OMG - we are going to invade Iran based on lies - new ad coming

[FloridaPat]

I can't believe I see this with my own eyes. Ads are going to be run in 24 cities to convince people that if we don't stop Iran, NYC will be bombed with a nuclear bomb. But wait until you see all the details.

www.iranfreedomfoundation.org and Iranfree.org are sponsoring the ads. The first one was incorporated in February. Address is in Washington DC. The domain names have no information, which is illegal according to various laws. Or they are hiding the names, which is just as bad. The ad shows NYC and ends with a nuclear bomb explosion. Sounds a lot like the hype Bush gave for Iraq. The whole thing is based on Dr. Jerome R. Corsi's book, Atomic Iran: How the Terrorist Regime Bought the Bomb and American Politicians. It shows Kerry talking but I can't understand what he's saying.

Now, does the name Dr. Jerome R. Corsi sound familiar? It should be. He also wrote "Unfit for Command: Swift Boat Veterans Speak Out Against John Kerry".

Producer of the film won an award for his film "In the Face of Evil: Reagan's War in Word and Deed".

The rush to war is on. And it's obvious who's behind this one - again - Bushco.

[Tempest]

1. Fool me once

Shame on you.

Fool me twice, shame on me.

[TWiley]

9. Did you see the video of the weasel trying to quote that?

He said:

Fool me once, shame on you.
Fool me twice, well uh
uh
well uh
uh <scratching head>
well, lets put it this way
You are not gonna fool me twice.

[Tempest]

14. It's a classic

A Bushism at its best.

[GiovanniC]

143. I Honestly Think

It's because Bush is incapable of admitting fault... at some sort of psychological level he can't even bring himself to say "shame on me".

He just cannot admit fault.

[raccoon]

148. Abso-friggin-lutely. nt

[TWiley]

155. Well then, If he cannot admit a fault,

then WE will just have to do it for him. Right?

I mean, somebody has to let little lord Fauntleroy that he is, well, a smidgen less than perfect.

[CoffeeCat]

160. Your assertion makes sense...

...because an inability to admit fault is typical behavior of alcoholics and abusers.

They totally lack the ability to see beyond the end of their own nose. They cannot see how their actions might affect others and they flat out cannot feel empathy.

They are locked down in their own denial.

[seabeyond]

67. its my favorite, my all time favorite,

i use it everywhere. lol lol. especially to a repug and then i laugh and laugh, then i tell them how funny i am all while i laugh, lol lol

damn good thing i am a girl, owuld have been bopped in the nose by now

[TWiley]

156. Well, if they start to get onery, just

put your hands on your hips, tilt the head 12 degrees to the right, and exclaim:

Well, I'm Just a Girl !

Hopefully, that would keep ya safe. Keep rammin it to em. They need it.

[ps1074]

13. You got that wrong

It is...

Fool me once - shame on you, fool me twice... uhh... can't fool me again.

[WLKjr]

16. nope, your close but no cigar

it is really ......


"Fool me once -----sham shame on you, fool me twice, get fooled you can't fool me again."

[New Dealer]

32. Actually, I think it's

"Fool me once, shame on - shame one you. Fool me you can't get fooled again."

[Sparkle]

37. LOL!

I crack up everytime I see that on Farenheit 11. It was even funnier in the movies when everyone else was laughing.

[WLKjr]

39. when I first saw that I remember someone yelling out

"SPIT IT OUT DUMBASS!"

[Donailin]

55. I said that!

Did you see it in the District??

<g>

[WLKjr]

61. I saw it in Dublin OH

AMC

[TWiley]

157. Good Grief, I said the same thing! N/T

[Vincardog]

53. Actually I think It was

"Fool me once, shame on you - fool me twice uh he hum dug he he ...
we won't be fooled again"

Of course what he meant was "I fooled you all the first time and now I am going to do whatever the F I want to do you fools."

[New Dealer]

57. Here's the video (quicktime)

My speakers aren't plugged in so I don't know who's right.

http://politicalhumor.about.com/library/multimedia/foolbush.mov

[Paradise]

140. THAT'S IT!!!

"I fooled you all the first time and now I am going to do whatever the F I want to do you fools."

[annabanana]

66. DING DING DING

We have a winner!
Although the others still get brownie points for fair approximations of B*sh's stupid mistake.

Oh, and :toast: WELcome to DU!

[smoogatz]

69. dingdingdingdingding

We have a winner.

[FreedomAngel82]

83. LOL

Too funny. I have heard that quote here in Tennessee. It's actually:
"Fool me once shame on me, fool me twice- you can't fool me again."
On note I've only heard this once when I was really young. :shrug:

[wryter2000]

90. Welcome to DU

:hi:

[CantGetFooledAgain]

96. The last line sounded to me like...

"...if fooled, ya can't get fooled again".

Whatever it is, that's what I chose for my DU username.

One of the funniest things I've ever seen * do. And the treatment it got on the Daily Show was a classic.

[youthere]

161. LOL

"...if fooled, ya can't get fooled again".

That's chicken pox you chimp face dumbass!
(Bush, not you)

[dhinojosa]

135. you forgot the periods.......

"Fool me once, shame on - shame one you. Fool me..........................................................................................................................you can't get fooled again."

[lonestarnot]

146. Dis be it and OMG what an embarrassment this fucklet is!

[Gruenemann]

33. ACTUALLY...

What he said was, "Fool me once, shame on...shame on me. Fool me...(long pause)...won't get fooled again!" I think his radio must've been picking up an oldies station playing the Who.

[Javaman]

56. Either that or a drug flashback...

[whistle]

2. Randi Rhodes is talking about it on her show on AAR

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

3. That was... wow. Simply offensive.

[12345]

4. so that's what they're doing with the $3 million

to promote democracy in Iran...

[formerrepuke]

5. Invading a country based on lies? Never!

[Avalux]

6. Scott Ritter warned months ago -

we'd be ready to attack by June. I didn't think it could happen, but the propoganda has definitely begun. Other than Corsi, I can't find any other "members" listed on that website, but I'm sure the usual neocon suspects are behind it.

[FloridaPat]

17. Can you understand what Kerry is saying? Is he pro or con?

The nerve of using Kerry.

[Avalux]

26. They're bashing Kerry -

his comment about providing nuclear fuel to Iran - they want him to look like an idiot. Corsi HATES Kerry.

[July]

158. Who else is Corsi connected to?

He's been involved with smear boat, privatize SS, and stop Iran propaganda efforts in the past few months. He's on somebody's payroll, don't you think?

[Avalux]

29. self delete

[Javaman]

58. Yeah we will be withdrawing from Iraq and moving to Iran

[Gemini Cat]

64. That's neo-con's exit strategy for Iraq

"Leave" Iraq... enter Iran. Not that the US will leave Iraq or anything like that.

[tavalon]

121. I first heard that in a joke

Hey did you hear that we finally have an exit strategy for Iraq? We'll be leaving through Iran.

Funny, ha ha..........not!

[DrDebug]

7. If it happens twice, it'll happen three times

1. Afghanistan
2. Iraq
3. Iran

You know what 4 will be, because sooner or later they'll reap what they sown

[wakeme2008]

8. appears to be reg to a Robert Hahn

Domain ID: D105672926-LROR
Domain Name: IRANFREEDOMFOUNDATION.ORG
Created On: 02-Feb-2005 23: 26: 21 UTC
Last Updated On: 04-Apr-2005 04: 08: 33 UTC
Expiration Date: 02-Feb-2006 23: 26: 21 UTC
Sponsoring Registrar: Network Solutions LLC (R63-LROR)
Status: CLIENT TRANSFER PROHIBITED
Registrant ID: 17698038-NSIV
Registrant Name: Robert Hahn
Registrant Organization:
Registrant Street1: ATTN insert domainname here
Registrant Street2: care of Network Solutions
Registrant Street3:
Registrant City: Herndon
Registrant State/Province: VA
Registrant Postal Code: 20172
Registrant Country: US
Registrant Phone: [phone]
Registrant Phone Ext.:
Registrant FAX:
Registrant FAX Ext.:
Registrant Email: [email protected]

