I Stopped using SCOTT TOILET PAPER>>

[fighttotheend]

I stop using it and Kleenex facial tissues because they use only trees from our rainforest's. So I will be boycotting there products...Kimberly Clarke inc.

Now I use Marcel products which use recycled paper and wal-mart carries a brand Pert that also uses Recycled paper.

Pass it on....maybe we can make a difference?:think:

[mitchtv]

1. Walmart?

not this lifetime.

[Deja Q]

3. We're damned if we do; damned if we don't.

May as well do.

[fighttotheend]

8. WELL if you dont like wal-mart there are other products sold...

if you want to make a difference and by starting out small this is a small contribution that can be made very easily, when you hit them where it hurts(in the wallet) they start to listen. If you want a list of other products go to
http://www.nrdc.org and look around they have more info
FYI wal-mart just pledged 35 million to helping the environment, although things they have already done will still be done!!!

[Vanje]

19. Shopping at Walmart is perfectly okay....

....as long as you be sure to shop-lift.

[librechik]

51. I only go to hand out pro-union propaganda

snerk

[Zorra]

55. WalMart gives more to republicans than any other company: Info:

Please, please boycott this company which is helping to finance the destruction of our nation.

DU Economic Activism Forum

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topics&forum=255

Bloomberg: Wal-Mart Funds Bush Campaign, Costco Prefers Kerry

July 21, 2004
(Bloomberg) -- Executives at Wal-Mart Stores Inc. and Costco Wholesale Corp., competitors in the $76 billion U.S. warehouse-club market, have taken their rivalry to a new level: national politics.

Wal-Mart, the world's largest retailer and owner of Sam's Club warehouse stores, gives more money to Republican candidates than any other company. Its top three managers, including Chief Executive Officer H. Lee Scott, donated the individual maximum $2,000 to President George W. Bush, and Jay Allen, vice president for corporate affairs, raised at least $100,000 to re-elect the president, earning him the Bush campaign's designation of "Pioneer."

Wal-Mart—two-thirds of whose 3,580 stores are in the "red states" that voted for Bush in 2000—is backing White House policies on everything from trade to limiting overtime pay.

"Wal-Mart is extremely strong in Republican strongholds; they are a red-state retailer," said Amy Bonkoski, an investment adviser at Cleveland-based National City Corp.'s private-client group, which manages about $26 billion, including Wal-Mart and Costco shares. "Costco is stronger in Democratic states. Costco is a friend to labor. Unions hate Wal-Mart."

http://www.teamster.org/04news/hn_040721_1.htm

[rzemanfl]

2. I don't use corncobs from genetically modified corn. n/t

[delete_bush]

7. Now THAT is funny!

[rzemanfl]

11. Somehow I don't think we are going to wrest control of the

country from the fascists, or save the rainforests by switching brands of asswipe. We need to run the asswipes out of Washington. The corncob thing was just my way of trying to express that.

[fighttotheend]

18. Just small way to hit in the pocket $ is all they care about...

lets stop giving it to them

[4sanity]

4. Oh crap

Scott is my brand and I vote with my wallet. Thanks for the heads up, I'll check it out.

[htuttle]

5. The term to look for on the package is 'Post-Consumer' fiber or content

There are some products that claim to be made from recycled content, but all they are recycling is the wood chips that get thrown off when they mill a log.

The 'Post-Consumer' content is how much was actually made from old paper. Typically the most I ever see is 40-60% Post-Consumer content. If you look around, you might be able to find products with more.

If it doesn't note this on the package, it's probably not made from any recycled materials.

[TryingToWarnYou]

6. Ewww, recycled toilet paper? Thanks but no thanks...

Just a joke...sorry.

[Richard D]

9. Hey

We hang our's out to dry. Get at least three or four uses out of it.

[Pepperbelly]

10. How do you know this?

Sounds like a bunch of hooey to me. They grow soft pine for that all over the south. Be pretty goofy to go all the way to the rain forest for wood that isn't particularly good for it.

[fighttotheend]

12. Go to http://www.nrdc.org

Check it out. They have a special links. Just some info I thought would help you make your choice while buying some products to do good. I'm not the bad person here. Just a simple way to make your voice heard in a nation that doesnt care about the environment.
http://www.nrdc.org

You'll have to look around--Great Site--Robert Redford for Pres.

