i dont use sunscreen on my boys

[seabeyond]

do we:

a. assume i lack information and lecture me on the dangers of sunburns and dismiss anything i might say

b. say i dont love my kids, obviuously

c. that i am irresponsible stupid evil. must be a repug

d. take away the kids

e. have a conversaton to understand why i may not chose sunscreen, at least giving me the opportunity of proving (like i should) to you i am a responsible loving caring aware parent

[cheezus]

1. neither do I

but then, they hardly ever leave my trunks

[indy_azcat]

7. Awww crap, that one got me.

:rofl:

[trotsky]

2. Are you just intent on disrupting today, or what? n/t

[seabeyond]

10. disruptive?

am i being hostile. a question is disruptive? wow.

[trotsky]

90. You don't have to be hostile to be disruptive.

Just make a bunch of controversial posts, then run away or barely respond.

[ultraist]

3. .

:popcorn:

[noiretextatique]

20. mind if i join you?

i've got :beer: and :smoke: to go with your :popcorn:

[ultraist]

38. LOL! Please do.

:toast:

[paula777]

97. LOL .... doing the same thing

[K8-EEE]

4. Why Are You So Defensive?

Jesus, can't you wait til someone SAYS a, b, c, or d to get your panties all bunched up about it?

If you want to tell us why you don't use sunscreen, go ahead otherwise why bring it up.

[redqueen]

47. Because being disruptive is fun to some people.

:eyes:

[seabeyond]

108. because i dont agree with you

i am disruptive. i think i have been respectful in my posts. i think i have expressed honestly and tried to be through in that expression. so what part of me is disruptive. the simple not agreeing.

[redqueen]

112. No, what's disruptive is the way you say it...

you can't just say 'I don't use sunscreen and here's why, so you shouldn't judgve blah blah blah...'... no, instead you portray these arguments that show the worst side of any contrary opinion before anyone even responds, which you know will irritate people.

[seabeyond]

118. no, it is because

all these things have been said about people on this board when they dont fall in line. because i know i am taking care of my kids, with the decisions i make. and if it allows one person to think twice in making assumption that is nifty. and it is painless too. doesnt have to hurt

if i had to answer my own question, the first thing out of my mouth would be why. and i would listen. i wonder why we dont do that much anymore. and even when presented with evidence, i am a good parent, and aware of what is up with science, and medicine and my children, their bodies, how they consume things and their peculiarities, still it is not good enough for many. and yes, that i do challnege. but then i am allowed to arent i. we dont want people that will just do whatever because we are told. kinda the mess we are in now with bush

[Arugula Latte]

5. More info. please.

I'll choose "e." Please 'splain. Thanks. :hi:

[seabeyond]

17. because i am not comfortable with the ingredients in

sunscreen and dont believe on generously lathering the boys in it. i am not fond of the idea of chemicals absorbing into skin. though not wanting to be extreme i also understand would take a long period for any issue of snscreen absorbing in skin. i also dont like bug repellent for that reason though occassionally i will use. also because i dont want them to become dependent on sunscreen to keep them safe of the sun. i would rather inform them on all this stuff, and allow them to be aware so they can monitor it themselve. allowing them to be the person responsible for themselves. they will take the best care of themselves

also because i dont like going out in middle of day, having grown up in az and we mostly spend the time outdoors from morning til 12, and then later into day thru night. but if we are out at the hottest time of day, be aware of body, including adaquit supply of water. we have a yard with huge trees everywhere. when they are out at the strongest time, they by nature go to the shade, from what i have observed over all these years.

my children have never had a sunburn at 7 and 10.

we trust our own internal awareness than the sunscreen, allowing possible spot sunburns, not getting on in time, not paying attention thinking sunscreen has done the job. staying out in sun longer than is good for you, overheating, dehydration

so i have thought about it, rather a person agrees with me.

and my children arent being harmed. because i take care of them.

[TrogL]

26. The world has changed - literally

I tan easily. When I was a kid, I almost never got sunburn despite living in a Northern California-style climate and spending most days in or around the pool. Nobody had heard of sunscreen. Many people wore suntanning cream. Some people did eventually get skin cancer and dried out skin in old age.

Now I go out in the sun in a Northern climate and I've got a burn in half an hour.

That ozone layer does make a big difference.

Use sunscreen, even in the shade. It only takes one stray UV-ray to get cancer started.

[seabeyond]

Use sunscreen, even in the shade

no, lol lol. funny. but i was in calif in the 70's a swimmer had a tan year around. we use to put cooking oil on. ah well

[Arugula Latte]

42. I grew up in California in the 70s as well.

I am causasian, but come August, I was a deep, dark shade of brown.

