Abortion Having Effect On Social Security (Insane LTTE)

[The Straight Story]

If anyone cares to reply to this ltte, the main site is here:
http://www.theday.com/eng/web/news/editorial.aspx

This is the kind of mentality that we face often with the right, and trying to win them over or cater to them won't work IMHO. Post some comments and let's send the link to the thread as a LTTE :)


Abortion Having Effect On Social Security

Letters To The Editor:

The current Social Security crisis is a direct result of 34 years of abortion on demand. Fifty million dead babies who cannot grow up to work definitely affects the Social Security budget.


I wonder why no one is suggesting that we end abortion to solve the crisis? I recently heard a teenager speak about the crisis. She was angry at the older generation for legalizing abortion and slaughtering one third of her generation. Now she must give up more of her pay and work harder to support the retirees.

If we gave her generation abortion, then she said euthanasia is needed for ours. I don't agree with her, but I understand her anger. A society that kills one-third of its children every year will surely perish. It is only a matter of time. The Social Security crisis is just the first symptom.

http://www.theday.com/eng/web/news/re.aspx?re=22A698A3-6A76-410F-B03F-A43A51A13136

[underpants]

1. Not only is that nuts it is wrong-1/3 of babies are aborted?

No I don't think so.

[Kerrytravelers]

4. Clicked your link. That woman with the bandaid really needs to be slapped.

[underpants]

17. That's from the Repub Convention

Supporting the troops, right.

http://rds.yahoo.com/S=96062883/K=purple+heart+bandaid/v=2/SID=e/l=IVS/SIG=12nbv4bn0/EXP=1115208328/*-http%3A//liberalavenger.com/hello/5/1413/400/purple_heart_bandaid.jpg

[Kerrytravelers]

21. Oh yeah. I remember them. My Vietnam Vetern father wasn't too happy about

the band-aids.

[Kerrytravelers]

2. Huh?

That has to be one of the dumbest LTTE I have ever seen.

What rock did this idiot climb out from under?

[spunky]

3. I can't believe I'm laughing, but I am. That's just crazy talk.

Who's to say that every single one of those babies would have been a productive memeber of society? Who's to say that since the mom didn't want the kid anyway she wouldn't have smoked/drank/done drugs/etc. because she didn't want the baby and just didn't care? Who's to say that those women wouldn't have just gotten illeagal abortions and died themselves.

What a joke.

[gollygee]

5. This is so stupid and assumes so much

that all fetuses that are aborted would live to adulthood or even be born - remember a lot of abortions are of fetuses with problems.

That all fetuses that are aborted would work and contribute to social security taxes. Again, there would be more people with disabilities since one reason people have abortions is because the fetus has a serious disability. Also, some percentage of aborted fetuses would simply not work and be on welfare.

We also don't have the environemental pollutants, the crime, extra medicare/medicaid, etc. of the however many fetuses have been aborted. It's ridiculous to think that every fetus would grow to be someone who makes a lot of money and makes a huge contribution.

[calico1]

6. Oh, Lordy! This is my local paper!

Has it occurred to this wingnut that people are just having less children these days? Or that a lot of us decided not to have any at all? Should I have been forced to have one to contribute to the social security fund? Every time I think I have read the stupidest thing on the subject I read something even more stupid! :grr:

[Missy M]

7. I can't believe I'm reading such nonsense!

That is the most ignorant, insane rhetoric I've read in a long time. Ending abortion will solve the SS crisis (that exists in *'s mind) is beyond belief. Now I think I have heard it all.

[Egalitariat]

8. I read something similar awhile back that connected Democrats' inability

to win elections to their hypothesis that most aborted fetuses (based on demographics of their mothers, I guess) would be voting for Democrats if they were alive today.

It's absurd.

[beam me up scottie]

9. Apparently more than one idiot used his crayons

to write a LTTE:

"Connecticut, and our entire nation was forever diminished when it put capital punishment for the unborn into practice in 1973, resulting in the mass murder of more than 46 million victims.

The Day's editorial states, “We all know what decent people think about any killer.” What should decent people think about abortionists, as well as those who are complicit in their despicable crimes? Don't try to spin and sugarcoat evil, thinking it will become acceptable if euphemisms like choice, privacy, reproductive rights and quality of life are used to obscure the stark horror of a national atrocity."

[noamnety]

10. By that logic

She should be grateful that so many abortions happened. It means that 1) less people are around now to draw on Social Security, and 2) when she's a senior there will be less people drawing on it then as well, so her share will be larger.

Apparently she views Social Security as a sort pyramid scheme, where the key to success is pumping more and more people into the bottom of the pyramid indefinitely. She likely has a bright future as an AMWAY sales rep.

[salin]

11. It occurs to me that the writer doesn't acknowledge the bush loss of jobs

thus, following her logic, there would be more unemployment and more people needing welfare assistance in the bushjr economy.

[zbdent]

12. "Euthanasia" as a "solution" to the SS "crisis"? I thought that

the expense of medications to the elderly was already too prohibitive for the elderly to live . . . that, and having to choose between eating and medication . . .

