Bolton Nomination Thread#2 - Voinovich looks like a NO!!!

[sabra]

http://www.c-span.org/watch/cspan3_wm.asp?Cat=TV&Code=CS3

He thinks Bolton would not be a good choice!!!

continued from: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=3643066&mesg_id=3643066

[hlthe2b]

1. Thank God for the rare Independent-thinking REPUG!

[Solly Mack]

2. He's voting NO it seems

wow....but he praised Bush and Rice and said the US respects international law and protocol...

but he is voting NO (it seems)...so well...he's still a republican. I refuse to praise him

[Solly Mack]

4. Said Condi said she would babysit Bolton

so confirm him...but Voinovich said "why would you want someone you have to watch over?"

AH! Friends of Colin Powell strike...

[Solly Mack]

8. He's giving "some" praise to Bolton..credit where credit is due kind of

thing more than true praise...


Still soundling like a NO

Now he's back into why Bolton is bad for the job...

[Solly Mack]

11. LMAO...zing!

"Bolton is poster child for what someone in the diplomatic corp should not be"

[sabra]

3. Powell wasn't present on the list of people praising Bolton...

coincidence?

[Celebration]

6. AND his voice raised when he said that

Kiss up kick down leader!!

[sabra]

5. Going off all what Voinovich is saying, I am pretty certain

he will be voting No...

[sabra]

33. but he will be a YES :-(

oh well...

[sabra]

7. Voin: "He has major deficiencies"

- He is stubborn
- He doesn't listen

WOW!

[KansDem]

19. Are you sure he wasn't referring to Bush?

He has those same qualities, or rather, character flaws...
:)

[Celebration]

9. would have been FIRED

if he worked for a major corporation

poster child for what one should not be

[sabra]

10. Voin: "Bolton would be fired if this was a regular business"

[realFedUp]

17. if this was a regular business....

most of this administration would be
fired without pay and jailed.

[Pithy Cherub]

12. "Red" Ohio are not happy campers with the "red" politicians right now.

The R governor seems to be very disliked. V may need to show a strong streak of independence. Come to the blue side...

[converted_democrat]

36. You are right!!!!!!!

My Mom and Dad are "conservatives" and they are pissed to say the least. My Dad says he doesn'r recognize the Republican party anymore!!!!

[bear425]

13. Watching now. Yay Voinovich! n/t

[Celebration]

14. to be successful in this war

one of our more important tools is public diplomacy

[Solly Mack]

15. hmmm.....

[sabra]

28. Is that his way of getting away with it?

[Solly Mack]

30. I think so...CYA

[Celebration]

16. quote

to have the wisdom to see myself as others see me (speaking of USA, I think)

[bear425]

18. Uh oh, looks like he wants it both ways.

He wants to let it go to the senate floor without a recommendation.

edit: if that happens, he most likely will be confirmed partisanly.

[Solly Mack]

20. Yeah...hence my hmmmm above

[halobeam]

21. Help...what does that mean?

[bear425]

31. Instead of voting "No" on Bolton, Voinovich wants to

send the nomination out of committee without a recommendation to the senate. If this happens, the senate will mostly likely confirm him because of the more Repub than Dem votes there.

If Voinovich voted No in a vote in committee, then it would send the senate the signal that there is not a concensus. Make sense?

edit: It looks like he's going to vote yes without recommendation to get it out of committee.

[realFedUp]

23. well we could see this coming....

tough talk, yes vote...these guys play
it both ways.

[me b zola]

70. Just like Hagel

Talked tough, but is going to vote yes. Whores the lot of them.

[Lerkfish]

24. yup a fence sitting extraordinaire!

[rodeodance]

51. yes, he wants it both ways.

[htuttle]

22. He's going to vote Yes to send him to the Senate floor

He said he doesn't want Bolton, but 'doesn't want to impose his views on his colleagues'. He wants to have a vote of the whole Senate. In other words, he's voting Yes in the committee.

So he wimped out, as I see it.

[halobeam]

26. ##@!!!&&*$*$!!!!!!!!!!!!!! damn

[Solly Mack]

Yep

[PKG]

25. ...but is a YES. DU preemptive celebrations shut down

:cry:

[Lerkfish]

27. are we REALLY surprised?

I'm not.

this is the most corrupt govt. any country can buy.

[halobeam]

29. Not surprised at all.......JUST PLAIN MAD

[Lerkfish]

32. oh, hell yeah I'm mad, but I saw this coming....

I have become accustomed to assuming the worst, and then expecting it to happen.
hope no longer lives in my heart.

I'm beyond mad.

[sabra]

34. Biden: "Everyone has to agree that the Bolton nomination was a big suprise

He just doesn't fit in this role...

[Solly Mack]

35. Biden speaking

you know Biden....

[Solly Mack]

37. "redacted material" "promised materail that never came"

"Bolton can see this info but a senator w/ 32 years not entitled to see it?"

[Solly Mack]

38. Biden pushing the Senates role in "advice and consent"

and going on about how the office of the president and other offices denying certain material to the senate saying "request not specific to issues being debated by committee"

Biden: "I do NOT work for the President"

"we are a co-equal branch"

but you know Biden....

[Solly Mack]

40. oh for SpongeBobs sake...get on with it

[housewolf]

39. "BOLTON can see this info, but a US senator cannot???"

