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Quixote1818 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 10:49 PM
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Ed Schultz for VP? Thoughts?
Edited on Fri May-20-05 11:25 PM by Quixote1818
OK, I know Ed is not that popular with many people on DU because he is to the Right of most of us but it's not who is popular with DU but who is popular with swing voters when it comes to VP. Today the host who was filling in for Ed said he was ripping into Rush Limbaugh in Rural Montana and they ate it up. He started out his speech by saying "I am Ed Schultz and I am a LIBERAL!!!!" I can just hear Big Ed calling Rush a Druggie and making fun of O'Reilly as a phone sex pervert and the the Blue Collar, Rural people eating it up! People in Rural towns LOVE Ed! They completely relate to him talking about hunting and fishing and tinkering in the garage and with his truck. He was a Collage Football all American. Ed is the number one progressive talk show hast in America because he is taking away Rush's listeners and because middle America relates to him.

Is he the most qualified for VP? ABSOLUTELY NOT!!! But he has charisma and when he makes fun of the right it's not coming from an intellectual, North Eastern, fancy talking "Liberal" who talks over peoples heads. It's coming from a big, burley, every day, friendly, teddy bear from rural South Dakota who can talk sports, hunting and fishing, Nascar and tinkering in the garage. It's all about CHARISMA!!!! Big Ed has it and the crowds would LOVE HIM! He would bring a tone of rural voters over to the Democratic party.

VP is primarily cosmetic position. If Ed had to be President he would most certainly be 10000000 times better than Bush. The important thing is can someone like him help bring us the White-house in 08'.

Can you imagine a Clark/Ed Schultz ticket? Rural America would love that ticket! What do you think?

Here is a link to his remarks in Montana: http://www.bigeddieradio.com/news.view.html?newsItemId=2057

A small sample of the talk: One man asked Schultz why progressives were being labeled anti-American and anti-family. Schultz hit that one out of the ballpark.

"Rush Limbaugh has been married four times and divorced four times. He's got a drug problem. He's 53 and he has no kids," Schultz said. "Tell me how he's mainstream American."

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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 10:52 PM
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1. He has the same problem Clark had when he first announced..
He has not been a Democrat long enough to have his credentials approved.
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Quixote1818 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 10:54 PM
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3. This will be three years from now and he is a progressive host. nt
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 10:54 PM
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2. Clark/Ed Schultz...a well armed White House...whatever it takes!
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Mr_Spock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 10:56 PM
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4. Forget VP - just let him spank these RW nut jobs on radio 'till he croaks
I like the way he will take on ANY RW'er and he doesn't back down. I want him there converting the marginal Republicans who can't take the hypocrisy any more. He doesn't screen calls because he doesn't have to. I'm an Ed head.
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-21-05 10:48 AM
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27. He's the best chance we have to grab the middle and hold it.
He's got credentials that appeal to those who far too often vote against their best interests.

Not for the LW purists and intellectuals, but he will help us win.
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cry baby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 10:57 PM
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5. I like Ed...
but haven't been listening with that office in mind for him. Will listen carefully. I think he'd be very popular in most red states.

Having said that, I don't think he'd ever run.
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kaygore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 11:02 PM
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6. He sent me a really nasty email when I criticized his show
for being too far right: He called me a "mean spirited lefty with no passion or direction....that's what
loses elections.."

Considering that I worked GOTV in California, Arizona, Oregon, and Florida; stood every morning in the rain and freezing cold on the entrance to the Morrison Bridge into Portland during morning drive time for weeks holding a huge "Vote Early" sign before the election; considering that I worked phone banks, canvassed, picked up absentee ballots, drove people to the polls, and stood all day in the hot sun at a primarily Republican precinct in Sarasota Florida on election day; noting that I am a neighborhood coordinator for MoveON; ...I could go on and on AND considering that people have accused me my whole life of having too much passion, I would NOT work for Ed Schultz for any office.

If he didn't like what I had to say, he could have simply emailed me and said that he was sorry that we had different opinions but that the Democratic tent was large enough for all of us.

I am glad that the red state watch Faux news and talk a good line but do nothings like him. That may say enough right there.