Now I live in Oregon so that takes care of the sun problems for lots of the year! LOL.

[K8-EEE]

65. 3 Of My High School Graduating Class Have Gotten Skin Cancer

In their 30s and early 40's which used to be rare in our parent's generation, to get it so young.

All fair skinned, all tanners. One of them last I heard it had spread and she wasn't expected to recover. The other two have been treated successfully and are religious about protecting their skin.

There are other ways besides sunscreen -- you can wear protective clothing or stay in the shade. I'm not going to assume you just take fair skin kids and let them fry in the sun as you didn't say it, but I do worry that you may be as vibey/passive aggressive with them as your initial post here, hope not!

[seabeyond]

72. i dont know a single person that has sun cancer n/t

"I'm not going to assume you just take fair skin kids and let them fry"

thank you for making that assumption. my kids have never been a smidge red

"that you may be as vibey/passive aggressive with them "

hm...........lmao. wow

[TrogL]

79. My brother in law got skin cancer in the 70's

He worked outside as a tour guide operator - contantly in the sun.

He had it surgically removed and he's been fine since.

You don't have to get sunburned to get skin cancer.

Cancer starts with one cell going haywire and spreading. The less exposure to UV, the less chance of it starting.

[K8-EEE]

85. Vanity Note: The Sun Is More Aging Than AGE!

I live in L.A. and hike every day and I wear protective EVERYTHING, hat, sunglasses and sunscreen...I'm 45 and lemme tell ya the girls at my HS reunions who were tanning bunnies have big time crows feet, they look OLD. You don't have to burn -- tanning is your skin's reaction to sun damage, and thank you to my high school dermotologist who made that point with me early on.

[K8-EEE]

80. Hey If You Don't Think...

that your post was a vibey/passive aggressive/pick a fight with me so I can feel persecuted thing, then OK but I sure do. Do you yell at your kids for giving a) b) c) d) answers before they even open their mouths? Hope not!

[seabeyond]

86. Do you yell at your kids for giving a) b) c) d)

lol lol and these comments are so full of love and grace. i hear ya

peace

[aeolian]

96. "It only takes one stray UV-ray to get cancer started."

:hide:

In that case, don't use incandescant light bulbs, don't look at stars, avoid blacklights...in fact, just stay in the basement.


(relax, that wasn't a flame...although flames give off UV radiation as well!)

[Lorien]

104. Yep-both my doctor and vet say as much

four of my relatives have had skin cancer-and one of my cats lost a limb to it. Skin cancer rates have soared in the past 15 years due to the thinning ozone layer-even casual exposure under cloudy skies for 10 minutes a day is enough to cause skin cancer. If you don't like what's in Coppertone, use one of the many organic choices at your local health food store. Or don't. They're your kids-you're the one who will be answering to them in the future, not me.

[lukasahero]

28. I won't use bug repellent with DEET

on my skin - heck I don't even have it in the house to use on clothes - but there are lots of natural alternatives to DEET. Have you ever looked into whether or not natural sunscreens are available so you wouldn't have to worry about the toxins getting into your boys' skin?

[seabeyond]

32. i havent found the natural ones to work as well

my oldest gets eaten alive. i could have ten kids in the back yard, not spray them, spray son, and will still be son that gets eaten. then he swells. seems like once getting the poison in after the first few bites, he doesnt react as bad. but this has been a challenge for year, with oldest. we bought a machine a couple years ago to suck the mosquitos up, works ok

[lukasahero]

37. I've got "the machine" too - mosquito magnet?

In fact, I've got two. They work ok but since we're near a stream/wetland, we need them just to be outside at all.

Sorry to hear about your oldest, especially in these times with all the diseases mosquitos are carrying about.

I was actually suggesting you try to find a natural sunscreen, not mosquito repellant. It sounds like you take precautions, but if you found something that was natural, you'd have the best of both worlds, I think. (PS - I've never looked so I don't know if such a thing even exists - it was just a thought.)

[TrogL]

82. We have to use DEET up here

We've got a disease up here spread by deer-ticks.

http://www-2.cs.cmu.edu/afs/cs.cmu.edu/user/jake/mosaic/lyme.html

DEET's the only thing that will keep them away.

[seabeyond]

89. and then see have something like this yup

went to cape cod with what is it in deer, and used it on kids while we were there. yup

[lukasahero]

91. Yeah - lyme disease, we have it too.

I still prefer natural alternatives to DEET on my skin. If I'm going to be in the swamp, I wear protective clothing and spray that. I don't have kids though and might treat that differently.

There's also a neat new product line by a company called BUZZ-OFF that actually makes insect repellent clothes. I took a pair of shorts to climb a volcano in a West Indies rain forest last year and they worked great!!