[Pepperbelly]

14. Where did you see that? Cannot find it and am

unwilling to just believe it without looking at their evidence.

[fighttotheend]

17. Here is where it is

Go to the web site on the left side you will see links, pick Parks,Forrests, Wildlands and it will take you to that section then look to the right in NEWS AND ISSUE HIGHLIGHTS its the 2nd, under Arctic Drilling.

[Pepperbelly]

20. thanx. nt

[fighttotheend]

15. Just pulled from nrdc web site

Paper Industry Laying Waste to North American Forests
Kimberly-Clark and other top U.S. manufacturers are sacrificing our most ecologically rich forests to make disposable tissue paper products.

Giant paper producers including Kimberly-Clark -- the maker of Scott, Cottonelle, Kleenex and Viva tissue paper products -- are forcing the destruction of our continent's most vibrant forests, and devastating the habitat for countless wildlife species in the process. Instead of making better use of materials such as post-consumer recycled fiber and agricultural residue to meet the escalating demand for toilet paper, paper towels and other disposable tissue products, these companies buy virgin pulp from suppliers that reach deep into North American forests for timber, from northern Canada to the southeastern United States. To help halt this destruction, NRDC and other conservation groups are pressuring the tissue products industry to change its practices and educating consumers about the choices they have when buying tissue paper products.

[Pepperbelly]

16. Where did they get this I wonder ...

Because around here, much pine is grown for that veryu purpose. Very much and none of it is in old-growth forest. They fucked that up LONG ago. But they do have their tree farms and frankly, I don't give a shit what they do to their tree farms. Once the pine is planted, the land is fucked for our relevant future.

[depakid]

13. Stop using American brand name products PERIOD

strike a blow not only for the environment- but against the media whores who make their money- and spread their lies through your support of their advertisers.

I can't remember the last brand name product I purchased. I think it was a rising crust pizza several months ago. Sometimes you can't avoid it- but at least make the effort.

[Melynn]

21. I will never shop at Wal-Mart

but the rest of the products I will buy at other stores.

[fighttotheend]

23. Just wondering why you hate wal-mart?

[Mr_Spock]

29. Anti-union, anti-liberal, anti-worker.

They are your basic national disaster. They just shut down a store because the employees voted for a union. They have such poor benefits that municipalities are passing ordinances forcing them to improve benefits because the people have to get public assistance to survive - thus taxing the community. They are the leader in the race to the bottom with sourcing cheap Chinese products that will eventually put us all out of work and China will continue to drive up oil prices to get the energy to build our products with their cheap labor. WalMart gave more money than any other retailer to the Republican party to help elect the lying mass murderer. Any questions?

[Mr_Spock]

32. Walmart is also taking out life insurance on low-level employees!!

http://forum.walmartsucks.com/ftopic4892.html&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=30&sid=06504731751202b61ba0ccb227429027

They even worked this one guy to death and collected on him.

"My husband of 27 years was a Wal-Mart assistant mgr. for l0 years. The last 4 years of his life he was working 75-80 hr weeks not the 52hrs he was hired at. Wal-Mart had started seriously short staffing their stores and the workload became horrible. The last 3 days of Mike's life I didn't see him as he had worked close to 48 hrs . On Sept. l999 Mike called 3 times for assistance with a large tv for a lady customer, no one was available to help. Mike took the tv out and loaded it by himself. He got 20 feet back inside the store where he had a massive heart attack from over exertion. Mike was only 48 and had passed a physical and stress test just 5 months earlier."

They took the polices out on people who also had their insurance through the company - interesting as they would have information on these people. The policies were payable to Walmart - not the employees family in case you were wondering.

These are truly sick people and are typical of RW mentality - live and let DIE!! I hate them.

[OneTwentyoNine]

47. Used to until it became public knowledge......

The outrage against them was widespread,playing life insurance "lottery" on certain employees.

I guess its legal but its one of the most sickening,ethicaly bankrupt practices I've ever heard an employer do to an employee.

[proud2BlibKansan]

34. WalMart just closed a store in Canada

that voted in the union.