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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-21-05 10:50 AM
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29. Another Dem disappointed you. Surprise, surprise. nt
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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-21-05 12:24 PM
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47. Others on DU and other progessive websites have posted this
as well. Schultz does not take criticism at all well. That and his ego are probably his achilles heel. Perhaps he'lll learn. I hope he does, but these are not good traits for a candidate, IMO>
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Mr_Spock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-21-05 07:33 PM
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65. I'm shocked that a guy who doesn't screen calls and will talk to anyone
is still not good enough for some people. He take on anyone and everyone and learns when he is wrong - even if it hurts. I am with him - some people are just not seeing why they are losing elections - you don't have to sacrifice anything, you simply have to not sound like an intellectual snob to appeal to people.
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SnoopDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 11:07 PM
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7. I think I could be a better VP...
I knew my position on ANWR immediately - he had to have some callers educate him...
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Quixote1818 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 11:16 PM
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9. Whats wrong with asking people to help you out on a particular
Edited on Fri May-20-05 11:44 PM by Quixote1818
issue? It's called being open minded and common sense. Their are many issues Ed probably needs to read up on but even John Edwards and Wes Clark blew some questions in the debates. You can bet John Edwards won't miss the question on Defense of Marriage again. A legal question I might add. But then I am sure you are smarter than John Edwards as well. Could you be the number one rated progressive radio host in America?
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SnoopDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 11:22 PM
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12. In my opinion, some issues are cut and dry...
To drill in Alaska is an obvious real Progressive issue that states - no, no drilling in Alaska...period...

Or, how about Social Security. It is obvious - leave it alone or simply raise the cap from 90k up.

What is "a legal question I might ad'? Is that 'advertisement' or 'add'.

Am I smarter that Mr. Edwards - never mentioned that I was smarter than anyone...

And, absolutely not - I could never be better than Mr. Malloy - the real number one rates talk show host! In all fairness, I could not be a talk host at all!
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Quixote1818 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 11:39 PM
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13. I am the biggest environmentalist on the planet
and while I have always been against drilling in Alaska or any place for that matter I can see how many people who never looked that deep into the issue and had heard they were only going to drill on a tiny part of the reserve might need a little education.

I hears Schultz completely blow a question on social security early on but he educated himself and later on knew the issue inside and out. He is certainly not perfect and he has a lot to learn about many issues.

The question Edwards missed was a "legal" question on the Defense of Marriage Act. The point I was making was that as a lawyer Edwards should have been all over that question. However, the fact that Edwards did so well on most other questions showed he had the right stuff hands down. Bush misses almost every question yet he still got elected. The issue at hand is not that Schultz would make the greatest VP ever but he would at least be qualified and smart enough to handle the job and perhaps be president if he had to be. I think their is little doubt he could handle it and his charisma would definitely help bring in swing voters.
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SnoopDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 11:49 PM
Response to Reply #13
14. Just posting my opinion Mr. Q - just like you...
I have listened to Mr. Schultz...no problem there... but once again, I could and would not only be a better VP but a better President as well and I am just one of 290 million people here in the USA.

By the way, 'their' shows possession and is improper in your last sentence. Rule: their car was stolen vs over here over there.... (forgive me for this correction)

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Quixote1818 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-21-05 12:20 AM
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15. Better be careful
Edited on Sat May-21-05 12:21 AM by Quixote1818
You may end up with the title "grammarian" if you correct too many more posts with improper grammar. Take this with a grain of salt as I am just kidding with you. See here:

http://redwing.hutman.net/%7Emreed/warriorshtm/grammarian.htm
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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-21-05 11:49 AM
Response to Reply #9
44. Schultz also knew NOTHING about the bankrupcy bill.....
Edited on Sat May-21-05 11:56 AM by hlthe2b
and basically spouted Repub talking points about the whole thing (need for "responsibility" in the face of credit card debt...problem appears to be people who can't manage their "wants/desires" within their budget)before some far more knowledgeable callers tried to "school him" on the actual statistics regarding the % OF bankrupcies occurring as a result of health emergencies, divorce, etc. Some populist. He admitted he'd never been even remotely in a situation that caused financial hardship and couldn't "relate."