[flyarm]

94. deet is a must in north east!

my sister got lymes terrible..her body would go into convulsive attacks and she could do nothing as she was always sick..or sick feeling and worn out from it, headaches daily..i would wish it on no one..i don't like deet..but after seeing what my sister went through..i see no alternative when the ticks are about.

[lukasahero]

116. I'm in Mass - assume that qualifies as Northeast and I don't use DEET

Knowledge is better. If you know where they live, when they're infectious (May and June, not all year long) and how to dress properly when you're going to be in heavily infested areas, it's really not too hard to protect yourself.

I agree it's a horrible disease and I'm sorry for your sister. There is treatment available now if you catch the early indicators. Sounds like she didn't get them.

[im10ashus]

60. Trust me on this one.

There are safe sunscreens out there for children. And even if you aren't comfortable with that, comfort yourself in knowing this, skin cancer is one of the most painful ways to die. Do you want your children to die a painful death? I would think not. With all the information we have regarding sun-damaged skin, the depletion of the ozone, and all the research done to prevent skin cancer, your alternatives aren't looking so good. Please protect them. Peace.

[seabeyond]

73. most painful ways to die. Do you want your children to die a painful death

this is the classic example. wow

[Bluerthanblue]

63. you are fortunate

to have a choice in allowing them to be 'exposed' to the sun-
and i DO agree with you about the 'unknown' risks in many of today's very 'accepted' products-

Like DEET, - a PABA free sunscreen is better (from my understanding) i am like one of the posters who is VERY light skinned red-head, as is my oldest, i burned horribly as a child, and have some pre-cancerous signs that do worry me- My father was also similarly 'colored' and grew up farming, no way to avoid the 'mid-day' sun, and covering yourself with anything other than a t-shirt and hat is just TOO hot-

i've also experienced sun-poisoning, again because of HAVING to be in the sun during peak hours (haying) it's no picnic-

You are making an informed decision based on your desire to protect your children,- it's not the same 'choice' i am making, but our reasons both have validity- i DO agree that the sun IS more damaging today than it was years ago- the ozone layer is compromised- ever noticed how quickly clothes hung out to dry in the sun fade SO fast these days?

This is similar to the 'choice' to have a child circumcised or not (religious reasons aside)- there is believeable 'evidence' to support both positions-

You are making a CHOICE not just 'letting them fend for themselves'-
that makes all the difference in my opinion.

[seabeyond]

75. thankyou

as are you even though you arent thrilled with the ingredients. i would never, second guess you. i am quiet comfortable in you own ability to take care of you.

and yes i have discussed the difference with my children in the sun today, and the sun yesterday

[snooper2]

113. Do you use soap, shampoo, toothpaste, mouthwash, nailpolish,

etc.,etc.,etc.,???

[seabeyond]

119. yes i ma aware of this issue to

and had that same feeling as i did with sunscreen and deet. and i have taken particualr actions with each one for that reason. especially with children. it doesnt mean we dont use those products, but there are easy enough things to do that reduces the amount.

example toothpaste. barely use any on brush, spit out and good rinsing, twice.

wash hair every couple days during school and two or three days during summer.

no nail poilish for that reason, and just out of favor with it. and boys dont need it. though i wouldnt be opposed if they wanted to wear it from time to time, out of expression, wink

[ret5hd]

6. i vote for:

interrogation after 48 hrs in a "stress position", no water, no sleep, and repeated kicks to the legs.

oh, wait, you're not a military guard are you?

[seabeyond]

18. lol you are funny n/t

[Demit]

8. I would ask you which boys you were talking about

Honest. LOL! I thought when I saw the title that this was going to be a naughty thread.

[seabeyond]

21. if you want it to be naughty, go for it

enjoy it is yours to do. respectfully, wink

[Demit]

25. well, I think I remember from other threads that you're female, so it

wouldn't be quite appropriate. I will say, though, it's probably better to keep your boys protected most times anyway, especially in contact sports. :)

[Inland]

66. Ba-ha-ha-ha. Doncha ya hate it when a thread looks promising

and it isn't dirty at all?

[Goldmund]

9. I don't use sunscreen either.

[in_cog_ni_to]

11. Well, all I can say is

I don't care if you sunscreen your kids or not, but my son got my skin and burns within minutes if in the sun. I'm a redhead with very pale, easily burned skin and if I don't end up with skin cancer, I will consider myself VERY lucky. I had more blistering sunburns as a child than I care to count. I wish my parent's had had the option of sunscreen in those days.

It's really none of my business how you protect your kids from future diseases. :hi:

[Lannes]

12. Some reports say sunscreen is bad for you

Because you stay in the sun longer because your skin doesnt turn red which is your bod's way of telling you to get into the shade.