Admin ID: 17698038-NSIV
Admin Name: Robert Hahn
Admin Organization:
Admin Street1: ATTN insert domainname here
Admin Street2: care of Network Solutions
Admin Street3:
Admin City: Herndon
Admin State/Province: VA
Admin Postal Code: 20172
Admin Country: US
Admin Phone: [phone]
Admin Phone Ext.:
Admin FAX:
Admin FAX Ext.:
Admin Email: [email protected]

Tech ID: 17698038-NSIV
Tech Name: Robert Hahn
Tech Organization:
Tech Street1: ATTN insert domainname here
Tech Street2: care of Network Solutions
Tech Street3:
Tech City: Herndon
Tech State/Province: VA
Tech Postal Code: 20172
Tech Country: US
Tech Phone: [phone]
Tech Phone Ext.:
Tech FAX:
Tech FAX Ext.:
Tech Email: [email protected]

[wakeme2008]

15. the second one he gives his email addy... LOL

Domain ID: D105779765-LROR
Domain Name: IRANFREE.ORG
Created On: 23-Feb-2005 17: 51: 01 UTC
Last Updated On: 23-Feb-2005 17: 51: 03 UTC
Expiration Date: 23-Feb-2007 17: 51: 01 UTC
Sponsoring Registrar: Namesdirect Inc. (R92-LROR)
Status: TRANSFER PROHIBITED
Registrant ID: DOT-OU2L2SEBY211
Registrant Name: ROBERT HAHN
Registrant Organization: BOBHAHN
Registrant Street1: 1210 Massachusetts Ave. NW 103
Registrant Street2:
Registrant Street3:
Registrant City: Washington
Registrant State/Province: DC
Registrant Postal Code: 20005
Registrant Country: US
Registrant Phone: [phone]
Registrant Phone Ext.:
Registrant FAX:
Registrant FAX Ext.:
Registrant Email: [email protected]

Admin ID: DOT-4C5KOWFT3CWD
Admin Name: ROBERT HAHN
Admin Organization: BOBHAHN
Admin Street1: 1210 Massachusetts Ave. NW 103
Admin Street2:
Admin Street3:
Admin City: Washington
Admin State/Province: DC
Admin Postal Code: 20005
Admin Country: US
Admin Phone: [phone]
Admin Phone Ext.:
Admin FAX:
Admin FAX Ext.:
Admin Email: [email protected]

Tech ID: DOT-Z7JATCGOFZBK
Tech Name: ROBERT HAHN
Tech Organization: BOBHAHN
Tech Street1: 1210 Massachusetts Ave. NW 103
Tech Street2:
Tech Street3:
Tech City: Washington
Tech State/Province: DC
Tech Postal Code: 20005
Tech Country: US
Tech Phone: [phone]
Tech Phone Ext.:
Tech FAX:
Tech FAX Ext.:
Tech Email: [email protected]

[seemslikeadream]

27. Edit - CPAC 2005 convention 2/18

CPAC 2005 convention 2/18


Ronald Rayguns Buliding, DC

Confirmed Speakers, Panelists and Moderators

Dr. Michael Adams
University of North Carolina
Can Conservatives Get an Even Break on Campus?
What's Going On in our Colleges?

Gary Aldrich
Patrick Henry Center for Individual Liberty
Cutting Spending is Tough Work,
But Somebody Has to Do It

Senator George Allen (VA)
(Speech)

Dr. Paul Anthony - New
PhRMA
In Defense of Innovation : The War Against the
Drug Companies

Kristin Armshaw
American Legislative Exchange Council
Tort Reform and the Rule of Law

Jed Babbin
The American Spectator
The UN: What They're Up To and Why We
Should Worry

Michael Barone
US News & World Report
How the Good Guys Won

The Honorable Bob Barr
21st Century Privacy and Freedom Task Force,
Former U.S. House Representative (GA)
Can We Fight Terrorism, Contend With Invasive
Technology, and Protect Our Rights at the
Same Time?

Christopher R. Barron
Log Cabin Republicans
Social Security: It's Broke and Needs Fixin'

John Berthoud, Ph.D.
National Taxpayers Union
Cutting Spending is Tough Work,
But Somebody Has to Do It

Kevin Blier
Center for American Cultural Renewal
Conservative Principle and Unresolved Issues:
Differences Within the Family On a Federal Marriage Amendment

Kenneth Blackwell
Ohio Secretary of State
Marriage as a Winning Issue in 2004 and Beyond

Morton Blackwell
The Leadership Institute
(Speech)

Sandy Liddy Bourne - New
American Legislative Exchange Council
Federalism Doesn't Mean States Should
Take Everything We've Got Left When the
Feds Finish With Us: Reform Out in the Country

Brent Bozell
Media Research Center
Novak vs. Donaldson: Did the Media Out Do
Itself in 2004?

Wayne T. Brough, Ph.D.
Freedom Works
Federalism Doesn't Mean States Should
Take Everything We've Got Left When the
Feds Finish With Us: Reform Out in the Country

Senator Sam Brownback (KS)
Technology, Science and Traditional Values:
Taking, Making, and Faking Human Life

Pat Buchanan
American Cause
Leadership and Elections:
The Importance of Issues and Values

General Josiah Bunting
Virginia Military Institue
Can Conservatives Get an Even Break on Campus?
What's Going On in our Colleges?

Herman Cain
A New Voice
Tax Cuts and Tax Reform:
Whose Money Are We Talking About Here?

Dr. Nigel Cameron
Institute on Bio-Technology and the Human Future
Technology, Science and Traditional Values:
Taking, Making, and Faking Human Life

Jeffrey Carlisle
Federal Communications Commission
Emerging Technology: Will Regulation Stifle Its
Advancement?

Tim Carney
Fellow at the Phillips Foundation & Freelance Journalist
Conservative Principle and Unresolved Issues:
Differences Within the Family On Free Trade and
Protecting American Jobs

Amanda Carpenter
Ball State University
Battling the Left in Its Privileged Sanctuaries

Steve Castleton
GOP Internet Strategist
Sidestepping the Dinosaurs:
How "New" Media is Transforming Politics

Vice President Dick Cheney
Presidential Banquet

Dan Clifton
American Shareholder Association
They Take and Spend What We Earn,
But Won't Let Us Save It

Senator Tom Coburn (OK)
Simply Talking About Runaway Spending
Won't Cut It!

Senator Norm Coleman (MN)
Presidential Banquet

(Consumer Electronics Representative)
Download Wars: The Debate Over
Intellectual Property Rights

U.S Senator John Cornyn (TX)
Thwarting the Liberal Drive to Govern
Through Judicial Edict

Ann Coulter
Syndicated Columnist and Author

Patrick Coyle
Young America's Foundation
Can Conservatives Get an Even Break on Campus?
What's Going On in our Colleges?

Secretary of State Randy Daniels (NY)
Federalism Doesn't Mean States Should
Take Everything We've Got Left When the
Feds Finish With Us: Reform Out in the Country

Donald J. Devine, Ph.D.
American Conservative Union Foundation
Tort Reform and the Rule of Law

Sara Dogan
Students for Academic Freedom
Can Conservatives Get an Even Break on Campus?
What's Going On in our Colleges?

Sam Donaldson
ABC News
Novak vs. Donaldson: Did the Media Out Do
Itself in 2004?

Charles Donovan
Family Research Council
Technology, Science and Traditional Values:
Taking, Making, and Faking Human Life

Ivan Eland
The Independent Institute
Conservative Principle and Unresolved Issues:
Differences Within the Family On the Direction of Our Foreign Policy

Jerry Ellig
Mercatus Center at George Mason University
Emerging Technology: Will Regulation Stifle Its
Advancement?

Ryan Ellis
Alliance for Worker Freedom
2004: How the Bad Guys Tried to Stop Us and
How We Can Guard Against Future Cheating

Tony Fabrizio
Fabrizio, McLaughlin & Associates
Straw Poll Results and the State of the Movement

Don Feder
US India League
Protecting the Homeland Against Enemies
Foreign and Domestic

Tom Fitton
Judicial Watch
Will the New Senate Confirm Good Judges?

Alison Fraser
The Heritage Foundation
Cutting Spending is Tough Work,
But Somebody Has to Do It

Sandy Froman
National Rifle Association
Will the New Senate Confirm Good Judges?