So, for all his being a folksy talker, don't kid yourself. He is a moderate by Noth Dakota standards for sure, but that doesn't make him so at the national level. A moderate Dem in the conservative West or in Texas would be a very very conservative DEM anywhere else in the county and I don't think we need more "Joe Liebermans." I don't dislike Shultz and even listen in from time to time. Just my 2 cent worth.

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Quixote1818 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-21-05 02:19 PM
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54. Ed is certainly not the poster child of the Dem. Party by any means
but I still think he would be a great VP choice simply because he creates an image that would draw in rural voters and swing voters. This was not meant to be a discussion of how strong a Democrat he is but if he could help us win the Whitehouse. The point of this discussion was suppose to be about if Ed could bring in those hard to get voters in the middle. However as usual everyone misses the big picture and gets caught up in the tiny details that don't relate to the subject at hand.
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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-21-05 05:35 PM
Response to Reply #54
64. I agree that he is valuable in bringing others to the "tent."
But, as many others here, I believe he can do that best as a radio host. Kudos to Schultz for finding a way to bridge the "gulf." I hope he can continue to do so.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 11:09 PM
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8. I think that he should stay exactly where he is....
on my radio dial.
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davidinalameda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 11:18 PM
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10. who?
:shrug:
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 11:18 PM
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11. Yuck.
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ariellyn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-21-05 01:18 AM
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23. What you said. n/t
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Protagoras Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-21-05 12:28 AM
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16. Ed is all vague generalities...he continually misses specifics
And while I think a plain speaking populist with some political experience would do well on our ticket. Ed is not that man.
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Quixote1818 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-21-05 10:47 AM
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26. nt
Edited on Sat May-21-05 11:28 AM by Quixote1818
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Qanisqineq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-21-05 12:34 AM
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17. he broadcasts from Fargo, NORTH Dakota
and he's originally from Virginia. :)
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CatholicEdHead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-21-05 11:01 AM
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35. That's correct
I have spent time and still live reasonably close to NW MN/E ND's Red River Valley. Ed it speaking for the people in the prairie. When he still had his regional show (on KFGO/Clear Channel Network), every so often he would act out towards his right wing listener base as they came down on him. It was more out of frustration than anything.

He would also have this one right wing nut lady caller (Crystal I think) who called in almost every day with the right wing talking point of the day or previous day. Ed put her in her place every time.

Ed does speak the talk of the average, middle to right citizen. From his callers, I would say he is making headway. There are some issues which he brings up that have no reason being politizised in that there are no real differences but are spun that there are some.

Ed has his place on the radio dial just like Franken, Randi, et al do over at AA.
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AAARRRGGGHHH Donating Member (265 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-21-05 12:38 AM
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18. Electable?
Edited on Sat May-21-05 12:44 AM by AAARRRGGGHHH
I hate to say it because 'electability' nominated Kerry, but Ed Schultz couldn't be elected veep, could he? I could be wrong.
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Quixote1818 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-21-05 11:36 AM
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42. I would disagree with the assessment that Kerry had 'electability'
I knew from the beginning middle America would not relate to him. Man of my friends flat out told me they would have voted for Edwards and Clark but not Kerry. Kerry was nominated because he was the most experienced and smartest guy who did well in the debates. He most certainly was qualified but sadly while Democrats vote based on qualifications and lose Republicans with Rove learned that it's who people relate to and like that wins elections. Ed Schultz has the qualities middle America likes and can relate to.
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TheFarseer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-21-05 02:57 PM
Response to Reply #42
60. John Kerry 2004 was our answer to Bob Dole 1996
Neither of them had the ability to appeal to swing voters. Kerry just had a weaker opponent.
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Clarkie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-21-05 12:39 AM
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19. Keep up the "outside the box" thinking!
I like it!
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jean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-21-05 12:43 AM
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20. nope. not vp material.He's already situated where he can help the most
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Quixote1818 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-21-05 10:31 AM
Response to Reply #20
24.  And Bush is presidential material?????
You might wan to think about that a little bit.
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jean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-21-05 10:56 AM
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33. hmm... I made no comment regarding *.. you might want to ponder that
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Quixote1818 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-21-05 11:17 AM
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40. You said Ed is not VP material
The point I was making and I can't believe it went over your head is that it's quite clear that Bush is not Presidential material yet look where he is! It's not always about who is the smartest but who people like and can relate to. Democrats just don't understand that and thats why we put someone like John Kerry up instead of someone like Edwards or Clark who middle America could have related to.