[in_cog_ni_to]

22. I thought sunscreen screened the

ultra violet rays from being absorbed into the skin. I've never read those reports. When I wear sunscreen my skin doesn't turn red. When the skin absorbs the rays then is when the skin is burned and red. If your skin isn't red and burned, did it still absorb the rays or not? :shrug:

Any DU doctors want to chime in?

[seabeyond]

27. i have heard something on this recently

but didnt pay much attention to it becasue, well you see not an issue with me. but it was recent.

on edit, i do have to do with husbands skin cause not the same as mine and he goes out for hours in garden mid day, wink. but his skin is sensitive. we are all unique in body. why a blanket rule doesnt work. for me anyway

[comsymp]

34. "why a blanket rule doesnt work. for me anyway"

Methinks you just nailed it.

Thanks!

[seabeyond]

44. thank you n/t

[Lannes]

31. Its an older article but..

here is something from mother jones a few years back.

http://www.motherjones.com/news/outfront/1998/05/wellbeing.html

an exerpt:

"In a 1993 Mother Jones article ("Beach Bummer," May/June), I reported that sunscreen may actually contribute to skin cancer. It prolongs people's time in the sun by preventing the only natural melanoma warning system human skin has—sunburn. Berwick didn't go that far, but in noting the mounting evidence against sunscreen, she credited Mother Jones for its reporting.

What's changed in the five years since our report? More studies prove this link, melanoma rates are rising about 6 percent each year, and sunscreen sales are continuing to climb."

[gollygee]

39. Their cause/effect is all screwed up

my dad has skin cancer. Most people get the burns that cause skin cancer as children, but the skin cancer doesn't actually start until they're adults, sometimes even elderly. So when my dad got his burns that caused his skin cancer, he was a child in the 1940s. His skin cancer has been being treated for about 10 years. People who are/were children after sunscreen became popular haven't gotten to an age where we'll be able to see what the skin cancer rates are.

[Lannes]

46. Writer argues that you can get skin cancer alot sooner

In as little as 2 years of over exposure.

[gollygee]

61. Well that writer has opinions in conflict with the medical community

As someone who apparently has a genetic predisposition (since my dad has it) I'll wear a hat, wear sunscreen, stay in the shade, and not go out in the hottest part of the day. And I'll do the same for my daughter.

All we can do as parents sometimes is work with statistics and the best medical information that is available.

[seabeyond]

48. what if he was genetically predisposed

seems to me that is the much greater factor in skin cancer. wouldn't the be a consideration, and why is sun automatically to blame.

really just question, no challenging you what so ever.

[Lannes]

53. Its ok

I didnt write it,just playing devil's advocate like you.Peace.

[gollygee]

56. He's the first person in my extended family to have it

if there's a genetic predisposition, I'm not aware of it.

It's skin cancer from sun exposure. That's why the sun is to blame.

[redqueen]

52. We need way more scientsts on this board.

This much is all too clear.

Thanks for chiming in with that important tidbit.

[seabeyond]

24. post 17, without being conditioned and having put thought

into it. if you look at post 17 that is one of the things i concluded on my own. now, i cant get sister in law and grandparents to even listen to my reason, they dismiss me. they start at a, then go to c......try b.....and end up at c again

they also had a daughter on our florida vacation out for two days because of dehydration. spending too long on the beach. we not only put the gaterade in the kids, but after 1 and half i pulled them in. they stay out much longer.

[Ripley]

13. You know seabeyond...

I agree with you that sometimes our government and liberals want to get too involved with how people raise their children. There seems to be so many rules and regulations and sometimes hysterias that are baseless or based upon minuscule cases. The one that comes to mind to me is the peanuts ban in airplanes for awhile, because some children have bad allergic reactions. Overboard.

I played Jarts as a kid. No one got hurt that I know of in my neighborhood. Etc....

But sunscreen is different. The planet has changed! Due to the destruction of the ozone layer all over this planet due to pollutants, more people are getting skin cancer! Fact.

My grandparents were farmers and didn't use sunscreen and never had skin cancer. But my parents played golf occasionally, not daily and both have a form of it. The stats don't lie on this one.

But I know you are just trying to make a point. Maybe lay off DU awhile and decompress.

[lukasahero]

23. Actually the peanuts ban may not be the best example - as you say -

"The planet has changed!"

More and more children are developing life-threatening allergies to peanuts and other foods (mostly because of the way we are growing them). Since airplanes have closed circulation, if a person in front of one of those kids opens a bag of peanuts, the dust from the bag gets into the air and can, quite literally, kill some children. Peanut allergies ain't what they used to be (but then, neither are most of the peanuts due to the pesticides they're grown with).

