Newsflash! My fundie relative's claiming oil is not fossil fuel!!

[thecrow]

He says it is caused by fusion underground; that all this about it being a fossil fuel is "Only a Theory".....so therefore Peak Oil is not going to happen.
I kid you not!

[NMMNG]

1. Is he also claiming the Earth is flat?

:dunce:

Gotta love those fundies....just deny reality and claim it's a theory so you can keep on screwing things up.

[kenny blankenship]

30. That's only a theory!

[Crazy Guggenheim]

2. I always thought it was a matter-antimatter reaction.

:popcorn:

[hatrack]

28. Yes, but that depends on the dilithium crystal supply in the Earth's crust

This guy sounds seriously reality-challenged.

:eyes:

[beam me up scottie]

3. oh christ

now everything they do not like or understand is going to be a
"theory".

[joefree1]

4. Give it up, "dinosaurs were put on this earth to test our faith"

You cannot reason with a Borg-again. They've been assimilated into the hive.


Seating now available in the Smoking Section:
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[punpirate]

5. This fellow...

... must have to wear a bib at dinnertime....

Next time, ask him where he got his degree in petroleum geology. And since he must have one, could he tell you a bit about a prominent geologist by the name of M. King Hubbert, and that you'd really like to know, since he's so smart about oil and all.... :)

[ltfranklin]

6. Of course it's not fossile!

After all, the world hasn't been around long enough! Besides which, them Dinosaurs were all eaten by cavemen, not buried. Every good Christian knows that God put the oil in the earth so that George W Bush could make enough money to run for President! Otherwise, how are we going to get to the Endtimes?

[SoCalDem]

7. It's "Dinosaur Juice"...like "Jesus Juice"??

:eyes:

It always amazes me when people make up shit to agree with their fantasies:)

[realFedUp]

31. this country is living in neverland....

[Salviati]

8. Yeah, there are the occasional posters here that claim that too...

The thing is, Peak Oil doesn't care where the oil comes from. Even if it is somehow being replenished, it is obvious to the most casual of observers that we are using it much faster than this hypothetical "replenishment". It would be like sucking on a straw in an empty glass, waiting for the ice to melt...

[therapist]

9. Water freezes at 32 F nonsense

[beam me up scottie]

12. That's a riot!

Thanks!

[petronius]

17. Ice melts at 32F

Water doesn't necessarily freeze at 32F - just another imperfection in God's creation... :)

[Toots]

27. Sea water doesn't freeze at 32 degrees

:silly:

[JHB]

29. Secular Reproductionist hate the Stork, too!

[sharman]

10. I'm sure

Exxon/Mobile is eager to hire him for their exploration team. I'm sure none of Chevron's scientists believe in evolution

[Coastie for Truth]

11. THAT'S THE "ABIOTIC OIL" THEORY

And it's only a "Theory" to explain the disconnect between the existence of oil and the "Young Earth" Theory of Creation.

[thecrow]

13. We really didn't get into it much...

I changed the subject when he started a rant about the Discovery Channel's science shows.
He said he couldn't believe anything that channel says....

It is entirely possibly I was switched at birth though... once a theory, but now gaining traction as my relatives talk.

[Ladyhawk]

14. Hey, I was switched at birth, too. We should talk sometime. :D

My father used to yell at nature documentaries when they discussed evolution. Due to my deprived fundy school background, I didn't learn about evolution. Now I CRAVE information about natural history.

[Berserker]

25. Thanks thecrow

BEST line I've read in a long time It is entirely possibly I was switched at birth though... once a theory, but now gaining traction as my relatives talk.:-)

[Psephos]

15. There is a bit more to this than many realize.

First things first, however. Don't flame me. I believe in the fossil vegetation origin of oil.

That much said, there are a number of respected scientists, of whom the most prominent is Cornell's Thomas Gold, whose research raises questions current biogenic theories of petroleum can't answer. Some say there's a deep and massive carbonaceous layer of the crust that was deposited by comets when the earth was newly formed. Others hold that thermophilic microbial life has penetrated the crust to many kilometers, and that oil arises (at least in part) from their biomass. There are numerous deep drill cores that support this. Etc.

You can check out Gold's academic page at the URL below. Take a look at some of his papers and articles. You'll see why you can't just dismiss him out of hand.

http://people.cornell.edu/pages/tg21/index.html

I like this kind of thing, because it causes me to re-assess my assumptions. Good science is not about making fun of opposing viewpoints. It's about finding a theory that best accounts for all the data, and then devising tests to try to prove it wrong. The more of these tests a theory can withstand, the stronger it becomes. Finally, a good theory enables us to make predictions. The more of these predictions that come true, the stronger the theory.

Don't be too quick to smirk at this abiogenic theory. The orthodoxy all laughed and sneered at evolution, at solid-state electronics, and at plate tectonics when they were young, too. IMO, the abiogenic theory is probably wrong, but it's not pseudoscience, either. It definitely performs a valuable service by asking questions we can't answer.

Peace.