Why is this so difficult for Democrats to get? It's all about who people LIKE!!! Sure you have to be qualified and not make a bunch of mistakes like Dan Quail but I would much rather put someone who people relate to as VP rather than the smartest most dull person on the block. It's about putting someone up on stage who can wow the crowd's!!!! Make them laugh and poke fun at the other side. It's about talking sports, making small talk, connecting with peoples pain, and being one of THEM! Bill Clinton had it, John Kennedy had it and Ed Schultz has it.
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jean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-21-05 02:25 PM
Response to Reply #40
57. the reason bush is prez is his lineage. He's the progeny of
of extremely wealthy, extremely influential, extremely political people. The influence and reach of his family goes back many, many decades and is profound. Read Kevin Phillips book, American Dynasty, the first in depth look at the Bush clan, and you'll see why shrub is where he is.

Certainly, he's good at playing cheerleader and pretending to be a regular guy, but his rise to the presidency is more about the machinations of Rove, GHWBush and all the power brokers involved with controlling our country.

You're right - Ed Schultz is great with crowds and unafraid of 'pushing back' on the righties. He's a great guy to have on our side. I hope Ed can swing the people who 'take a shower after work' who think they're conservatives to our side. I think he'll make significant inroads getting through to those folks.

I don't think Ed rises to the rock star status of a Bill Clinton or a JFK.

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Quixote1818 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-21-05 02:34 PM
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59. Your points are very well taken
I agree that Schultz does not rise to the star status of Bill Clinton or JFK with the country as a whole but to a blue collar worker in rural Ohio he would be more of a Rock Star then Clinton by far and those are the voters we are after. Do you see where I am coming from?
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jean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-21-05 03:35 PM
Response to Reply #59
62. yes - and I mentioned that - the folks who take a shower after work, right
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DenaliDemocrat Donating Member (536 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-21-05 12:48 AM
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21. I LOVE Ed Schultz
I can relate well to Ed. Sometimes you guys need to remember that there are a lot of old style LABOR democrats around just waiting to be heard again. I mean, I would never vote for a Republican but I love to hunt (as long as you eat what you kill, we live a subsistence lifestyle), I do go to Church and raise my kids Catholic (no, I don't let them alone with any priests), and while I believe what a person or people chose to do in their own bedroom is there business, other than sex education, I really don't think we need a lot of that stuff at school. A big tent guys, a big tent. If the Republicans can fit Jerry Falwell and Rush Limbagh under one roof, certianly the dems can support Ed Schultz.
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Quixote1818 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-21-05 10:38 AM
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25. Exactly, the point I am trying to make is charisma brings in votes
people very often vote for people they like and can relate to. Why do you think Rove had Bush live on a Ranch in Rural Texas all this time? So rural voters would relate to him. I truly wish it were about smarts and intellect and qualifications but it's just NOT!!! Thats why Democrats often lose because of the answers we see on this board. Many people here don't have a clue about how to win. Putting up John Kerry was a huge mistake and I knew it right from the beginning even though I think he would make a great president.
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rndmprsn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-21-05 01:04 AM
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22. i can live with big ed, but i'm not a listener...
my biggest complaint is he really over-simplifies and forgets important details on many things...letting some callers/guests talk right past him...big ed, do your homework more.
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BeachBuckeye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-21-05 10:50 AM
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28. One should be a genuine Democrat to run for VP
Sadly, Ed is not, never has been. Only when he saw the money in front of him did he do an about face from his "Rightie" views. I know I'll take heat for this remark but there are plenty of old Ed Schultz quotes to prove that he never was a Democrat.
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-21-05 10:56 AM
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34. And what are your qualifications to judge, please? nt
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BeachBuckeye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-21-05 11:07 AM
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37. I'm in the biz
I know people and I know him.
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-21-05 11:14 AM
Response to Reply #37
39. Pardon me if I ask for some elaboration. I'm in the book biz,
but I don't know John Grisham, for pity's sake.
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Quixote1818 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-21-05 11:24 AM
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41. This poster above gives examples of Ed's transformation while
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Hello_Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-21-05 10:52 AM
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30. One cool thing about Ed
Is the story of his "transformation" from conservative to liberal because of the influence of his wife. I could see that appealing to women. I don't think that would necessarily make him VP material but what the hell? He's a damn sight better than what's in the White House now.
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Quixote1818 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-21-05 11:05 AM
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36. If Rove were a Democrat he would be all over Ed! That's what too many
Dem's don't get! It's not about being the smartest guy on the planet but about people relating to you and strong charisma. Many people I personally know who didn't vote for Kerry would have voted for Edwards and Clark and I knew from the beginning that Kerry was a bad choice for mainstream Americans because he just has no Charisma. Still Dem's voted based on "smarts" not "charisma". Big mistake!!!!