Other than that though, I agree with you totally and I think there are many other examples that illustrate your point. (The old "Contents are hot" marked on hot coffee cups might be one for the books.)

[seabeyond]

41. ah, hot coffee is another one

bet someone will follow your thread and agree totally with your post yet say, but the coffee issue.............

business do have a responsibility, other wise i agree, but the pesticides on our fruits and veggie? (see this is my to do. why i know peoples to do's. i have my own. pesticides on my fruit and veggies bother me huge. i dont dictate to others though. i recognize it is my thing. i dont tell my brother who doesnt wash, he is going ot hell. (ok drama, but in jest))

[lukasahero]

83. I get what you're saying but

(Ok, you knew there'd be a but, right? :-))

I don't want to tell anyone they have to wash their vegetables. I do think it's important for people to be aware that because everything we eat is grown with pesticides now that we end up eating more of them and that's why not only more kids have allergies to them but the allergic reactions are more severe.

Again, I don't care what you do, but I do care what corporations do. If no one is going to hold them in check then we might as well give up because they'll be back to doing everything for the bottom dollar and screw the little people who get hurt along the way. If they decide to serve peanuts on a plane and a kid dies from it, do you think anyone should be held accountable for that? (Or should it be the parent's responsibility for exposing him/her to the risk in the first place?)

[seabeyond]

93. (Ok, you knew there'd be a but, right? )

ah, you made me laugh like i havent laughed all day. so cute. now i will read.


shhhhh, you arent going to like my answer to this. no one does. ok only between you and i.........shit happens. we do the best we can. we be aware informed. we chose our risks. i have to assume i am doing ok. a deacade, no hospitals, no illness, pretty easy life for boys up to now. we get along, we respect one another, we are risk conscious.

but shit happens

peanut. if i had a child with peanut issue, i would make damn sure i had them in an enviroment that wouldnt cause them harm, i had necessary life saving whatever with me, well informed and if there was the chance that a peanut dust would fly all the way to childs nose, then their ass wouldnt be on that plane. no trip would be important enough for me.

that airlines have done this fine. not my issue. but ultimately, no i dont give that responsibility of my child massive allergy to an airline.

[lukasahero]

120. Fair enough

At least you accept that responsibility. Thanks for the explanation.

[amazona]

54. cause of peanut allergy

I don't think peanuts grow any differently than they ever did. More dangerous pesticides in higher amounts were used in the past than are in use today.

My understanding is that the soaring rates in peanut allergy are a result of the soaring rates of exposure to children to soy products at very early ages. Apparently there is a cross-tolerance or lack of tolerance. That's the speculation I heard anyway. To the best of my knowledge, no one knows for CERTAIN the cause of these allergies.

The conservation movement is a breeding ground of communists
and other subversives. We intend to clean them out,
even if it means rounding up every birdwatcher in the country.
--John Mitchell, US Attorney General 1969-72

[seabeyond]

59. and first child before they came out with information on soy milk

had that because of his digestive system. started reading up on te soy issue a couple years off the bottle. glory be.

[seabeyond]

36. Maybe lay off DU awhile

i think so. and yes the peanut is a good example. could start a thread on that one. would be amazing to see the high alert. bt as i say above. i teach to respect the sun. that is how we chose to do it. and so far it has worked out better than fine. thank you

also, if skin cancer was in the family, would change the whole conversation for me

[Ripley]

64. But the problem with that is...

My parents were only diagnosed with their skin cancer recently (and they are in their 70's). It doesn't run in my family, otherwise. From what I understand, it takes a long time for the damaged skin to show up. I'm not a health care professional, so I can't tell you for sure.

I guess I just don't buy the argument that sunscreens are unhealthy. They are VERY different from bug repellent's like DEET, so that comparison is moot.

Yes, common sense is a good way to live one's life and instill this in your children. But the reason people are seeing more skin cancer is due to a couple of factors.

Not just the ozone thinning. But the misuse of sunscreens as well. When people give the argument that sunscreen sales are through the roof and everyone has a bottle at the beach...so they must not work...I must cry "foul!"

Applying sunscreen on your kid at 9:00 am and letting him/her run loose at the beach all day is not using the protection properly. You have to reapply often, especially after swimming.

I'm the last person to tell you how to raise your children. But I think it is telling that you said you'd change your mind if it ran in your family. Maybe skin cancer has not manifested itself in your parents, or other older relatives just yet.

[Individualist]

14. How about giving us your reasons

for not using sunscreen?

[seabeyond]

50. post 17

someone already asked. thank you

[medeak]

15. was nearly turned into child welfare

after husband took kids on camping trip and the youngest had 3rd degree burns...forgot to put sun screen on his back and backs of legs while floating on lake.