John Fund
Wall Street Journal & Author of 'Stealing Elections'
Capital Research Center
2004: How the Bad Guys Tried to Stop Us and
How We Can Guard Against Future Cheating

Dr. Nile Gardiner
The UN: What They're Up To and Why We
Should Care

The Honorable James Gilmore
Former Governor of Virginia
Life (and Principle) Beyond the Beltway

Newt Gingrich
(Fmr.) Speaker of the U.S. House of Representatives,
Political Commentator
A 21st Century Contract With America

Thomas A. Giovanetti
Institute for Policy Innovation
Social Security: It's Broke and Needs Fixin'

Phil Giraldi
(Fmr) CIA Expert in Counterterorrism
Protecting the Homeland Against Enemies
Foreign and Domestic

James Glassman
Tech Central Station
They Take and Spend What We Earn,
But Won't Let Us Save It

Shannon L. Goessling, Esq.
Southeastern Legal Foundation
Tort Reform and the Rule of Law

Ambassador Dore Gold
Kofi Annan and the Slaughter of the
Innocents

John Goodman
National Center for Policy Analysis
Social Security: It's Broke and Needs Fixin'

Paul Gourley
College Republican National Committee
Battling the Left in Its Privileged Sanctuaries

Patrick Guerriero
Log Cabin Republicans
Conservative Principle and Unresolved Issues:
Differences Within the Family On a Federal Marriage Amendment

Namrata Singh Gujral (aka Namrata Cooper)
Actress, American Pride Films Group
Hollywood Interrupted

Robert H. Hahn
Free Republic Network
Sidestepping the Dinosaurs:
How "New" Media is Transforming Politics

Ambassador Dennis K. Hays
Former Coordinator for Cuban Affairs at the State Department
Conservative Principle and Unresolved Issues:
Differences Within the Family On What to do about Cuba

Hugh Hewitt
Radio Talk Show Host & Author of 'Blog'
Sidestepping the Dinosaurs:
How "New" Media is Transforming Politics

Van Hipp
American Defense International, Inc.
Protecting the Homeland Against Enemies
Foreign and Domestic

Scott Hodge
The Tax Foundation
Tax Cuts and Tax Reform: Whose MoneyAre We
Talking About Here?

David Horowitz
Students for Academic Freedom
Can Conservatives Get an Even Break on Campus?
What's Going On in our Colleges?

Virginia Speaker of the House William J. Howell
Federalism Doesn't Mean States Should
Take Everything We've Got Left When the
Feds Finish With Us: Reform Out in the Country

Ellen Hubbard
American Film Renaissance
Hollywood Interrupted

Ed Hudgins - New
The Objectivist Center
The UN: What They're Up To and Why We
Should Care

Representative Henry Hyde (IL-6)
Predential Banquet

Charlie W. Jarvis
USA Next
Social Security: It's Broke and Needs Fixin'

Tamar Jacoby
The Manhattan Institute
Immigration Reform: Recognizing Reality or
Surrendering Principles?

David John
The Heritage Foundation
Social Security: It's Broke and Needs Fixin'

Alison Kasich
Bucknell University
Battling the Left in Its Privileged Sanctuaries

Sam Kazman
Competitive Enterprise Institute
In Defense of Innovation : The War Against the
Drug Companies

David A. Keene
American Conservative Union Foundation
Welcome to the 32nd Annual CPAC

Phil Kent
Americans for Immigration Control
Immigration Reform: Recognizing Reality or Surrendering Principles?

Tom Kilgannon
Freedom Alliance
The UN: What They're Up To and Why We
Should Care

Cliff Kincaid
Accuracy in Media
Sidestepping the Dinosaurs:
How "New" Media is Transforming Politics

Arnold Kling
Author of 'Learning Economics'
They Take and Spend What We Earn,
But Won't Let Us Save It

Dr. Stephen Klugewicz - New
Collegiate Network
Can Conservatives Get an Even Break on Campus?
What's Going On in our Colleges?

Gary Kreep
U.S Justice Foundation
Will the New Senate Confirm Good Judges?

Wayne LaPierre
National Rifle Association
Presidential Banquet

John R. Lott, Jr., Ph.D.
American Enterprise Institute
Will the New Senate Confirm Good Judges?

Carrie Lukas
Independent Women's Forum
Social Security: It's Broke and Needs Fixin'

Mychal Massie - New
Project 21
A 21st Century Contract With America

Dr. Merrill Mathews
Institute for Policy Innovation
In Defense of Innovation : The War Against the
Drug Companies

Jason Mattera
Roger Williams University
Battling the Left in Its Privileged Sanctuaries

Senator Mitch McConnell (KY)
(Speech)

Ken Mehlman
Chairman, Republican National Committee
(Speech)

Senator Zell Miller (GA)
Ronald Reagan Banquet

Rich Miniter
Investigative Journalist and Author
Protecting the Homeland Against Enemies
Foreign and Domestic

Cleta Mitchell
Foley & Lardner
2004: How the Bad Guys Tried to Stop Us and
How We Can Guard Against Future Cheating

Marc Mix
National Right to Work Foundation
2004: How the Bad Guys Tried to Stop Us and
How We Can Guard Against Future Cheating

Steve Moore
Free Enterprise Fund
How the Good Guys Won

Deroy Murdock
Columnist & Senior Fellow, Atlas Economic Research Foundation
In Defense of Innovation : The War Against the
Drug Companies

U.S. Representative Tim Murphy (PA-18)
In Defense of Innovation : The War Against the
Drug Companies

William J. Murray
Government is Not God PAC
Conservative Principle and Unresolved Issues:
On a Federal Marriage Amendment

Ethan Nadelmann
Drug Policy Alliance
Conservative Principle and Unresolved Issues:
Differences Within the Family On How to deal with Drugs

Grover Norquist
Americans for Tax Reform
Tax Cuts and Tax Reform: Whose MoneyAre We
Talking About Here?

Jerry Norris
Hudson Institute
The UN: What They're Up To and Why We
Should Care

Bob Novak
Syndicated Columnist, CNN
Novak vs. Donaldson: Did the Media Out Do
Itself in 2004?

Solicitor General Theodore B. Olson
Download Wars: The Debate Over
Intellectual Property Rights

Dick Patten - New
American Family Business Institute
Cutting Spending is Tough Work,
But Somebody Has to Do It

Representative Mike Pence (IN-6)
Presidential Banquet

Tony Perkins
Family Research Council
Marriage as a Winning Issue in 2004 and Beyond

Reverend Jesse Peterson
BOND
Hollywood Interrupted

Peter Pitsch
Intel
Emerging Technology: Will Regulation Stifle Its
Advancement?

Richard Poe
New York Times Best-Selling Author
Conservative Principle and Unresolved Issues:
Differences Within the Family On How to deal with Drugs

Dr. Barry Poulson
Americans for Prosperity Foundation
Federalism Doesn't Mean States Should
Take Everything We've Got Left When the
Feds Finish With Us: Reform Out in the Country

Dr. David Prentice
Life Sciences
Technology, Science and Traditional Values:
Taking, Making, and Faking Human Life

Kayne Robinson
National Rifle Association
How the Good Guys Won

Marc Rotterman
Rotterman & Associates
How the Good Guys Won

Karl Rove
Presidential Senior Advisor/ Chief Political Strategist
(Speech)

Dominic Rupprecht - New
Bucknell University
Battling the Left in Its Privileged Sanctuaries

Representative Paul Ryan (WI-1)
Leading from Principle: Expanding Freedom and
Limiting Government

Senator Rick Santorum (PA)
Necessity of the Family

Terrence Scanlon
Capital Research Center
2004: How the Bad Guys Tried to Stop Us How We Can
Guard Against Future Cheating

Craig Schelske
Craig PAC and Manager of Sara Evans
Hollywood Interrupted

Phyllis Schlafly
Eagle Forum
Immigration Reform: Recognizing Reality or
Surrendering Principles?

