the pipes...

U.S. military bases (billed on the credit card) are also to be used in the "Total Oil Wars" to come...

How many millions of barrels of blood are there gonna be "wasted" doesn't matter at all for the PNAC Gangsters.

How many 'poor' American troops doesn't either (it's obvious).

:mad:

On edit: changed 'also' into 'either'

[stillcool]

24. Iraq is a stepping stone....

it is a strategic location to get a foothold in the Caspian Sea region, from which all pipelines flow. Whoever controls the oil, controls the world. If you look further on that website it will all make sense. Check this out as well.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x2238307

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

17. Politics, oil, and propaganda.

After 9/11, Bush took a chance to "do something" and be a hero. Oil was the other great motivating factor, in that it's not just Iraq's oil, but all of the oil of the ME that could be "stabilized". The "mistake" was that the geniuses believed their own propaganda.

They believed that they could roll over Iraq with scant resistance from a wrecked army and be greeted by joyful Iraqis and grateful Arab States.

For a while Boobya was a hero to the gullible American people who are prone to fall for flagwaving and pictures of glorious troops blowing up things and killing people. But, as the polls show, no more.

The ME oil is far from stabilized with the people of the region seeing their governments as selling out to the Americans. Now, virtually, all of the ME is a powder keg with revolution in the air.

Israel has seen the handwriting on the wall and is trying to work out some sort of peace with the Palestinians but faces stiff opposition from it's own fundamentalist "patriots". It's a lose/lose situation for them.

All in all, the whole Iraq venture has turned into a disaster in every area for America. As is usual with Empires struggling to save themselves, BushCorp is thrashing around and throwing gasoline on the fire in hope that something good will come out of the explosion.