I had a lot of 'splainin to do at medical clinic. (Natch it wasn't the husband who had to suffer for it)

[seabeyond]

51. right, i have seen and heard this before n/t

[Divameow77]

16. I'll bite, C

that's obviously the answer you were looking for.

[supernova]

19. Um, this is not the best example

I don't exactly know what your point is, but I hardly think this is a good example.

And sunscreen isn't just for us blonde-haired blue-eyed souls either. Anybody can get sunburned now.

[seabeyond]

55. example of what? it was a question n/t

[ultraist]

68. That's true!

My son is Black and very dark skinned and he has gotten burned before. Skin cancer is not very common in Blacks, but we will see an increase due to the hole in the ozone layer.

We generally have both our children put on sun screen if they are going to be out in the summer direct sun for more than an hour. My daughter is white and very light, she's high risk for skin cancer. Why take the chance?

A friend of mine's father had skin cancer on his face and it grew into his eye before he realized to have it checked and treated. The key is to catch it early, as with any cancer.

[alarimer]

69. It isn't just about preventing sunburn

It is about limiting the damage the suns rays do to all exposed skin. It causes cancer, that's true, butalso has a number of undesirable (depending on your viewpoint)effects like wrinkles.

I spend a lot of time in the sun for my job and would never consider not using sunscreen even on a cloudy day in January. Everyone who is outside at all needs to have some protection from the sun. either use sunscreen or cover up from head to toe- long sleeves and long pants as well as a hat that protects the neck as well. It is irresponsible to let kids get a sunburn. One, it is painful (and unecessary) and causes a lot of damage that may result in cancer later on. I am using sunscreen now but years ago when I was a kid I mostly didn't and got severely burned on occasion. It remains to be seen whether that results in cancer. I can't avoid going outside so I do what I can to prevent it. Suncreens are safe enough these days that the chemicals are not really anything to worry about. I also using insect repellent with DEET because West Nile virus is whole lot less fun.

[supernova]

77. Yep. I use DEET too

Not only for the mosquitoes but for the ticks. I don't enjoy Rocky Mountain Spotted Fever nor Lyme Disease either. :silly:

I don't spray it on my skin though. I spray it around my shoes and ankles and up around my shoulders. On my clothes for the most part. It keeps most of the pests away.

[seabeyond]

84. repellent with DEET because West Nile virus is whole lot less fun.

this is where we differ. niles was a comin. seeing it come down the east coast, along the eastern southern coast, creepingits was to texas. again, i have a son that all mosquitos like. i had to make a choice. be fearful of west niles, that may or may not get him, or deet. i chose west niles. after doing research on the disease, instead of the hysteria of it, that i feared too, i found out was a flu, acted like a flu, the majority got it and didnt know they had it. others experienced like a flu, and a few died.

i took the risk with my boys over deet. and keeping them inside all day, for two months of summer when mosquitoes were bad.

once a person gets west niles, they dont get it again

i wish i had the same opportunity for boys to get chicken pox instead of vaccination. though a few, very few children die of it, most all dont. i would have rather taken that risk, then vaccination. i really didnt want to put that into my kids, especially oldest, that tends to act austistic at times. and what appears, especially after vaccination

[supernova]

100. It sounds like you are wary of a lot of

modern technology, er. chemical technology.

[seabeyond]

105. i dont trust our corporation, shouldnt be a tough one for people on this

board. no i dont. nope. i am pretty sure they dont have issue hiding things from us. for example, soy milk. for the first year of first childs life i fed him soy milk. all the information, doctors everyone said it was good. i asked a lot of questions and did research. three years later a new study comes out with soy milk for babies.

i didnt like that, no

[supernova]

109. Hell, just living is a risk

Everything is about tradeoffs.

I don't know a single thing that's 100% good or 100% bad. We all have to make the risks that are acceptable to us.

edit: Re: the milk. I am lactose intolerate and was, therefore, a cholicky baby. I haven't drunk plain cows milk since I was about 7 or 8, when I figured out it upset my stomach. I now prefer yogurt and cheese, or low-carb milk.

My point is, if you don't like one thing, there are alternatives.

[seabeyond]

111. single thing that's 100% good or 100% bad.

kinda my point. i dont like sunscreen so i chose other ways to keep children safe in outdoors, with risks in sun

[beam me up scottie]

29. .

[Extend a Hand]

30. I don't understand

why some posters would consider this post a disruption. :shrug:

I use sunscreen and advise my kids to use sunscreen but only on days when we are planning all day swimming and boating activities.