Nick Schulz
Tech Central Station
Sidestepping the Dinosaurs:
How "New" Media is Transforming Politics

Kathryn Serkes
Tort Reform and the Rule of Law

Senator Jeff Sessions (AL)
Ronald Reagan Banquet

Dr. Mark Skousen
Economist & Professor
Protecting the Homeland Against Enemies
Foreign and Domestic

Christina Sommers
American Enterprise Institute
Can Conservatives Get an Even Break on Campus?
What's Going On in our Colleges?

Lawrence Spiwak
The Phoenix Center
Emerging Technology: Will Regulation Stifle Its
Advancement?

Ted Steinberg
Writer and Producer of Celsius 41.11
Hollywood Interrupted

Senator John Sununu (NH)
How the President and Congress Can Fix
Social Security This Year

Paul Teller
Republican Study Committee
Cutting Spending is Tough Work,
But Somebody Has to Do It

Adam Thierer
Cato Institute
Download Wars: The Debate Over
Intellectual Property Rights

Lew Uhler
National Tax Limitation Committee
Tax Cuts and Tax Reform:
Whose Money Are We Talking About Here?

Fred Von Lohmann
Electronic Frontier Foundation
Download Wars: The Debate Over
Intellectual Property Rights

Larry Ward
Interactive Political Media, Inc.
Conservative Principle and Unresolved Issues:
Differences Within the Family On Free Trade and
Protecting American Jobs

Tom Wright
Americans for Fair Taxation
Tax Cuts and Tax Reform: Whose MoneyAre We
Talking About Here?

Meet/greet/contact a CPAC'er. They are staying at
Hotel Harrington
436 11th Street, N.W.
Washington, DC 20004-4389
Toll-Free Reservations: [phone]
Phone: [phone]

http://cpac.org/speakers.asp


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=3135346

[Swamp Rat]

73. Laundry list of America's worst criminals still on the loose. n/t

[kk897]

77. Googling the address shows

that it's the headquarters of Free Republic, although maybe that was already clear (sorry if it's like, "duh! that's what we're talking about!"


Free Republic Network
1210 Massachusetts Ave. NW #103
Washington, DC 20005
Robert Hahn, Executive Director
[email protected]


Media Relations
Joe Giganti
Veritas Media Group
[phone]
[email protected]

Further, you get some interesting results when you goggle the Iran Freedom Foundation's publicity agent, Stacie Bauerle.

[kk897]

79. oops--took me too long to post; I see others are already hip to Hahn n/t

[Just Me]

97. Thank you for your contribution!!!

Thank you!!! :hi:

[NMDemDist2]

122. Havard Business School?

his addy is hbs.edu which is Harvard, but they don't list him in the faculty

[progressoid]

150. Harvard Business School...hmmmm

[seemslikeadream]

18. Edit Here's a link from Salon

for Salon.com:

"The hired help employed by the Swift Vets committee is thoroughly partisan, too. Aside from Spaeth and Thomas Rupprath, the private detective she recommended to provide research services, the group's IRS filing names several experienced Washington political operatives. The June 30 filing shows payments to Robert A. Hahn, a right-wing Internet activist and Web designer who also runs something called the Free Republic Network (apparently an affiliate of the extremist Free Republic Web site); and to Tom Wyld, a Navy veteran and former director of public relations for the NRA Institute for Legislative Action, the lobbying arm of the National Rifle Association."

More:

http://www.salon.com/opinion/conason/2004/08/06/mccain_on_swift_boat_veterans/index_np.html

[Just Me]

95. ewww those wicked webs,...

,...I swear SLAD, if a day ever arrived where I had financial independence and then some, I'd hire you in an instant for info-gathering in the pursuit of tying together enough facts to deliver truth.

[Tempest]

19. Robert Hahn is associated with Free Republic, Swift Boat Liars and NRA

Runs the Free Republic Network, part of which is the right-wing hate-mongering, extremist website Free Republic which Corsi frequently contributes to.

The June 30 filing shows payments to Robert A. Hahn, a right-wing Internet activist and Web designer who also runs something called the Free Republic Network (apparently an affiliate of the extremist Free Republic Web site); and to Tom Wyld, a Navy veteran and former director of public relations for the NRA Institute for Legislative Action, the lobbying arm of the National Rifle Association.

http://swiftvets.eriposte.com/behindsbv.htm

[DoYouEverWonder]

48. The members of Free Republic Network

are at the center of all of Rove's smears and other campaigns.

Here's some links to their info and IRS forms:


Free Republic Network
1210 Massachusetts Ave. NW #103
Washington, DC 20005
Robert Hahn, Executive Director
[email protected]


Media Relations
Joe Giganti
Veritas Media Group
[phone]
[email protected]



Web Site Administration
[email protected]


Financial Disclosure

Form 1024
http://ice.he.net/~freepnet/form1024.php

IRS Recognition Letter
http://ice.he.net/~freepnet/irs_accept.php

Form 990 for 2003
http://ice.he.net/~freepnet/form990.php?2003

Form 990 for 2002
http://ice.he.net/~freepnet/form990.php?2002

Form 990 for 2001
http://ice.he.net/~freepnet/form990.php?2001


http://ice.he.net/~freepnet/frnpage.php?page=contact

[TexasLawyer]

75. Harvard Business School

The "hbs.edu" in Hahn's e-mail address is Harvard Business School. I wonder if they'd like to see their name associated with this crap.


Registrant Name: ROBERT HAHN
Registrant Organization: BOBHAHN
Registrant Street1: 1210 Massachusetts Ave. NW 103
Registrant Street2:
Registrant Street3:
Registrant City: Washington
Registrant State/Province: DC
Registrant Postal Code: 20005
Registrant Country: US
Registrant Phone: [phone]
Registrant Phone Ext.:
Registrant FAX:
Registrant FAX Ext.:
Registrant Email: [e-mail]

[TexasLawyer]

81. Short Hahn Bio-- 2005

http://www.ipdi.org/politicsonline/speakers.htm#hahn

Robert Hahn - Executive Director, Free Republic Network

Mr. Hahn is the owner of Concinnate Systems, an Internet technology provider to many conservative organizations and causes. Mr. Hahn's firm provided the technology platform for Swift Boat Veterans for Truth, one of the most effective political efforts in decades. Prior to devoting his efforts to conservative politics, Mr. Hahn spent 20 years as a sales and marketing executive in the computer industry. He holds a degree in Economics from Stanford University and an MBA from the Harvard Business School.

[FloridaPat]

20. Nice going.

[Just Me]

105. AW SHIT!!! "Network Solutions"!!!! NETWORK SOLUTIONS!!!

A branch to the trunk.

Shady. They hit every swing state (OH, WV PA, etc),...I'm sure of it!!!

BOY O' how I would LLLLLUV to get intimate with the origins or their contracts!!!

I'll betcha' they are laudering not only info but money, too!!! :bounce:

[unhappycamper]

10. let's hope our friends overseas pick up on this.

we damn sure know that CONs won't report on the beginnings of the groundswell propaganda.

the ADL poll just came out & now this. put on your tin foil hat - what's next?

[goodboy]

11. we're not going into Iran. we're not. we're going to venezuela though

and nobody'd stop us there.


not iran though, they have nukular weapons. same reason we're not going into N. Korea.


If we were serious about stopping threats before they materialize, Iran or n.korea would've been our first stop,.

[CoffeeCat]

12. More warnings of mushroom clouds?

Haven't we heard this crapola before?

The question is--will America buy it twice?

I guess some Americans get off on the idea of being frightened and then rescued by a giant, lying smirking chimp.

Hey, whatever you're into, that's cool. But this time, can you leave the rest of us out of your bizarro-world pathology?

I don't know whether to cry, storm the streets, make jokes, leave the country or go sailing.

[FloridaPat]

22. The ad looks a lot like the ad Johnson ran against Goldwater.

It sure killed Goldwater's presidential hopes.

[Tempest]

24. Only this time there really will be a mushroom cloud

Only it won't be in the U.S., it'll be in Israel.

Iran won't be the "cakewalk" Iraq was.


Considering China and Russia have vital economic ties with Iran, I doubt they will look too kindly upon any attack.

[LSK]

25. you mean buy it 3 times - the entire cold war

We let our government scare us of the big evil of the USSR and meanwhile they spent spent spent and played their war games. So this would be the 3rd time.

[berni_mccoy]

21. Wow

It actually says "The crime of freedom is... death to America" !!!!???!!! WTF!?!