I wish America were smarter but it's just not the case. Sometimes you have to change your thinking and that is what Rove understands so well. In an insane society a sane man must appear insane. Or at least have Charisma so people like you.
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-21-05 10:54 AM
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31. He wins for us on the radio. There is no other L voice that speaks
to the people who continually vote against their best interests.

Those of you who don't like labor united with the Dem party hate him--fine.

But that's where the party's strength is.
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BeachBuckeye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-21-05 11:10 AM
Response to Reply #31
38. before his "transformation"
there was no one who hated labor more than big Eddie.
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-21-05 10:54 AM
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32. Dupe. nt
Edited on Sat May-21-05 10:56 AM by blondeatlast
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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-21-05 11:37 AM
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43. Good Lord.......
Edited on Sat May-21-05 11:51 AM by hlthe2b
I never cease to be amazed at the "how about this candidate" posts.

Schultz is certainly far better than the RW, but we DO have better candidates. Schultz also has an ego that is checked for the time being, but I predict will become a problem if/when he becomes more successful. That is not a slam on the guy--just a somewhat knowledgeable accessment on his ambitions and personality type.

I don't dislike Schultz. Neither do I agree with his harsh attacks on fellow (more liberal) DEMS (Dean, R. Rhodes, many others) and progressive groups (e.g., Moveon) on the airwaves.
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Quixote1818 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-21-05 11:54 AM
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45. Lets be fair
Edited on Sat May-21-05 12:03 PM by Quixote1818
Your last sentence throws out all kids of things that make Ed look bad and while he might have been wrong on why he attacked Moveon, he did it because he thought there money should be spent on attacking Republicans and not Democrats. Many Democrats agreed with him on that. You failed to point that out, why is that? You also failed to point out that he was rejected by most Sunday political shows one weekend because he thought Dean was a great choice for DNC Chair. They were looking for someone who would cut Dean down and Ed wasn't going to do that. I personally have only heard him say good things about Dean but sometimes he asks why Dean is not more visible at attacking Republicans when certain issues come up. I agree with Ed on that. Try to be a little more fair when you throw out the things you have thrown out.

Buy the way, did you read the original post because you seemed to miss the point of why he would make a good VP choice. Not because DU people would love him but because mainstream and Rural America would love him. Their are many wonderful Democratic candidates who are absolutely brilliant but most Americans don't relate to them. We have to look for a balance.

And if you don't like "What about this guy/woman" posts then don't post on them.
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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-21-05 12:06 PM
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46. Perhaps you need to consider both good and bad
Edited on Sat May-21-05 12:07 PM by hlthe2b
about your candidate. No one is without faults. I am fair and others here have generally been as well in terms of their criticism of Schultz.

I don't dislike Schultz and appreciate what he has to offer. But, he has aspects that make him undesirable as a candidate, including his tendency to publically attack other Dems on a syndicated radio show. Perhaps he will learn as others point out these issues to him. If so, that is a "good thing," as Martha would say.
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Quixote1818 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-21-05 01:56 PM
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51. Umm, the first line in my original post points out that he is not perfect
You absolutely were not fair in your comments in your criticism of Schultz as others have been. Others did not give misleading information like yours did.