On a daily basis I do wear makeup that has a low spf sunscreen and a hat if I'm going to be outside during the hottest part of the day. As a fair-skinned, freckled person it saves me a lot of agony later.

It is my opinion that whether or not you choose to wear sunscreen or to have your children wear sunscreen is *entirely* up to you. I would be curious to know what you do instead? or maybe you are lucky and just have really dark skin like my husband that rarely burns? And/Or have you read some studies about possible dangers from sunscreen?-- if so can you post me a link?

[seabeyond]

70. post 17

my skin sucks up the sun, loves it so. i sit under shade all the time. become very intolerant of heat the older i get. i swear the sun will turn corners to come to me, wink

i do like a little sun on my children, regularly, because i do like the vitamins in the sun. i think the skin does well with a little, here me clearly people, a little sun. feels good

my motto in life, moderation, moderation, moderation
and keep it simple, silly. kiss

[Logansquare]

33. Oh yeah, we are going to take away your kids

because you don't use sunscreen. That's what we big government moonbats do, don't we? I wish you'd stop trolling and just take off your mask.

[Blue-Jay]

35. f. Invite a flamewar for no particular reason.

:shrug:

[gollygee]

40. Is this thread really about sunscreen or is it about spanking?

just curious.

[beam me up scottie]

57. I thought it was smoking?

or was that an hour ago...

[gollygee]

67. LOL

something about how we're too careful with our kids?

Most people back in "the day" gave birth to 8 kids and had 5 survive to adulthood. We arent' reading any threads about that.

[beam me up scottie]

76. Liberal progressives

are evil and controlling.
Wasn't that the message on the koolaid package?
:evilgrin:

[redqueen]

114. DING DING DING DING DING!

I hate kool aid.

[beam me up scottie]

121. Me too.

isn't kool aid bad for you?

[amazona]

43. "we" or at least "I" mind my own business

I couldn't care less if you use sunscreen on your children. I seriously doubt that most people do. It runs into their eyes and makes them scream and be most unpleasant in public places so far be it from me to tell you that you should be using this product. It would go against my own interests in the quiet life.

As my friend likes to say, We wouldn't care so much about what people thought of us if we realized how seldom they do.

The conservation movement is a breeding ground of communists
and other subversives. We intend to clean them out,
even if it means rounding up every birdwatcher in the country.
--John Mitchell, US Attorney General 1969-72

[hunter]

45. I put sunscreen on my kids and cover them up and here's why...

I grew up on the beach in southern California. I was brown as a kid, even though my "natural" skin color is white. Now that I'm a middle aged and very cranky old fart I am God Damned Fucking Go To Hell tired of staying awake at night waiting for pathology reports about the freakish things the doctor has cut out of my skin.

Is that clear enough?????

[tjdee]

49. f. Not care in the slightest.

I've been gone most of the day, but from reading this thread apparently there's been some sort of "liberals are bad" thread somewhere else.

In this particular case, I'd have to say fine, don't use it. It doesn't hurt me none. I don't use it either (LOL, I'm an African American who doesn't burn...probably should use it though).

But--if 20 years from now one of your kids has skin cancer and is on Medicaid/needs the state/country's help paying for his treatment, then we'll have to have a different talk, LOL.

[beam me up scottie]

58. point

set

[aeolian]

62. Anything but "e"!!! We must assume that you are an awful person

based on a first-reading of a few lines of text.

It's the way of the internets.

Now go wrap your children in flannel, you awful parent, you.

[gollygee]

71. I didn't answer your poll - I'll do a modified A

A = you are ignorant (lack information or have misinformation) but I won't give you a lecture unless you ask for one.

[Cleita]

74. You don't have to use sunscreen but...trust me,

most of my friends who were beachniks back in the fifties and sixties and who were always striving to have a deep tan are now in their sixties and fighting skin cancer. It's treatable usually and won't kill you if you follow your physician's advice, but the peeling skin, sores and scabs aren't attractive.

If you don't use sunscreen then make sure your kids are covered up and wear sunhats or stay in the shade, especially if they are very fair.

[ultraist]

87. 90% of sun damage occurs before the age of 18

It IS true that skin cancer shows up later, long after the damage was done.

[ultraist]

88. sorry dupe

[seabeyond]

102. post 17

i take care of my kids. they have never had a sunburn. they play in the shade most of their days. we are out in sun events morning and evening, we are respectful towards the sun, its powers good and bad. that is how i chose to live. give my children the ability and knowledge to take care of themselves, and not necessarily rely on a screen to protect us.

but, even with that

and even if some poster can say, ok you are informed, aware. i protect my kids, still......not responsible my way

really kinda sad. and this was an easy one. seeing how for a decade i have taken care of kids, no accidental burn. obviously i have got to be paying attention to kids.

throughout post it is obvious that i know what is up with deet, sun, dehydration, proper care in heat, vaccination, west niles, lymes

but still,

[medeak]

78. alternatives to sunscreen

if you are worried about some concerns:

http://www.elysiandream.com/article1.htm

[CitySky]

81. skin cancer survivor here

had a malignant melanoma removed last year. i slather in on, neck, back of the hands, any exposed inch of flesh, even on days i'm hardly in the sun atall. on days i'm out gardening or biking i wear a good strong sunscreen all over. my legs are as white as paste and i don't care.