[Melynn]

37. I'm too drunk to answer right now.

Many later I give you a litany of their sins.

I notice that you're a newbie. Welcome to DU. Spend some time here and you find out what is wrong with Wal-Mart.

[G_j]

46. What Studies Show about Wal-Mart

What Studies Show about Wal-Mart and Big-Box Retail
We recently updated and expanded our list of studies that examine such questions as: Does Wal-Mart create jobs? Do big-box stores boost the tax base? Do independent stores benefit the local economy more than chains? Organized by category, with summaries and links.

http://www.newrules.org/retail/econimpact.html
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http://www.alternet.org/story/21658 /

Wal-Mart's Culture of Crime and Greed

By Jonathan Tasini, TomPaine.com. Posted April 4, 2005.


Manipulation, greed and wrongdoing in the name of profit are as much a part of the Wal-Mart business model as are those low, low prices.
The Beast of Bentonville (better known as Wal-Mart) is grappling with a spate of management dismissals and investigations over the past few months that appear rooted in internal petty thievery. But rather than a few bad apples being rooted out, it's clear that crime, greed, wrongdoing, malfeasance and cronyism are deeply embedded in the Wal-Mart business model. Indeed, Wal-Mart could not survive without manipulating the system and breaking the law.

In case you didn't catch it, Thomas Coughlin--a former vice chair of the company and at one time a potential future CEO candidate--was forced to resign from the board because of, as the British Financial Times reported on its front page, an "alleged unauthorized use of corporate-owned gift cards and personal reimbursements that appear to have been obtained from the company through the reporting of false information on third-party invoices and company expense reports. The amount in controversy is estimated to be in the range of $100,000 to $500,000." Translation: the guy padded his expense accounts.

In the current investigation, three other employees, including a company officer, were also dismissed. And back in December, three other executives and four employees were fired for violating "unspecified" company rules. I would venture to guess that those rules had nothing to do, for example, with treating workers badly (that kind of conduct actually calls for a promotion at the Beast of Bentonville, or at least a one-time visit to the company's executive washroom) but with other financial wrongdoing.

But why should this be surprising? The culture of Wal-Mart encourages and condones misbehavior among its leaders every day. Let me tick off just the highlights--or lowlights, as the case may be.

..more..
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The Hometown Advantage (updated articles and news)
http://www.newrules.org/retail/index.php

[fighttotheend]

50. Thanks for the heads up...What about Kmart how are they????

I live where there is a wal-mart down the street, I used to shop there but if they are as bad as ppl say I'll shop other places. CVS also has what I need and Kmart. Those are stores around here. THere is a target but its pretty far. WIth those gas prices it just seemed easier to go to Wal-Mart.

[G_j]

52. not an expert on this but just about any store

is better than WM. I understand Target is one of the better big box choices. Then again you don't hear much about K-Mart bullying and destroying communities, I'm sure they are a better choice also.

[SoCalDem]

22. You should order and use "Shit Begone"..(it's a BLUE company)

they even offered a 30% discount for blue staters during the election..

www.shitbegone.com



Welcome to ShitBegone.

ShitBegone toilet paper is a quality product that exemplifies your attitude and approach to life.
Part journey of discovery, part assertion of responsibility, part embrace of life, ShitBegone expresses hope and belief that a better world is possible.

[dweller]

24. if only they would print the rolls

using organic inks, of course.

dp

[mcar]

25. Oooh, I hate knowing this

I don't use Scott TP, but the only kind of tissue I can use is Kleenex ultra soft. I have allergies and blow my nose 50+ times a day. Every other tissue is too harsh, or has perfumes in it that make my allergies worse.

I live in NJ for a number of years and we tried to use Marcal products because they were local. Sorry, but it was like blowing and wiping with sand paper. Yuck!

[HysteryDiagnosis]

26. Got you beat.... I stopped using toilet paper altogether... eom.

[Mr_Spock]

27. Walmart?

I would never ever darken their doors for the rest of my life. They are anti-union, anti-liberal and anti-worker. They are your basic anti-Americans - YUCK!!

[magnussun]

28. Scott is a slur!

I stopped using it because it is named after my ethnic group. I don't drink "Scotch" either.