Use TUCOWS.com to lookup the domain. It's a little more resillient than other whois services.

I found out that Robert Hahn is the registrant of the site and that the phone number to call is 5707088780 for more information. No mailing address is provided, but they are located in Herndon, VA.

[Oreo]

23. Domain info

Website Title: Iran Freedom Foundation Home Page
Response Code: 206
SSL Cert: No valid SSL on this Host, Get Secure
Server Type: Apache/2.0.46 (Unix) mod_perl/1.99_09 Perl/v5.8.0 mod_ssl/2.0.46 OpenSSL/0.9.7a DAV/2 FrontPage/5.0.2.2634 PHP/4.3.7 mod_gzip/2.0.26.1a (Spry.com also uses Apache)
IP Address: 66.160.187.111 (ARIN & RIPE IP search)
IP Location: - Michigan - Hurricane Electric
Blacklist Status: Clear
Cached Whois: Cached today
Whois History: 3 records stored
Record Type: Domain Name
Monitor: Monitor or Backorder
Wildcard search: 'iranfreedomfoundation' or 'iran freedom foundation' in all domains.

66.160.187.111


Blacklist Status: Clear
Record Type: IP Address
IP Location: United States United States - Michigan - Hurricane Electric
Reverse IP: Web server hosts 1 websites (reverse ip tool requires free login)
Reverse DNS: iranfreedomfoundation.org

OrgName: Hurricane Electric
OrgID: HURC
Address: 760 Mission Court
City: Fremont
StateProv: CA
PostalCode: 94539
Country: US

NetRange: 66.160.128.0 - 66.160.207.255
CIDR: 66.160.128.0/18, 66.160.192.0/20
NetName: HURRICANE-7
NetHandle: NET-66-160-128-0-1
Parent: NET-66-0-0-0-0
NetType: Direct Allocation
NameServer: NS1.HE.NET
NameServer: NS2.HE.NET
NameServer: NS3.HE.NET
Comment:
RegDate: 2003-10-09
Updated: 2004-04-20

TechHandle: ZH17-ARIN
TechName: Hurricane Electric
TechPhone: [phone]
TechEmail: Whois Privacy and Spam Prevention by Whois Source

OrgTechHandle: ZH17-ARIN
OrgTechName: Hurricane Electric
OrgTechPhone: [phone]
OrgTechEmail: Whois Privacy and Spam Prevention by Whois Source

[Oreo]

30. Robert Hahn is the Tech Contact

Can you say Freep?

6. ROBERT A. HAHN

Joe Conason, Salon.com

The June 30 filing shows payments to Robert A. Hahn, a right-wing Internet activist and Web designer who also runs something called the Free Republic Network (apparently an affiliate of the extremist Free Republic Web site); and to Tom Wyld, a Navy veteran and former director of public relations for the NRA Institute for Legislative Action, the lobbying arm of the National Rifle Association.

[lonestarnot]

147. Their plan for Iraq's oil didn't pan out...why do they expect to be

successful in Iran...it will be even worse...

[WLKjr]

28. It's comming.....

Iran before teh end of the year.


Reason:

Nuclear attack on the middle east or the US, provoked by some unknown force (could be a multitude of nations including ourselves, rouge or straight)


Why else would the media not be covering anything else but the future king of england's wedding, Ms. Schiavo, Rudolph, delay/frist/rightwing whackjobs inc., and brittney being pregnant????


not to mention the recent attitudes of people representing us in the world

something is about to give.

[Fire Walk With Me]

60. You're right

"Reason:

Nuclear attack on the middle east or the US, provoked by some unknown force (could be a multitude of nations including ourselves, rouge or straight)."

They'd need another Pearl Harbor or 9/11 to outrage people into support. Ouch. But how very obvious it would be. Convenience factor: 10.

[More Than A Feeling]

78. actually, I believe the media is covering that

because they believe that sort of thing brings in the ratings, that that is what is important to the average american. As Brian Lamb, founder of CSPAN said, "In the media, its all about the money."

[FreedomAngel82]

89. But every channel?

I don't know about that. We know the neocons control the media. Every channel now says the same thing. I just think something is up.

[FreedomAngel82]

88. I agree

These people are planning something big. That's why nothing else is getting reported. You got that right. I still wonder if Bush will have a draft. Maybe this is their way of not having one. They'll stay in Iraq until the oil is secured and then have some fake "let's declare victory" b.s. and then probably give it a rest and out of nowhere all this nonsense with Iran. Remember that Bush has NEVER cleaned up any messes he's made in the past, so why would he this? I don't expect him to.

[Horse with no Name]

134. YOU FORGOT THE BOOBS.......lol...n/t

[Avalux]

31. MIHOP and blame Iran?

They're setting the groundwork. I don't discount anything anymore. :hide:

[FloridaPat]

38. Get rid of NYC and I think that would tip NY for the repubs in an election

Then they get N. Korea to bomb California and that would get rid of another Democratic state. Next election there would be no need for a contest.

OK, a little overboard. But at this point I am not disregarding anything these people will do to continue their agenda - whatever it is.

[Avalux]

47. Their agenda - at least Karl Rove's:

Complete one party control of America. The Republicans must be in charge, and he won't settle for anything less.

[HockeyMom]

49. Not the suburbs, dear

I live on Long Island. Even though Republicans (in name only?) outnumber Democrats here, in both elections Gore and Kerry won here. Hell, even Lazio, with a hometown advantage, only beat Hillary by 2%. I would venture a guess Westchester is about the same. They lose NYC AND the suburbs they will never get elected with just upstate votes.

Besides which, we are all sick of being EXPLOITED here in NY for Bush and his war agenda. "Never forget 9/11". Yes, I do know people who died on that day. Spare me. But I also know who exactly DID attack us on 9/11 and it was NOT Iraq and certainly NOT Iran. Does ANYBODY remember Osama BinLaden anymore? I guess NOT.

[FloridaPat]

126. Actually I'm pointing my finger a little closer to home - like Washington.

I don't think the Arabs did it and if there is a nuclear bomb let off in the US, the first people I am looking at are Bush and his buddies.

[nolabels]

149. That would be where I would go first also

These PIRATES have shown no compunction to spare anything. The only thing near in dear to their heart is screwing other people while they getting on top of them to screw them some more. Metaphorically and or not, that is their game

[Fire Walk With Me]

63. Enron helped install Arnold

There were rumors of Arnold/Enron meetings prior to the "energy problem" CA underwent, and the subsequent toppling of the elected officials (creating a problem to install your own solution). It's also rumored that Arnold would pardon Enron from paying back the money they manipulated out of us. Taxpayers holding the bill, once again.

The repubs are systematically attempting to dismantle all obstacles. Arnold is doing a good job (although he's been forced to hold off on "privatizing" the multi-billion pension plans, for at least a year).

[annabanana]

71. I think California may be getting a buyers remorse headache....

For some reason (maybe a doormat Kennedy wife?) they bought his "moderate" baloney..

Oh, and :toast: Welcome to DU!

[wryter2000]

92. Welcome to DU

:hi:

[Fire Walk With Me]

123. Thanks

Thanks for the welcomes!

I'm sure that if Bush invades Iran, he'll blame Iraq for it. Or something similar.

People in CA are already calling Arnold a bully. Sometimes those who fight bullies are mistaken for them, if you only see one side, but the Repubs are being pretty clear..

[tubbacheez]

34. Iran, Venezuela, Syria... they're all on Rove's list. n/t

[HeeBGBz]

35. What a load of stale horseshit

Did you check out the forum on that site?

Lame.

[donheld]

36. Big surprise

:grr::grr::grr::grr::grr::grr::grr::grr::grr::grr::grr::grr:

[CoffeeCat]

40. Can someone please explain where we'll get the troops for an Iran war?

Our troops are stretched thin because of Afghanistan and Iraq.

Where do these jerks think they're going to get more bodies to fight their new adventure in Iran?

Maybe they're planning on primarily carpet bombing and using bigger bombs to take out specific sites?

Anyone have any info on the military plans for this?

[LSK]

44. actually the troops dont have far to go

Just head east from Iraq and they are in Iran.