BUT: you're the parent, and you will do what you think best for your boys. If that means keeping 'em away from my "fractionated zinc" and other chemical ingredients then so be it. bein' a librul an' all, i don't much care for telling other folks how to go about raising their children. ah, freedom! :hi:

there are clothing companies that make UV-protectant clothing for the days they will be outside, if their (or your) UV exposure ever does concern you. the clothes are expensive but really you just need one good cover-up and a hat. some of the UV rays go through regular clothes.

[seabeyond]

107. but then if i am in the sun and in need of those clothes,

i would readily use sunscreen. i use it sparingly, when there is need

i don't much care for telling other folks how to go about raising their children. ah, freedom! :hi:


this is what we use to be, that we are not anymore. on so many many issues, both sides., but i appreciate it. i too believe in this method of walking life

[aeolian]

92. Well, Seabeyond, it would seem that your point has been missed

by about half the posters here. :)

[beam me up scottie]

95. Which point?

I get confused with all the different threads...
Is this one about smoking, spanking or sunscreen?

[hunter]

99. Yep, that's it, I vote for "d."

I say we arrest Seabeyond now, throw 'em in prison for life, and put those poor kids up for adoption. I'm certain they need their vaccinations too, with an extra dose of Thimerosal, just to be safe...

(Don't mind me, I graduated from the University of Billy Goat Gruff.)

[seabeyond]

110. yup i even talked about vaccinations

"i wish i had the same opportunity for boys to get chicken pox instead of vaccination. though a few, very few children die of it, most all dont. i would have rather taken that risk, then vaccination. i really didnt want to put that into my kids, especially oldest, that tends to act austistic at times. and what appears, especially after vaccination"

there were two i dont feel my children needed in there body. in doing research the odds of anything happening to the kids with the disease is so far out there i would risk it, especially my concerns for oldest son. hypotitis a and chicken pox

does this make me a bad parent for being aware of an issue. for knowing boys well enough to know what effects their body and doing research. surely, you jest

[hunter]

98. Oh yeah, you asked for it.

So a and not e because every opinion does not have equal standing with me. (I smack down creationists right off the bat too; I let them know right away that I think they are arguing from a position of extreme ignorance. If they do not immediately demonstrate to me that they are not, then they are wasting my time and and my energy.

In my opinion, which you solicited, your behavior as a parent seems to be ignorant and irresponsible. If I was so worried about "chemical" sunscreens as you seem to be, I wouldn't ever let my kids out in the day uncovered -- it would be burka time whenever the sun was shining.

But I enjoyed my time on the beach as a kid, and sunscreen lets me pass that joy along to my kids without so much risk as I was exposed to. It is a compromise my wife and I make as parents, and this is our value call.

(BTW, parents who don't buckle their small children into car seats piss me off too. I suppose if I really wanted kids to be safe, I would say they should never ride in cars... probably none of us should ride in cars. But we do, and when we do, it is wise to wear seatbelts.)

edited for bonehead html error

[bemildred]

101. f. Ignore narcissistic post about trivial issue that's none of my business

(Edit: I know, I just blew myself away by posting, but
"consistency is the hobgoblin of small minds" right?
There is a cliche to justify anything.)

[supernova]

103. LOL!

:thumbsup:

[Lorien]

106. Heheh

:thumbsup:

[redqueen]

115. If only we could nominate specific posts...

Can I use that in my sig? :D

[seabeyond]

122. let me ask you redqueen

having stickers on my car that says "our town is united against hate", a peace sign, "diversity is our strength", "you think education is expensive try ignorance", "dissent is the highest form of patriotism in the time of war" "if you arent outraged you arent paying attention", "silence is the voice of complicity" and something about wont have peace until we have the power of love not the love of power........

picking up my niece and dropping her off at school every day at a private fundamentalist school with these stickers. does this make me a disruptor.

and

every post in here you have been negative, accusatory and not particularly nice. does that make you the disruptor. it doesnt bother me, i am not offended, just a question. because i like to ask, instead of assuming

[Freddie Stubbs]

117. I never use sunscreen

But I am as dark as Manute Bol, so I don't burn too easily.