As far as him attacking other Democrats? So what! I thought decent was celebrated on the left? According the the following post he attacked Republicans when he was a conservative host. I find it refreshing that he is an independent thinker but I guess you would prefer a ditto head Democrat.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=3698866&mesg_id=3700728&page=
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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-21-05 05:33 PM
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63. Do you deny he has attacked other Dems?
Edited on Sat May-21-05 05:43 PM by hlthe2b
No, in fact you defend that. So, how may I ask have I been unfair in pointing out what you, yourself, admit. And, sorry, I won't be a sycophant for Ed Schultz or anyone else. I did indicate I like him in many ways. I agree he is a good radio personality and appreciate that he seems able to "bridge the divide" somewhat. But sorry, I don't believe he is the answer to our 08 ticket. And, that IS being fair.

We can agree that he is an effective radio host, but as to the VP, I say we agree to disagree.


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Quixote1818 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-21-05 08:20 PM
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66. You were unfair because your last line on your first post
gave a one sided picture. You made it sound like Schultz was attacking every democrat that moved almost making it sound like he was not a Democrat. For instance you mentioned he attacked Moveon but failed to elaborate that many other Democrats attacked Moveon for the same reason he did. That gives a false impression of his motives. Anyone who had not listened to his show or know why he attacked Moveon would get the impression he was just attacking Moveon because he is not really a Democrat and he hated the organization. I don't think you expected anyone to catch that and when I did you changed your tactics in the debate rather than apologies. You were just trying to make Ed sound as bad as possible and that is wrong. Don't play dumb with me just to try to win an argument, admit your first post was a little deceptive. How hard is that??? Look at many of my posts above! When someone makes a good point in opposition to me I tell them they made a good point then give my reasons why I think they are wrong or else change my opinion!


If you don't think Ed would help us win then give your reasons but attacking his character is not what this this post is about. Stick to the topic at hand.
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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-22-05 11:57 AM
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72. I said Schultz attacks Dems on his show--which he has
I have not attacked his character. I believe he does (now) agree with DEM ideals. However, he can disagree with Dems/Dem organizations, but to make it the sole focus of his show, as he did with MOVEON is damaging.

BTW, while being so very critical of MOVEON, Dean, fellow progressive radio personality Randi Rhodes, and others, Schultz (unintentionally?) carries water for the REPUGs because of his naivete'/unwilligness to inform himself on the issues. Did you fail to hear his piece with RW shill Howie Kutz? Note this similar opinion from another poster:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=3705157&mesg_id=3705188

As I said, we should agree since as indicated, I agree on much that you presented. I do believe Schultz has a place and is valuable in his own way. Not VP material though, IMO.
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chaska Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-21-05 12:25 PM
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48. Funniest thing I've read today. But doesn't this belong in the lounge?
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Quixote1818 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-21-05 01:48 PM
Response to Reply #48
49. Thats what Democrats said about Bush being president
yet look where he is today? Take the time to actually read the text of the original post before making condescending comments about an outside the box suggestion. You might learn something if your mind is open.

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thebigidea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-21-05 01:54 PM
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50. outside the litterbox, maybe
if he's so charismatic, he should be able to make Governor before running, right?

Bush wasn't a radio host before running for President, so enough with that comparison.
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Quixote1818 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-21-05 02:02 PM
Response to Reply #50
52.  His Dad was not President of the USA
and Schultz never ran for Gov. Perhaps he could win if he did just like Ventura a Professional Wrestler ran and won. I don't have a clue what on earth you are trying to say?

Usually people who are talk show hosts are considered charismatic. Thats why they are talk show hosts. Think about that a little bit.
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thebigidea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-21-05 02:10 PM
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53. i'm saying if he's such a great Prez choice, why doesn't he run for Gov?
Because when running for President, it does tend to help if you've ever held a single elected position in your lifetime.