[Sugarbleus]

18. I like your attitude/reasoning.....

I'm highly interested in the Sciences. I regret not going that way as a young student.

This makes three times I've heard this subject come up.

The article is interesting as well. Thanks

[TreasonousBastard]

21. I know of this guy, and...

while he's probably a crackpot, there is the slim chance he's on to something. Lotta dinosaurs to make all that oil, and howcum they were mostly in the Arabian peninsula?

So far, though, I've only heard of one lousy barrel of oil somebody found in a mountain in Sweden, or some damn place. That's the "proof" of his theories so far.

Too bad the fundies found out about this and jumped on it.

[Hunter_1253]

36. Dinosaurs do not equal oil.

Carbon mass (plants, animals, single celled organisms) are the basic building block, but any chemist worth their salt would say that time, temperature, and pressure are just as important. Just having the basic ingredients of a cake sitting together in a pan on your kitchen counter will not make a cake, just like having dead dinosaurs and plants in Northern Europe without properly applying time, temperature, and pressure will not give you oil. Perhaps the Middle East was once under the ocean (giving increased pressure), perhaps there was more direct heat or retention of heat due to the soil composition, or perhaps a volcano erupted covering the area with ash and rock, thus trapping the dead organic material and applying all three components. Who knows...but there is oil there. The US also has oil...and coal and natural gas. Coal and gas could someday be oil, if the conditions were right, it's just that not enough time has passed, and/or not enough temp, and/or not enough pressure.

[MisterP]

47. the oil is mostly in the seams between the Arabian plate and the micro-

plates that crumpled neatly into what's now Iran and Anatolia: it was quite a pileup

[thecrow]

26. Yes, I believe that's his theory

and when I started talking about Peak Oil he said China was to blame for all that. Now does he think we should stop using this oil as a fuel because it is polluting the earth? Global warming?
He thinks global warming is a theory too and scoffs at the ice age that will be a result (as seen on the Dicovery Channel) because ....
"How can you say that global warming is gonna cause an ice age?"
It seems if the Discovery Channel (or any channel that carries scientific theories) is involved.... it's bunk.

And the topper in all of thisis...
"I don't think the world is going to last that long... the Rapture is coming."

That's what any argument.... er... discussion with my entire family comes down to. That's always their answer.

[Psephos]

48. Wow, scary relatives

I bet Thanksgiving is fun at your house. LOL.

Well, as Publilius Syrus said 2000 years ago, "Better to be ignorant of a matter than half know it."

Good luck.

[marzipanni]

54. Aye-aye, sir

the rapture is coming!

[Sugarbleus]

16. Now that's the second time I've heard this idea....

Here and once recently on an oddball late night radio program. Very strange ideas indeed.

What is this, some sort of "Newspeak" going around??? Yipes

[aquart]

19. But underground "fusion" isn't a theory?

I still can't get over all these people making a fuss over the poor math of a medieval bishop.

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

20. Supposedly, Saturn's moon Titan has petroleum-like substances

I think it was the Cassini probe that sent back data suggesting that the moon Titan has petroleum-like substances, oils and tars formed of complex hydrocarbons and liquid ethane. It supposedly rains oil on that moon that forms lakes and oceans. I guess we can't know if it's exactly like petroleum on earth, but it might be something that could become similarly combustible. It may or may not indicate the presence of life and it may involve hydrocarbons deposited by means other than ancient life.

[Heidi]

22. Where to buy your relative's Christmas gift:

http://zapatopi.net/afdb.html

[expatriate]

23. Ask him if he also believes in spontaneous generation -

That maggots come from rotten meat, that worms come from mud puddles, etc.

I'm going to be reeling from this for a while. Whew!

[BiggJawn]

24. That's better than the "Jesus Jizz Theory"...

I've head people claim that Gawd and his boy MAKE it magically, like Manna and feeding the thousands with a coupla fish and loaves...

"Crunch all ya want, Jeebus will make more..."

[mcscajun]

32. FIts right in with today's NY Times story out of Kansas (where else?)

TOPEKA, Kan. (AP) -- The Kansas school board's hearings on evolution weren't limited to how the theory should be taught in public schools. The board is considering redefining science itself. Advocates of ''intelligent design'' are pushing the board to reject a definition limiting science to natural explanations for what's observed in the world.

Instead, they want to define it as ''a systematic method of continuing investigation,'' without specifying what kind of answer is being sought. The definition would appear in the introduction to the state's science standards.

(snip)

''It's a completely unscientific way of looking at the world,'' said Keith Miller, a Kansas State University geologist.

(snip)

''In order to live in this science-dominated world, you have to be able to discriminate between science and non-science,'' said Alan Leshner of the American Association for the Advancement of Science. ''They want to rewrite the rules of science.''

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/science/AP-Kansas-Evolution.html?

