Need realiable sources for Blair memo

[FreedomAngel82]

I need some realiable sources for the Blair memo. A good well and respected newspaper that is talking about the memo. Thanks in advanced. Isn't the Washington Post carrying this story too?

[Spazito]

1. Here you go...

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2087-1593607,00.html

The secret Downing Street memo


Here is a US paper that coved the memo

http://www.sfgate.com/columnists/worldviews/

[chomskysright]

2. here:

".....In emotionless English, Dearlove tells Blair and the others that President Bush has decided to remove Saddam Hussein by launching a war that is to be "justified by the conjunction of terrorism and weapons of mass destruction." Period. What about the intelligence? Dearlove adds matter-of-factly, "The intelligence and facts are being fixed around the policy."

http://www.tompaine.com/20050505/articles/proof_bush_fixed_the_facts.php

Date: Wed, 4 May 2005 11:34:26 -0700


Subject: Proof Bush Fixed The Facts
Proof Bush Fixed The Facts
Ray McGovern, TomPaine.com
May 04, 2005


Ray McGovern served 27 years as a CIA analyst and is now on the Steering Group of Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity. He works for Tell the Word, the publishing arm of the ecumenical Church of the Saviour.

"Intelligence and facts are being fixed around the policy."

Never in our wildest dreams did we think we would see those words in black and white—and beneath a SECRET stamp, no less. For three years now, we in Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity (VIPS) have been saying that the CIA and its British counterpart, MI-6, were ordered by their countries' leaders to "fix facts" to "justify" an unprovoked war on Iraq. More often than not, we have been greeted with stares of incredulity.

It has been a hard learning—that folks tend to believe what they want to believe. As long as our evidence, however abundant and persuasive, remained circumstantial, it could not compel belief. It simply is much easier on the psyche to assent to the White House spin machine blaming the Iraq fiasco on bad intelligence than to entertain the notion that we were sold a bill of goods.

Well, you can forget circumstantial. Thanks to an unauthorized disclosure by a courageous whistleblower, the evidence now leaps from official documents—this time authentic, not forged. Whether prompted by the open appeal of the international Truth-Telling Coalition or not, some brave soul has made the most explosive "patriotic leak" of the war by giving London's Sunday Times the official minutes of a briefing by Richard Dearlove, then head of Britain's CIA equivalent, MI-6. Fresh back in London from consultations in Washington, Dearlove briefed Prime Minister Blair and his top national security officials on July 23, 2002, on the Bush administration's plans to make war on Iraq.

Blair does not dispute the authenticity of the document, which immortalizes a discussion that is chillingly amoral. Apparently no one felt free to ask the obvious questions. Or, worse still, the obvious questions did not occur.

[FreedomAngel82]

3. Thanks

I gave the Times as a source but some guy on another board claimed they weren't respected paper and were like the NYTimes here. Is this other one good and reliable? I just noticed on TomPaine's site he mentions "progressive" on there so these people won't listen to it.

[BurtWorm]

5. Huh?! There are no more "respected" papers in English than

than the NY Times and the Times of London. (No more hated papers either, because of their respectability.)

The NY Times ran this story yesterday:

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/05/04/international/europe/04britain.html

Note that it treats this as a British story, almost as just another "London Journal." They haven't done a piece on the memo itself.

[leftchick]

6. just because a freeper says something is not reliable.

Does not mean it is not reliable. You are not going to convince anyone who thinks Faux is "news" of anything.

[muriel_volestrangler]

9. If he's a freeper, point out to him that Murdoch owns The Sunday Times

That should satisfy anyone who thinks that Fox News is 'fair and balanced'.

[BigBearJohn]

4. Google "The secret Downing Street memo"

You'll find PLENTY of references all throughout the U.K.

[JohnyCanuck]

7. And Blair has not denied it.

If it were a plant or a false story, you'd think the Poodle would be on his high horse denouncing it far and wide as nothing more than an underhanded smear campaign based on a falsehood. He has not done so, in spite of the wide publicity the story is receiving in the UK.

[FreedomAngel82]

8. So true

Good points. I'll have to remember that. I'll also try googling for other sites.

[Monkey see Monkey Do]

10. It may be worth mentioning

that the Sunday Times, which broke the story, is owned by Murdoch