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gollygee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 11:20 AM
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Woman disciplined on job for being 4-mos preggie and only 2 months wed
Yes she is on administrative leave for having gotten pregnant 2 months before her wedding. I wonder what her answer was when they asked why she was 4 months pregnant when she'd only been married 2 months. LOL

http://wwmt.com/engine.pl?station=wwmt&id=16363&template=breakout_local.html

School punishes teacher for getting pregnant before married

May 11, 2005 - 5:42PM
BERRIEN SPRINGS (AP) - A teacher at a private Christian school in Berrien Springs has been placed on administrative leave for getting pregnant out of wedlock.

Christine John is a first-year teacher at the Village Seventh-day Adventist Elementary School. She says school officials asked her why she was four months along in her pregnancy when she had been married just two months.

John says school officials told her that premarital sex is an act strictly forbidden by the school system and the religion. She was told her services were no longer needed and that she will be on paid leave until her contract expires.

Now she's considering legal action.
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Bunny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 11:22 AM
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1. We've been talking about this here:
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LibInternationalist Donating Member (861 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 11:22 AM
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2. I'd have to see the contract, I guess,
but isn't this entirely within a private organization's rights? I mean, it's bigoted and troubling, but hey, that's organized religion.
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ballcap1776 Donating Member (82 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 11:32 AM
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4. That was my first thought
That was my first thought. I work for a small private Christian university and I can see something similar being a problem here. Well, maybe having a baby out of wedlock, but not the discrepancy between marriage and birth.

It's that old addage, you lie down with dogs and wake up with fleas...she knew what type of organization she was signing on with, she probably shouldn't be surprised or offended.

Now if she had been raped...that would be different story...
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tk2kewl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 11:22 AM
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3. She should've told them it was going to ba a virgin birth.
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formerrepuke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 11:38 AM
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5. Nancy (Davis) Reagan was 3 months pregnant (with Patti) when she
and Ronald Reagan got married.. so there.
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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 11:45 AM
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6. you can't please those fundies
She's having the baby (even getting married)--at least she didn't have an abortion.
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beyurslf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 11:53 AM
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7. A private religious school has the right to decide who can and can't work
there for whatever reason they want. They may by hypocrites, but that isn't illegal.
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spooky3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 12:39 PM
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17. Not necessarily. If it has more than 15 employees it may
be covered by Title VII of the Civil Rights Act with respect to gender or pregnancy discrimination.

http://www.bcidot.org/als/6903-15.html
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 12:08 PM
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8. She should sue them. This is too much casting of stones
even for Christians. It's also a very blatant attack on women in general and it has to stop.
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Kansas Wyatt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 12:12 PM
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9. "paid leave until her contract expires"?
Hmm?

Paid vacation, and an important opportunity to get away from a religious cult.

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Norquist Nemesis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 12:14 PM
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10. Yeah, it's called "hush money" n/t
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Bridget Burke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 12:18 PM
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11. If she'd just had an abortion she'd still have a job.
Nobody would be the wiser. But she "chose life" & her boyfriend chose to become her husband. So they're being punished.

Yes, a private school has the right to do this. One more reason they should get NO voucher money.

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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 12:20 PM
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12. Amen, to the no voucher money.
:applause:
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Modem Butterfly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 12:32 PM
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15. The next person will know better
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gollygee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 12:57 PM
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24. I agree completely re the voucher money
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zbdent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 12:23 PM
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13. She should have told them that she was a Republican
that would have ended the debate right there, and they would have welcomed her with open (wider open) arms . . .
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Modem Butterfly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 12:31 PM
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14. FMLA should apply here, even with a private employer
You can't fire someone for being pregnant, even if the timing of that pregnancy is inconvenient to her employer.
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Bunny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 12:42 PM
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18. She wasn't fired for being pregnant.
She was fired for having premarital sex.
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spooky3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 12:44 PM
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19. if men are not also fired for having premarital sex,
and if the school is large enough, she may have protection under Title VII.
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Bunny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 12:56 PM
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23. Good point. I hadn't thought of that.
I should add that she wasn't technically fired, rather, her contract was not renewed. Amounts to the same thing, semantics I guess.
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ecstatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 12:38 PM
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16. paid leave sounds wonderful to me
I can't really say much more about this until I see if her contract actually did make reference to what is "forbidden." Actually, nobody is "sin-free." They are all a bunch of hypocrites if you ask me.
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demgurl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 12:44 PM
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20. She should have lied.
She should have said that her and her bf eloped a while back because they could not wait to get married and then their parents forced her to have a 'real' ceremony with all the frills.
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Zing Zing Zingbah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 12:55 PM
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22. Yeah.. they would have never known the difference. n/t
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Zing Zing Zingbah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 12:55 PM
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21. Why did the woman tell them this information anyhow?
Why do they need to know how pregnant she is?
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Bridget Burke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 12:58 PM
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25. She could have just had a "premature" baby....
According to Miss Manners, the first baby is often premature, even if it weighs 10 pounds. This is not exactly a new situation.
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gollygee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 12:59 PM
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26. If her insurance is through work
can they find out anyway? dunno

My guess is that she didn't expect to lose her job over it.
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