[Zynx]

33. Moron. Nothing else to say.

[leftofthedial]

34. Oil can't be made in 6000 years

therefore, there is no such thing as fossil fuel

fundies are mentally ill

[yellowcanine]

46. Exactly. OTOH, Some fundys will claim that all ot the present animal

diversity evolved from a single pair of each "kind" carried in the ark in about 4000 years. For example, lions, tigers, jaguars, cheetahs, and the common house cat all evolved in 4,000 years from a single pair of "cat" ancestors who rode out the Deluge courtesy of Noah's Ark. This supposedly gets around the sticky little problem of how tha ark was able to hold (and feed) all of those animals. I don't know why they don't just say it was a miracle and be done with it.

[meganmonkey]

35. Just pray to the Lord that he showers us with more oil!

:eyes:

[Johonny]

37. Fusion?

Aren't there better bad theories of oil not being a fossil fuel than fusion? I mean fusion is so insanely not believable. I mean fusion isn't even the process by which long hydrocarbon chains are created.

Please direct your Fundie relative to a proper fundie website so they can at least learn proper bad fundie alternative theories.

[onenote]

40. are there little reactors undeground run by little people too?

sigh....

onenote

[ExCiber]

53. Once upon a time.....

There actually were 'natural' reactors.

http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap050220.html

200 billion years ago, but they did exist.

[BillyDoc]

38. This "It's just a theory" stuff is a bunch of crap!

Ask your nearest Fundy if he can distinguish between the "Theory of Gravity" and the "Theory of the Tooth Fairy." Are they both equally valid? If he thinks they are not, ask him exactly why. If he can give you a cogent answer, then he will also be telling you why the "Theory of Evolution" is in no way the same as the "Theory of Creation" and you can have the fun of pointing this out to him. If he thinks the Tooth Fairy theory is just as good as that liberal gravity thing ... then he is a hopeless idiot and you will not reach him. You will have, however, forced him to acknowledge the "Tooth Fairy" as a viable entity . . . or to give up on gravity.

Nah, Fundies are too dumb to even understand when they've been had.

[kenny blankenship]

41. That's just a theory!

[paineinthearse]

39. According to Lewis Black......

I had the good fortune to see Lewis Black in person last night. One of his better lines is the fundies claim that fossils are the "work of the devil".

Don't know if that is original or a real fundie belief, anyone know?

[kenny blankenship]

42. I think it's true that some fundamentalosts say this

After all either dinosaurs coexisted with Adam 6,000 years ago, or they didn't exist at all and all the fossil evidence that they did live on the planet millions of years ago is the work of devilry to deceive Man.

Of course in relating this and speculating on a division of opinion among the faithful, I have to admit that that's all just a theory! Maybe they all believe dinosaurs never existed and some deceiving demon causes me to mistakenly believe that they can't agree about whether Adam walked in Eden among giant reptiles.

[LibertyLover]

45. Fossils and the devil

Some fundamentalists also believe that God created fossils to test the faith of believers. I used to attend an Assemblies of God church with friends and that was something that they said.

[yellowcanine]

51. It's called creation with the "appearance of age" The thinking goes, God

created Adam and Eve as adults and appearing a certain age. Therefore they they appeared to be 20 years old or whatever even though they were just created yesterday. Those who follow this line of thinking even say that Adam and Eve probably had navels, even though they obviously didn't need them. If God could do this with Adam and Eve, why couldn't he do it with the earth as well - create the earth, complete with sediment layers, fossils, eroded Grand Canyons, whatever. Why a God would do this is not really addressed - requires a really cynical view of God, imo. God is saying, "I created you with a really super brain so that you could figure things out but I want you to forget what your brain tells you and accept what my little book here says on faith alone."
http://www.asa3.org/ASA/PSCF/1980/JASA9-80Krause.html

[onenote]

43. i thought creationists tied fossils to Noah's flood

seriously...the argument is that fossilization really doesn't take that long and that the flood explains everything....

gotta love them true believers....

onenote

[UdoKier]

44. It's quite possible that is is not a fossil fuel.

But that doesn't mean it isn't finite.


It's still widely accepted that petroleum deposits are the result of decayed organic matter from eons ago, but there is the idea that the petroleum deposits formed when the earth formed.

That theory does not state that oil is unlimited, or that the earth is only 5000 years old, as fundies believe.

Peak oil is a matter of fact. It may have happened last year, and it may happen in 30 years, but it will happen.

But there are panicmongers who try to make peak oil out to be something terrifying, and they shouldn't. It will be a gradual process, and there will be new fuels to replace petroleum.

Necessity is the mother of invention, you know...

[Psephos]

49. You cut right to the heart of the matter. n/t

[bvar22]

50. And Fudge Cookies are made by ELVES in Hollow trees.

Unlike the Fristians, I have PROOF!!!
Below is an unretouched cartoon drawing that PROVES my statement.
My PROOF is every bit as VALID as the cartoon drawings of Mobile BioWeapons Labs that Colin Powell presented to the UN and the WORLD that Iraq had WMDs.

The Republicans have really lowered the bar, so I'm going to take advantage of it.


Here it is folks: PROOF of ELVES!!!!



Lets see the Fristians argue against THAT PROOF!!!!
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[thecrow]

52. Thanks! That made me smile !

:)