Please explain to me the debate over STEM CELL research?

[serryjw]

I don't get it!

[orleans]

1. i was going to try...but i can't

i'm too tired

i'm looking at it in too much of a sarcastic way

i just want to make snarkie remarks about bush while explaining it

i want to take it to an absurd level (by visualizing little dancing snowflake babies drifting down from the sky and onto the white house and filling up each room, and crying, and crawling, and dancing in white tutus, and laura screaming at george: "You S.O.B. You wanted all of them--now YOU take care of them--and get them out of my house!"

[jmcon007]

5. Here is a link that may help....

http://www.religioustolerance.org/res_stem.htm

This gives both sides of the argument and should be of some help.

Like Orleans, it's difficult for me to discuss this subject without slipping off into sarcasm about Bush.
Like this: It's more than ironic that he "fights the good fight" for eggs in a petri dish by declaring it's immoral to destroy life to save it, yet he could give two hoots and loses no sleep in sending our young people off to war to risk being destroyed themselves...for what?

One Republican described using these tiny embryos this way as "dismembering" a baby. Give me a break.

My suggestion to anyone in any kind of debate with the 'saintly' Christian Fundamentalists about when life truly begins, you might suggest that the Bible says that Adam wasn't a living spirit until God BREATHED into him. He was already formed and outside the body before he had a spirit. Just a thought. None of us know for sure, I suppose, but who are they to declare that they are all-knowing?

If it goes against a person's religion, then I suggest they refuse all future cures that come about as a result of stem cell research.

[LunaC]

7. Life truly begins

When the fetus is breathing outside the womb and the IRS allows you to claim the child as a deduction.

And THAT's official government policy!


(Sorry, couldn't help getting snarky too.)

[oblivious]

9. Thanks for the link. I've avoided the issue so far, so this will help.

[physioex]

2. I don't know all the technical details......

But I think the Repug party has basically two separate interests. One is the Corporate and the other is the fundamentalist. And I am pretty sure they are at odds with stem cell research.

The corporations aren't stupid. If the United States passes all these restrictive laws, they will simply move things offshore. And this is a great opportunity for Europe and Asia to surpass USA.

[LunaC]

3. I don't get it either.

The Pugs don't want to use embryonic stem cells in research because it would "destroy life", but if those same stem cells derived from in vitro fertilization are just going to be destroyed anyway, what's their gripe? Why NOT use it for research? Once again, when it comes to Pugs and Science, there's no logical thought process.

[Jim Lane]

4. It has its own warped logic

If you get low- and middle-income religious people riled up about a distraction like stem cells, you can get their votes even while you're screwing them economically.

[KaliTracy]

6. because "every sperm is sacred, every sperm is good, every

sperm is needed in your neighborhood"

And once Mr. spermywormy finds an eggy -- well, then, that's god's will, and it's life. No matter if it would be frozen forever, or that 3 or 4 have to be implanted at a time just to make sure it's implanted. It's life. Life starts at conception, and that's the way it is. So.... next step is to get rid of Roe-V-Wade and most BirthControl methods, too. They like making godly decisions.

http://www.prevention.com/article/0,5778,s1-1-93-35-4130-1,00.html

[SoCalDem]

8. Simple.. Poor people cannot afford in vitro , so the precious embryos

are fertilized eggs of well-to-do people (high class ones).. Thos "extra" eggs should go to other deserving yuppies who either used all theirs up, or could "grow" them for the "baby market". There's a real shortage of "marketable" babies these days since abortion became legal.

and then there's this too..

The fundamentalists who can always be counted on to be great propaganda targets, have been schooled to think that shooting a guy who loooks crosseyed at them is OK, but a clump of cells in a dish are more valuable.

Truth be told, *² couldn't identify an embryo if they served one up to him on a ritz cracker, but his handlers have told him that it makes him appear god-like if he pretends to ponder the miracles of life, and sides with the embryo.

Republicans seem to "get it" when someone in their own family gets sick, but until then, they pretend to be against it.,

[lala_rawraw]

10. Very Simply Put

Republicons: Pre-Life cells (read drug companies) more important than saving living humans

Progressives: Living humans are more important than corporations (read research)

And a side of fries.

[oscar111]

11. Not eno brain cells to think, its not human

so I and the progressves say.

Many are the benefits from pluripotent {able to turn into any of the 2OO kinds of human cells - a feature of embryonic stem cells} stem cells. Just injecting a batch into an ailing heart led to new small arteries to the heart muscle forming.
Korea has opened a great door to the future. An enormous door.

one can also use embryonic SC's to grow a new organ, say liver, on a lattice, then insert it into you.

many other uses exist for clones too.
This field of science, stem cells and clones, has so many benefit paths, that i cant keep up with them. Literally dozens of ways to tinker with things for cures are now possible.

To keep up, you will have to put a sheet of paper on the wall and record each new one you read of. It is getting mind-boggling ... especially when you add in the field of gene transferr, which has racked up already things like glowing plants and mice with human cells in their little brains.

[izzie]

12. I am also lost on this one.

I hate to be really nasty but soon a women will not be able to raise from her bed and go to the bathroom after sex.With all these men taking these little blue pills it may even get to an earlier time.