[berni_mccoy]

46. From the "Motherf******g D.R.A.F.T."

To quote this Flash animation: http://toccionline.kizash.com/films/1001/138/index.php

Either that, or they will just start using 'nukeyoohlar" weapons.

[Frederik]

116. Well, the last week

there's been a lot of talk about "things are going better", reducing the number of troops in Iraq etc.

[Melynn]

132. Won't need troops

If America gets hit with a WMD then BushCo will be free to "respond in kind" by using nukes. Not on the oil fields of course. Israel is going to part of this, too.

[nolabels]

151. They wont need too many troops at first, just lots of planes

The "lots of planes" they seem to have in abundance in the area at this time, if you haven't noticed(planes a Rummy specialty). Just the important build up to the important pretext is all they lack. The fishing expedition for that last piece is starting to reach full steam.

[Frederik]

162. They apparently

have two additional carrier groups heading for the Gulf now too, says Scott Ritter... it could just be scare tactics aimed at the Iranians though.

[NNN0LHI]

41. But there won't be no draft...so stop saying that n/t

[FreedomAngel82]

93. I think

there will be some form of draft. Bush made a campaign promise there will be no draft so he can't have one. So what's he going to do? Here's what I think. Pretty soon he'll declare victory in Iraq and have some staged event like the Saddam statue, move everybody to Iran once the oil is secured and they'll be there just as long as Iraq. Bush has never cleaned up any of his messes so he won't do this either. He'll leave this in rubbles as well. If he does have a draft I think he'll do it secretly and to where you won't know unless you get a warning from friends, places like DU, or it's too late to get out of it.

[nolabels]

139. Fit this into that thought somehow

April 13, 2005
US appears to have fought war for oil and lost it

By Ian Rutledge
The Financial Times
April 11 2005

Sir, Your recent report that oil prices have reached an all-time nominal high and that Goldman Sachs has suggested the possibility of a "super spike" in prices to as high as $105 per barrel ("Crude at all-time high despite Opec's efforts", April 5) should be of no surprise to anyone who has studied the informed opinions of US energy experts in the period leading up to the invasion of Iraq. Nor, for that matter, to anyone who has seen my own observations on future world oil prices in my recent book Addicted to Oil.
(snip)

So when, according to the former head of ExxonMobil's Gulf operations, "Iraqi exiles approached us saying, you can have our oil if we can get back in there", the Bush administration decided to use its overwhelming military might to create a pliant - and dependable - oil protectorate in the Middle East and achieve that essential "opening" of the Gulf oilfields.

But in the words of another US oil company executive, "it all turned out a lot more complicated than anyone had expected". Instead of the anticipated post-invasion rapid expansion of Iraqi production (an expectation of an additional 2m b/d entering the world market by now), the continuing violence of the insurgency has prevented Iraqi exports from even recovering to pre-invasion levels.

In short, the US apears to have fought a war for oil in the Middle East, and lost it. The consequences of that defeat are now plain for all to see.
(snip)
http://www.occupationwatch.org/analysis/archives/2005/04/us_appears_to_h.html

[Zynx]

42. "Assemble a nuke piece by piece?"

Uh, no, no, and hell no. If someone wants to set off a nuke in the US, I hope they try that.

That's one of those things that would *NEVER* work.

[libertypirate]

43. 180 degrees from reality...

This is how they do everything because no one knows where to look in order to stop them.

Evidence of WMD, Clear Skys, Healthy Forest, Leave no Child behind, we can go on all day...

Secure Borders -- Hard to convince people we have the need to go to war with out a security issue.

Gay Republicans -- A harem of closet cases at the top of the republican party, and they are against homosexuals.

War on Drugs -- To what effect, might as well be the war on sanity.

Here is another one, small government. They really don't want it because big government protects corruption it hides it and spreads it out. Creating new agencies in the system is creating new avenues to corrupt.

They have baited democrats into opposition possitions to keep up the status quo. It's very simple we have no idea what we stand for anymore because we stand for exactly the opposite of what we want. Which is exactly how you compell people to act against their own desires. It has gone so far that if I told you what I have read you would call me a nut, because Americans don't hold an accurate view of themselves.

On the first page of every journal which is about 6 a year for me I write these two things.

Assumption is the mother of all fuckups.

Assume only that you know nothing because everything will make more sense from there.

Both are about clarity, which is something we could use a lot of right now.

[FreedomAngel82]

98. So true

With the neocons they claim small government because they have to disguise themselves as republicans. If the real republicans knew the shit they were about they wouldn't vote for them. Hence why they talk about the Bible and Christianity so much. It's just a cover for who they really are and to get votes. Every once in a while they'll do something to please their little base like with the anti-abortion rally where Bush called in and gave some lame-ass speech and then Terri Schavio. Because of what happened with Terri Schavio and all the misinformation and people discovering the truth who are real republicans I wonder who will believe this Iran-nonsense. It's purely plays from Hitler's book. These people all had relatives who worked to help Hitler so of course they'd know this better than anybody. All they have to do is have the media make the people think of something else and they'll forget everything else that has happened. All the Terri Schavio lies, everything with Tom DeLay, all the Iraq WMD's lies etc. I wonder who besides democratic people remember all the WMD's lies anyways. All you have to do is tell people they're being attacked and they'll rally behind you to protect them. That's why no matter what Bush does people still rally behind him. They think he is a savior of some sorts and he can protect them since they've made the democrats out to be weak people by help with controlling the media.

[libertypirate]

102. They don't actually need a group behind them...

They already have created the perception that this country is more then half republican.

Perception is reality.

[murray hill farm]

45. We will not get away with it...the world is watching us now!

And watching very carefully! I don't doubt that Bushco believes that they can get away with it again...they believe they can do whatever they want to do..and no one will stop them...but truly...the world will not fall for this or allow this to happen again.

[DrDebug]

50. Who is going to stand up against it then?

The UN will not do anything about it; They are still licking their wounds from the last time. The Democratic Party is still licking their wounds from the 2004 election. France, Germany and Russia have no influence. The MSM is behaving perfectly nowadays.

So it's a home-run with one exception: Where are you going to the soldiers from? Hmm, it's time to close the window, it's getting ...

[Just Me]

108. "The people" are still their thermometer: "Are we manipulating that temp?"

It boggles every ounce of my mind and heart and soul that these people are so goddamn arrogant as to smash the rest of the world to serve their incredibly destructive and dark vision. If they are not the epitome of human evil,...I just don't know would serve as a substitute,...not even Hitler. They are willing to destroy ANY HUMAN BEING in their path compared to Hitler who chose a race. That makes them FAR MORE DESTRUCTIVE,...for what, for what? POWER.

[Melodybe]

51. Considering the ties to Russia and China, I'm betting that this won't fly

China own a majority of our debt, Russia has more nukes than us, the neo-cons would be fucking nuts to make this happen.

Oh yeah and Haliburton is trading with Iran!!!!! Stop giving them money to blow up our soldiers!!!

[FreedomAngel82]

99. Don't be so sure

These people don't give a rat's shit ass about what other people think and they've proven that. If they did they wouldn't have gone into Iraq in the first place or stayed there this long either. They don't give a damn. Since they have people supporting them and they control all the government here they can get away with it and will. The world won't fall for it but people here will. How else do you think Germans let Hitler get away with it? Now you know.

[IronLionZion]

52. They have the gall to put John Kerry's face in that ad!!!!

assholes

Kerry and other Dems wanted inspections in Iran, Bush is the asshole who wanted to attack Iraq and ignore Iran.

[mmonk]

54. The video is a bit sad

in that it is funny due to how obvious it is but will probably work well here.

[FreedomAngel82]

101. Of course

As Hitler did all you have to do is make the peace makers out to be the enemy and claim they don't care about your security and other people's freedoms. Exactly what they're doing. John Kerry is the poster boy for them for that since his Iraq vote and he ran against them in the last election. Never mind Bush lied to people. All they have to do is paint John Kerry to be the enemy. :(

[Fleshdancer]

59. Let's start taking bets:

So when the propoganda begins, how long will it take the freepers to blame 9/11 on Iran???