[minerva50]

13. I have heard of studies of abortion rate and crime statistics

I haven't read them myself, my mom was telling me that the recent claims of major decreases in violent crime in NYC and other cities were linked to high abortion rates 15-20 years ago, versus other cities with lower abortion rates and higher crime rates today. A significant decrease in a particular population of unwanted children does have social benefits.

[calico1]

14. That would make sense.

Seems to me that an unwanted child would probably be neglected and abused and not live in a very healthy environment overall. It stands to reason that a lot of these unwanted children would end up in prison or dependent on taxpayers in some other way. All children should be wanted. The idea of having baby factories to increase the Social Security fund is ludicrous.

[sharman]

26. Bingo!

Exactly what I was going to post. The sociologists studied and studied those crime statistics--and the only explanation for the happy and substantial drop in violent crime was Roe v Wade. Proving that reproductive freedom is good for society as well as the individual.

But let's take that idiot poster at her word--oooo, SS crisis, must blame the loss of all those unwanted babies. Well, Jeez, why stop there? Let's outlaw birth control. Outlaw monogamy. Outlaw nuns and monks.

Cretins. There are two actuarial phenomena that are creating the social security small problem. One is the boomer generation, which is a blip on the population screen. SS taxes were raised to meet the needs of this generation of retirees; despite that, there is a projected 25% shortfall 50 years from now, using very very conservative projections of economic growth. Previous projections of SS shortfalls have been proven wrong. The second phenomenon is medical advances leading to longer lives. That's just a fact we'll have to face, like any change in actuarial circumstances: we'll either pay higher premiums for the insurance or accept lower benefits. (Or allow more immigration--that's how our population grows now, with lower birth rates0 But it's got nothin' to do with abortion.

[HockeyMom]

15. Abortion?

I don't think so. Try faithful use of birth control and sterilization when you have the number of kids you want, which isn't 5+ anymore.

I never had an abortion; sexually active before marriage and obviously after. The only woman I know who did have an abortion was my aunt and that was when it was still ILLEGAL. Ever hear of a therapeutic abortion? She was a 45 year old married grandmother and didn't want any more kids. She PAID a doctor to say she had a bad heart and being pregnant was a threat to her life. Money talked back then, you know. It was the poor, young women who turned to back alleys and coat hangers. Most of the middle class and the rich had their ways.

Majority of these "babies" aren't being aborted, they aren't even being conceived in the first place. Unless you are of the religious mindset that birth control pills are abortion, that condoms are against "God's Will", voluntary sterilization is evil, and want to completely ban all forms of BC to punish women for having sex, inside of marriage, as well as out.

Trust me that will never happen. Even Republican women, mainstream not Fundies, won't take to kindly to taking away their abortion/birth control and forcing THEM to have the number of children that the right wing religious nuts think they should have.

[antigop]

16. It doesn't go far enough

The main problem here is that the solution doesn't go far enough. The number of abortions is only a drop in the bucket. We also need to outlaw all forms of contraceptives. After all, how many more kids could we produce if just stopped trying to not have them? Furthermore, some of these same people are far teaching abstention in schools. We should be encouraging the youth to have as many kids as possible so we can increase the future tax base for Social Security. In fact, we should encourage couples to go to fertility centers so they will produce more and more children. Why have one kid when you can have several?

But still we can do more. Why are we keeping people from entering this country? We should encourage everyone to come so they can pay into Social Security. Many third world countries have an excess of people and we should encourage them to stay here and work.

If you think this is serious, you have no 'right' being on DU.

[undeterred]

18. Lets see... I've also heard the argument that crime has gone down since

abortion was legalized and there are fewer unwanted children who grow up to be criminals.

Just about any argument can be based on this but none of them could ever be proved.

[sinkingfeeling]

19. Some organization must be supplying this crap...a guy wrote in to

my local paper with this 'arguement' back in early February. There have been several of this type of bull LTTEs posted on DU.

[The Straight Story]

22. Would be interesting to track this all down

And see which org is having their people send out these letters.

[Strawman]

20. I saw some nutbag with a town crier poster like this

outside of the school building I voted in this November. It said something like "Abortion Kills Social Security." The only person I saw who bothered to engage this individual was a fellow liberal. I'm sure he was thrilled that he got the chance to do Holy battle with a demon liberal in the flesh. Ignore these fuckers. Don't give 'em the satisfaction. Even most Republican voters think they're nuts.

[Bozita]

23. if not for abortion, we'd have more troops to fight more wars of empire

same flawed logic

[OnionPatch]

24. National Atrocity?

Do they realize that abortion has been going on since time began, and not just in the human world but in the animal world as well. Women have been drinking "potions" and taking herbs etc. since caveman days.

How do they know that all those aborted fetuses wouldn't have grown up to overpopulate the world, thus bringing on famines and water wars, cancer epidemics from all the pollution, and so on?

[Ilsa]

25. Pyramid scheme. They want a pyramid scheme to

solve their problems.