Love it... Biden sounds just like a kid... "Mr BOLTON can see the information but none of us here can??? Mr BOLTON can see this info but a United States Senator cannot???"

"What makes this administration think that it has the right to decide what the US senate needs in order to do its job???" "Who died and left them boss? I don't work for the president of the United States. None of us here works for the president. We are a Co-Equal branch of the US government." We're making a big mistake by not requiring this information. It's a matter of priniciple.

Biden help up Clinton's nomination for Zoe Baird and Kimba Wood, Clinton's first 2 Atty General nominations because it was his constitutional responsibility to bring forth ALL the information - his point is that no administration has the right to tell the senate what information is or should be relevent.

No president is "Entitled" to the appointment of someone he nominates.

He insists that they are entitled to the information they requested.

[Coexist]

41. Biden always sounds great.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

43. Unfortunately his voting record, his walk doesn't match his talk. n/t

[Solly Mack]

44. That's the truth

[housewolf]

42. Now Biden talking about Bolton as the nominee

4 Patterns of behavior that disqualify him from the appt

Removal of intel analysts he disagreed with
Politicizing the intel process
Abusive behavior
Misleading statements to the committee


Now he's talking about the testimony from the witnesses that brought out those traits.

[rodeodance]

45. did you hear Biden rip the WH!! go joe go!!

[im10ashus]

46. Keep us informed here in cubeland! n/t

[rodeodance]

47. Bolton, several days ago requested the resumes of members of UN-

to review. He assumes he already has the job!! maybe not--but we need several Repugs in the Senate to get smart.

[im10ashus]

48. WTF?

Do you have a link to that story?

[rodeodance]

49. "Bolton has no capacity to understand what is going on around him"

paraphasing some quote that Joe. Biden is reading about Bolton.

[rodeodance]

50. Armatige would not allow Bolton to give speech unless he approved it

cause Bolton would always get the Dept into trouble.

[rodeodance]

53. Biden is making a point that people came to the committee-over and

over he is saying this--trying to quelsh the Repug lie that the Dems are digging things up!!

[lala_rawraw]

52. everyone run and thank him... his own party

won't understand what it means that someone votes their conscience... they only understand the lemming march.

[rodeodance]

54. still talking of 7 senior officials -mischaracterizes the views of his col

legues. listed other stuff.

[rodeodance]

55. Armitage was the one that cancelled Bolton's speeches (bolton said

he cancelled them himself)--so, in other words Bolton tried to hide this (can not say i blame him--as having his superior cancell his speeches would/is making him look like a real dummy)---not that I mind.

[rodeodance]

57. bolton 'politicalizes intel" Biden quoting a co-worker of Bolton

[rodeodance]

58. Biden says he does not need lesson from Bolton to reform UN==te he

[housewolf]

56. He's still going to vote him out of committee

and let the full senate decide

[rodeodance]

59. who is he?

[rodeodance]

60. "he (bolton) seems to have no govoner on his internal engine"-says

biden.

[rodeodance]

61. some Dem is reading list of former UN ambassadors.

[housewolf]

63. Voinovich

Was replying to LaLa's comment about complementing Voinovich for his independence.

[housewolf]

62. Sen Sarbannes up now

reading the names of all previous UN ambassadors in order to bring to memory the nominees predecessors

[KoKo]

64. He's slow but making very good points that Bolton doesn't have stature

of others who have held the job in the past. And, he makes the point of how important the work the UN does in diplomacy which he thinks is what the US needs to focus on. He says it's not popular to acknowledge the importance of the UN these days.

[housewolf]

65. Senator Allen

We shouldn't be spending time on all these allegations about Mr Bolton, we should be focused on the UN and it's critical need for reform, it's had scandal after scandal and is in critical need of reform. That's what we should be focused on.

[KoKo]

66. Accusing UN of "abuses against Children?" He sounds like his speech

was written by Bolton. :D What an ass he is. And making a statement like that. I'll tune him out he's so disgustingly stupid. Can't even pronounce or make sound believable his pre-prepared reading.

:puke:

[sabra]

67. We need a straight talker, not a tea drinker with thier pinky's up?

This guy is an Asshole!

[housewolf]

71. Wasn't that just one of the most disingenuous comments you've heard today?

Very silly exaggerations.

[housewolf]

68. Going on and on about problems with the UN

Bolton has a broad deep knowledge of world affairs & has worked on devising strategies for carrying out US policy. Bolton's successes with non-proliferation, got the UN to change resolution in UN equating Zionism with racism.

Says Bolton has placed a lot of thought into his views, won't be swayed by UN bureaucrats, we don't need a mild happy person in the UN, someone who will shake up things there. (very exaggerated caricature).

Claims Townel's testimony was exaggerated and untrue, no compelling reason why Bolton is not the right person, the president HAS selected wisely.

thanking Voinovich for allowing nomination to go to full senate.

[Norquist Nemesis]

75. Why is Allen's biggest talking point the 'Zionism with racism'

thing? I swear I hear him say this absolutely every fucking time he's talking about the Bolton nomination!! :crazy:

[Solly Mack]

69. YAY!!!!! Allen has finally shut up

what a blithering idiot

[sabra]

72. No doubt!

[housewolf]

73. Chris Dodd's up now

Complementing Voinovich, calling it a "senatorial moment"

[sabra]

74. thread#3 here

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=3644305#