[TexasLawyer]

85. Already happened!

Here's just one report, from last year.

http://jcrue.blogspot.com/2004/01/iran-behind-911-attacks.html


Thursday, January 22, 2004

Iran behind the 9/11 attacks?
This could be a firestorm if true: Defector Links Iran to 9/11 Attacks

A national wire service and at least three major metropolitan dailies are chasing a breaking story that may confirm Iran's direct involvement in the attacks on the Pentagon and the World Trade Towers that killed thousands of Americans. The source of the story is defector Hamid Reza Zakeri, now newly surfaced in Europe to give court testimony, who handled security for the planning meetings with al-Qaeda. In early June, Insight was the first to report the Zakeri information , and to reveal that it dovetailed with a report on Iran's ties with al-Qaeda produced by the Defense Intelligence Agency and first reported by Insight in November 2001 .

Click here to read an updated report on Zakeri from the Chicago Tribune.
And imagine the convenience of having bases from which to address the problem just next door.

[Ian David]

62. The website says donations to this PAC are fully tax-deductible

How can THAT be??


Contributions or gifts to the Iran Freedom Foundation are fully deductible as charitable contributions for Federal income tax purposes.
https://www.iranfreedomfoundation.org/ccdonation.php

[mmonk]

65. They pretend they aren't connected

to our ruling party and pretend they are about nonpartisan information.

[Ian David]

68. The attack will take place on June 6th at 6:06 AM GMT

Because Bush thinks he is The Antichrist.
http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/rev/17.html

06/06/2005 0:06:06 GMT




George W Bush is the AntiChrist
Using Biblical and historical references, argues that President Bush is really the anti-Christ.
http://www.bushisantichrist.com

[thinkingwoman]

70. was there ever in a doubt?

I have a bet going with a repub friend of mine (yes, I know, but I've turned her from always voting straight ticket repub to voting for kerry against bush last time so I'm working on her) that we will go to war with Iran next.

I made this bet with her last summer and she scoffed, said Iraq would be it. I told her to watch and wait, that we needed Iran to complete the pipeline from Afghanistan through Iraq and that then we'd need to take Syria.

She laughed, asked why I thought so. I told her it was clearly a neocon goal and to bank on it.

If I'm right, she will never vote repub again. This I know.

[FreedomAngel82]

103. At least that'll happen from this nonsense

Let us know your friends reaction. Show her the post and how they're already preparing ads.

[thinkingwoman]

115. will do, and

next time I'll try to use something resembling proper grammar in my subject line.

And I haven't even started drinking yet!

After I finish converting my friend, I'm going to start working on her hubby--Mr. "I don't read much and I don't pay attention to politics but W is gonna keep us safe." Ugh.

[smoogatz]

72. According to Sy Hersh

The plan is not to invade, but to bomb selected nuclear and military sites. The neocon geniuses believe the bombings will fan the flames of long-suppressed longing for liberty in the military and among the people, resulting in a military coup/popular uprising that will unseat the hated mullahs (or as W calls them, the moolahs). Has Sy Hersh ever been wrong? I don't think so.

[FreedomAngel82]

104. I could see that

That I could see. Majority of the troops are in Iraq and Afghanstain. I know someone from high school who is in the military and he's not in those places thank goodness. But they're all over the place. Bush can't have a draft so they'll have to do something. I wonder if they'll use the napalm.

[Gasping4Truth]

141. Hersh was wrong once, IMO

I believe most of his claims, including the ones about Iran. But I never really understood why he keeps claiming that the Iraq invasion was not about oil, nor about Israel.

According to Hersh, it's about an idea of utopia in the heads of the neocons. All fair and well, but IMO it's no coincidence that this utopia idea brought Iraq into their cross-hairs (a nation sitting on top of a huge oil well) and not, say, North Korea (a dictatorship that actually has WMDs).

[Swamp Rat]

74. Are they ready to begin the "Depopulation of Earth Program?"

[Nostradammit]

136. Swamp Rat, you are gettin' really good with that artwork

I kinda almost hope you don't get much better - you're already freaking me out!

[Swamp Rat]

137. Thank you

... for calling it art. I'm really just a photo vandal.:D

[Nostradammit]

138. Oh, it's art - make no mistake. n/t

[lovuian]

76. Scott Ritter said June was the month!!!

the same guy who said there are no WMD!!!

[da_chimperor]

82. We'll see if it's two for two.

:shrug:

[FreedomAngel82]

80. Something that boggles my mind

is why is it that the only people who believe this crap are republicans who live in the south who are more than likely to never be hit? Why is it that New Yorkers and people in Pennsylvania see through the bullshit? I know PA was hardly blue but still. New York knows terror better than anybody and they see through the lines. I just don't fucking get it! :banghead: And how does Bush expect to do this when no other country is sending in troops and all of ours are in Iraq? Nobody trust's him anymore. They see through his shit. This is just fucked up.

[oxbow]

118. Not as many minorities in the heartland

those people are much more insulated from the rest of the world by us coastal states. Their reality is much different from us in the coasts, who have much more cosmopolitan vp's because of that

[FloridaPat]

128. But no one is doing anything about it. As long as the bully can get

away with it, he'll still be a bully. Who's going to stop him? Yes, there is a list. I wonder if they will cross the line if Bush does. It's scary. Because if Bushco has the nerve to hit NY and then attack Iran, the rest of the world could finish off other cities. This could be the start of all those nuclear wars we had nightmares about for the lat 60 years.

[kk897]

84. Direct tie-in with GOPUSA.org, Talon, etc.!

The Iran Freedom Foundation whois showed they were with Network Solutions, right?



Here's from an interesting post on a blog, http://www.leadpencil.net/blog/archives/000237.html, back when the Gannon investigation was still hot:

I wrote to Network Solutions, which is the registrar for gopusa.com, talonnews.com, and EndeavorMediaGroup.com telling them that the info was bogus.

They wrote back:

Thank you for contacting Network Solutions.

The issue that you reported was escalated and was assigned the Service Request Number 1-187976580.  We will be contacting the current registrar of the domain name to verify if the information is still valid.


The whois info has also changed:


Registrant:
Endeavor Media Group, LLC 
ATTN: GOPUSA.COM
c/o Network Solutions
P.O. Box 447
Herndon, VA 20172-0447
Phone: [phone]


Domain Name: GOPUSA.COM

Administrative Contact :
Endeavor Media Group, LLC 
[email protected]

ATTN: GOPUSA.COM
c/o Network Solutions
P.O. Box 447
Herndon, VA 20172-0447
Phone: [phone]
  
Technical Contact :
Endeavor Media Group, LLC 
[email protected]

ATTN: GOPUSA.COM
c/o Network Solutions
P.O. Box 447
Herndon, VA 20172-0447
Phone: [phone]

Record expires on 27-Sep-2007
Record created on 27-Sep-1999
Database last updated on 17-Feb-2005

It's basically the same for all three domains. I am hoping this is just a temporary by NetworkSolutions until they get a response from "Endeavor". Keep an eye on it.
Posted by: Johnny at February 17, 2005 08:49 PM

Sorry if this violates the publication rule, but I'm not sure if addresses are paragraphs. I'm sure NetworkSolutions is a big place, but it does seem a wee bit coincidental that all of these rightie sites are on it.

[kk897]

106. Network Solutions is baaaaad.

Look here, at the Better Business Bureau report:

http://www.dc.bbb.org/report.html?national=Y&compid=7002368

"Customer Experience
Based on BBB files, this company has an unsatisfactory record with the Bureau due to unanswered complaints. The company resolved most of the customer complaints presented to it by the Bureau, however, some answered complaints remain unresolved in our files. The company has responded to complaints by explaining business practices or correcting service issues. In some cases, a refund or credit was issued. Other complaints are unanswered.

Additional File Information
According to information provded by the company, Network Solutions is an autonomous business unit of Verisign, Inc."

When you google their phone number, you come up with scads of spam stories, rip-off tales...the company they keep is baaaad, too.

Here's a weird thing: their phone number, [phone], is also the phone number in the BBB database for Sand Hill Enterprises, LLC. When you go to the website, it's a distance learning operation for corporations, or so it says. There's very little info, and the BBB itself says it's looking for more info on the company. Weirder still--it purports to be located in my city, Columbus! Yet the BBB info is a PO Box in Herndon, VA, just like Network Solutions:

http://search.bbb.org/results.html

So, I got my husband to call Sand Hill's supposed contact number (I was too chicken). It was some guy's cell phone, all garbled with noise. Definitely not a company trying to keep up a corporate image.