Dunno why that is. Weird, huh?
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Quixote1818 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-21-05 02:22 PM
Response to Reply #53
55. Presidental choice?????
This is a discussion of VP choice. Take the time to read the title of the origional post much less the body of the post. :eyes:
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thebigidea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-21-05 02:23 PM
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56. ok, pretend the word "vice" is in there then reply again.
Edited on Sat May-21-05 02:31 PM by thebigidea
because the argument still stands, no matter the eye-rollin'

you're the one who brought "President" into it anyway with the Bush stuff that I was responding to...

Then again, don't bother with a reply - I doubt it'll be very interesting anyway.

To say nothing of "origionality!"

(see, its fun to mock typos... and with that, I take my leave.)
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Quixote1818 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-21-05 02:28 PM
Response to Reply #56
58. Actually that is a good point
That certainly would be a big criticism however it's possible he could get passed it. Many people have run for President who did not hold elected office before. Pat Robertson, Forbes etc. etc. This is only VP so he would be given more slack I think.
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Drewskie Donating Member (465 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-21-05 08:23 PM
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68. Governor
Ed had two choices when he quit radio on a local level: Bring his talk show to a national audience or run for governor of North Dakota. We all know the choice...
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Drewskie Donating Member (465 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-21-05 03:03 PM
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61. radio
In support of the guy, it would be difficult to sound like a genius for 3 hours at a time every day on the radio, particularly when you don't know what issue the caller is going to bring up. Limbaugh would never take calls like that... he just could'nt do it. Never the less, Schultz could be better informed on certain issues, the bankruptcy bill being the most glaring example perhaps. But when he's not, it's good to hear a caller offer up a piece of cogent information. I don't see what's wrong with that... That's what gives his show a certain charm others lack: the caller can grab the spotlight and become the star so to speak

He's at his best, imho, when criticizing Bush and going after the right wing "sound machine". I listen, when I have time, just because of the way he goes after Bush... does'nt over do it and is humorous. And I don't really care what he's said in the past; the important thing is what he's saying now.

But to address the question at hand, he needs to stay on the radio. He's a bit too much like Jesse Ventura for my tastes, though waaay smarter, which is saying something.
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Quixote1818 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-21-05 08:27 PM
Response to Reply #61
69. Thanks for your well thought out post
It's nice to see someone actually debate the topic at hand rather than just attack Ed as not being a Democrat. It's possible that Ed might turn some voters off. I still think he should be put on the short list when time comes to see what different voting groups think of him. He could just be the right ingredient for those hard to get swing voters while at the same time not turn other groups off enough to hurt us. Thats really my main point here.
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demo dutch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-21-05 08:22 PM
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67. You have got to kidding!!!
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Quixote1818 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-21-05 08:29 PM
Response to Reply #67
70. Could you please read the post
then give your arguements rather than put up a meaningless post. You might learn something along the way.
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demo dutch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-21-05 09:18 PM
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71. I read it, and those are my thoughts, I can't stand the guy, Sorry but
Edited on Sat May-21-05 09:39 PM by demo dutch
he sounds like a leftie Limbaugh, and doesn't like criticism either. It's the only show my Air America station airs I can't stand listening to. Just because he's a well-liked talk show host, doesn't mean he's VP material! The role of the VP has evolved to a level, that in my view we need to aim a little higher in this county, let's think a little broader! let's say someone with actual qualifications, a little more worldly, to help us get out of the mess the last "guy next door" created.

Take Edwards, for example, connects with the common guy because of his background, but at least you can present him to the rest of the world. I know everyone is desperate but come on!
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kaitykaity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-22-05 12:00 PM
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73. I don't like him because he's an asshole.

If you disagree with him about anything, he blows you
off with "get a life."

He's a sexist prig pretender who is just riding AAR's
gravy train.

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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-22-05 06:31 PM
Response to Reply #73
74. I would be curious to see what % of his MOST devoted fan base.
are Male....

I can't help but be curious....
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kaitykaity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-22-05 06:38 PM
Response to Reply #74
75. Nearly 90% or more of his callers are male, I know that much.
I can't listen to him anymore. When I can, I stream
Randi, or I switch to music. He makes me nauseous.
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demo dutch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-22-05 07:28 PM
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76. I totally agree! He sounds like a Limbaugh wanna be but on the left side!
Edited on Sun May-22-05 07:30 PM by demo dutch
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