M

[bklyncowgirl]

30. I use Marcal

Made of recycled paper with a good percentage of post consumer materials and unlike boutique recycled brands is actually inexpensive. It's also made right here in New Jersey so there's lower transportation costs.

[demgurl]

31. Who on earth can use Scott?

I have hemorrhoids and I couldn't use it before but I can not tolerate it at all now! That stuff should be called Sandpaper!

[mpendragon]

33. recycling is good but I don't buy the rain forest thing. . .

Are you saying that they ship giant trees here for processing into tissue?
That costs a lot more than just cutting down fast growing tress here (southern pines).

Are you saying that they have huge paper mills in the rain forest and ship tissue paper here?
That costs a lot too but it is more feasible.

Recycling newspaper or paper bags into tissue makes sense because recycling paper tends to make the fibers shorter. That makes the resulting paper weaker but tissue paper doesn't need to be as strong as grocery bags, news paper, or cardboard.

Rain forest trees are usually just burned or used in construction because they don't have the infrastructure to convert them into furniture, export grade lumber, or tissue. I'll bet we send rain forest nations more paper than they send us.

The trees used for paper mills (in the south anyway) are pines that take 18-25 years to regrow and are often grown on tree farms (that's kind of good but there isn't much bio-diversity). They also get tress from National Forest on the cheap (that's usually bad).

The worst things about paper mills tend to be the chemicals used to bleach the paper and the chemicals used to remove the wood fiber from the other materials in the wood (sap). They have to dump that mess somewhere and it tends to go into rivers and streams. Paper mills also burn stripped off bark for electricity and that probably isn't that great.

[Redstone]

35. "they use only trees from our rainforests???"

Got any backup for that statement?

Sounds kinda dubious to me.

Redstone

On edit: I checked your source. You should pay better attention. There is nothing in that article that says they are "using only trees from rainforests!"

Your concern for the environment is commendable, but you need to pay better attention before you make such broad accusations.

[fighttotheend]

49. EDIT--Sorry., It is our Nation's Forrest's they are destoying

I woulds post picturces, but i'm new to this and I don't know how yet.
But I do belong to take group and I will keep you up todate with correct news next time sorry for the mistake, but never the less, its still wrong. Trees are very important, they naturally clean our air that we breath, I learned that in 5th grade :wow:

[patricia92243]

36. I stopped using Scott Toilet Paper because it irritates my skin :(

[LizW]

40. My hubby calls it John Wayne Toilet Paper

"It's rough and tough and doesn't take any shit off anybody."

[Dorian Gray]

54. True...

but with the low-flow toilets, if we use any of the "softer and plusher" papers, we end up clogging the toilets. So, we have to use either Scott or Marcal. I don't LIKE either of them particularly, but I also don't like plunging a gross toilet four times a day, either!

[EvolveOrConvolve]

38. I'm doubtful

Corporations are in business to make money, Kimberly Clarke included. Even my limited knowledge leads me to believe that cutting down rain forest trees in a far away region without the required infrastructure for manufacturing, then shipping it to the U.S. for toilet paper is expensive.

I applaud your efforts, but these are the sort of shrill, alarmist, inaccurate posts that freepers point to when talking about how crazy and out-of-touch us libs are.

Oh, and please please please don't shop at Walmart. They are the devil.

[Stinky The Clown]

39. I use Macho Wipe

Macho Wipe - 80 grit sandpaper .... cuz I'm tough.

[soothsayer]

41. I love Scott! Lasts so much longer, it has GOT to be more

ecologically sound (in some way). And safe for sani-systems! How can you beat that?

[Name removed]

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[RUMMYisFROSTED]

43. Wiping with the old hand, huh?

Now that's poverty.

[driver8]

44. Nothing wipes better than a page from the good ol' Sears catalog

All of you girlie-men (and women) with your fancy, store bought toilet paper. The Sears and Roebuck catalog is all the toilet paper a good, God fairin' 'Merkun should need.

[0007]

45. Boycott Wall-Mart!

[OneTwentyoNine]

48. Walmart?? No thanks,I'd rather take a chance with poison ivy......n/t

[lonestarnot]

53. Well you may have ONE right.