All very creepy, but then, I'm one of these: :tinfoilhat:

[seemunkee]

124. Your way off

Network solutions is probably the biggest registrar in the country. everbody I know uses them and my company uses them. Just because someone registers through them doesn't make them suspicious.

[Astarho]

86. Another piece of the puzzle

Where I work we sometimes order merchandise from GE. In Feb 2003 (a month before the Iraq War started), they offered us a good deal, a cheap price and they paid shipping and we got about twenty pallets of merchandise. This wasn't new stuff either, dusty old boxes that had been sitting around in a warehouse since 1995.

Over the past few years they've been kind of tight, not sending us much and saying they weren't making as much anymore.

Then about a week or two ago, I heard they were sending us 25 (at least) pallets at a price my boss couldn't refuse, and it should be arriving any day now. I'm willing to bet this will be dusty old shit too.

This tells me that they needed the space and what's a few thousand dollars lost selling it to us, when the millions they'll get in military and reconstruction contracts will more than make up for it. Last I checked, GE was the 9th largest weapons manufacturer in the country.

Things that make you go hmm.

[TexasLawyer]

87. The coming smear campaigns

The Iran Freedom site asks people to "Help us investigate". They tip their hand on some of their future activities.

Those "Iranian-kool-aid drinking, pansy-assed, treasonous Democrats" are going to try to stop this war. So they need a good smearing in the press.


http://www.iranfreedomfoundation.org/default.php?page_id=28

Dr. Jerome Corsi's new book Atomic Iran outlines how American politicians, journalists and educators are supporting the goals of the mullahs' regime, but much more work remains to be done. We plan to publish a series of articles exposing this hidden network, and we welcome your help in developing new leads and connecting the dots.

[Dave Reynolds]

91. Oh no.

Now Boosh is going to save us from the "moolahs".

[mmonk]

94. Which ones

theirs or ours?

[Dave Reynolds]

110. Theirs, of course.

He is going to feed us sinners to ours.

[in_cog_ni_to]

100. Not this time. The public already knows they're LIARS.

Public opinion will sway our way. They won't get away with it.

[FreedomAngel82]

107. Don't be so sure

Again people still believe him. They're trying to get the media to cover other things besides what's really going on to make people forget. They'll tell us some new "great threat" is after us and do the whole thing again. Of course your average faux watcher and O'Reilly listener will believe them and there you go.

[spanone]

109. Why not? It worked before.

[Individualist]

111. Why are you surprised?

[Just Me]

112. Not a surprise. More like a "HOW MUCH MORE PROOF DO YOU NEED,...

,...before you will finally believe what we have been warning you about?"

We are WAY past a "preponderance of the evidence" and even "shadow of a doubt" that these neoCONs fuckers will betray/deceive/abuse the American people in order to achieve their personal goals,...in spite of people, in spite of laws, in spite of "democracy".

How much proof does it take to demonstrate the evils of the neoCONs and their supporters?

Definitely a HELLUVA lot more than a common wo/man whose breached the most minor of offenses against humanity.

[Individualist]

125. I was responding to the OP

who stated: "I can't believe I see this with my own eyes." Anyone familiar with PNAC knows another attack was inevitable. The only question many of us had was whether it would be Iran or Syria. Now we know and can only wonder who the madmen will attack next.

[Alpharetta]

113. They don't want to bomb Iran. They're bombing us

with propaganda.

It's a setup. There are a lot of reasons we won't bomb Iran:
- they have closer economic ties to Europe and Russia. Europe and Russia wouldn't let us get away with it
- Iran is better defended

The propaganda campaign these Swiftboat folks are doing serves a different purpose. Hitler needed an enemy. He needed fear. He needed outrage at atrocities.

The propaganda campaign is simply a weapon to keep PNAC etc. in power.

[Vox_Reason]

114. This will be the 2006 distraction, just as Iraq was in 2002

The whole reason we went into Iraq was to influence the 2002 mid-terms. Iran (or maybe Syria) is a very convenient candidate to do the 2006 honors.

Look at the record--the ONLY time *'s approval ratings have gone up is close to the time of military action. Otherwise, his numbers track steadily and predictably downward.

Karl Rove realizes that he needs an attack or a war to rig the 2006 elections. Whatever it takes to make that happen, he will do--no matter how many people die, or where they happen to live, be it in the middle east or in the middle west of the US.

Make no mistake--some military question will be the central issue of the 2006 elections, because the BFEE will set it up that way. Iran and Syria are the obvious leading candidates at this point.

I have less respect for * supporters every day...

[agincourt]

131. You are quite right,

Bush-Rove-Cheney are complete clowns without the US military killing "evil ones". They are nothing without the US military doing their work.

[FreedomAngel82]

144. I bet you're right

I bet you're right. On AAR news the guy is saying how Rumsfeld is meeting with Iraq officials. Sounds like they're going to probably plan a pull out and declare victory.

[Frederik]

117. From the site

"Gen. Zol-Qadr, deputy head Iranian Revolutionary Guards: The events in the Middle East in the past two or three years - the two wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, which border with Iran – were a great opportunity for us to get to know the American methods, strategies, doctrines, and tactics. the Americans are our greatest security challenge. Thus, we have been able to prepare for a confrontation with the American threat. Today, thank God, we can say the armed forces in our country are totally familiar with the American modus operandi. In the past the American army was an unknown black box to us. Today, we are completely aware of its scope and are familiar with its tactics. We even know the American commanders' state of mind, and this is very influential in wars. Their behavioral patterns are well known to us, and this increases our maneuvering ability against the American threat. I can tell the Iranian public, with full confidence, that there is no threat that our armed forces cannot identify and confront with all their might."

Sounds like a cakewalk...

[Frederik]

119. Good speech by Rafsanjani

from their site as well. I suppose it's meant to show how crazy they are.

"The following are excerpts from a Friday sermon at Tehran University. The preacher is 'Ali Akbar Hashemi-Rafsanjani, the head of Iranian Expediency Council.

'Ali Akbar Hashemi-Rafsanjani: If Mr. Bush means what he says and is on the Iranian people's side, he should have joined your demonstration (marking the Islamic revolution) and should have chanted slogans along with you. Okay, I was just kidding. Obviously, he will not and should not come, but he can't take back his words anymore. If he is on your side, if he is on the (Iranian) people's side – it is the same people that filled the streets of Iran yesterday.

Two or three days ago, Channel 5 of the French TV aired a report on the aid the US provided Saddam during the eight years (of the Iran-Iraq war)… It's really shocking… It's disgraceful that America got itself into such a mess. The report mentioned that America had sent anthrax germs to Saddam on numerous occasions, so he could use them against Iran instead of chemical weapons, and that America had supplied the Iraqis with equipment and information for the manufacture of chemical weapons.

This democracy… The elections in Iraq were held despite the American opposition. It was the will of the Iraqi people and the religious authorities. (The elections) were the result of pressure by Ayatollah Sistani, by the Iraqi religious authorities, and by the fighting forces in Iraq on America. They left the US no choice but to allow the elections."

[oxbow]

120. I'm from Iran

I wonder if I could find a way to get into this organization, see what they're about and what they want to do

[FloridaPat]

129. I wonder if they even have any Iranians in it. If you get in and can

tell us, it would be interesting. Good luck.

[CoffeeCat]

142. You're from Iran? Can you please tell me...

Are there any people in Iran who understand that most of the American people do not want anyone in your country harmed?

Do most Iranians understand how Bush is detested by 50 percent of the populattion?

[enid602]

127. BRIC

Brazil, Russia, India and China formed the BRIC alliance last fall (not covered by MSM) with the idea of counter-balancing US power, and given their fear that another invasion of a petroleum-producing state would wreak havoc with their ability to buy petroleum on the world market. Both Venezuela AND Iran are currently gravitating toward the BRIC sphere. This is serious.

[Fire Walk With Me]

130. BRIC

"Bringing Democracy", being a simple resource grab, has caused huge responses such as this.. The old lines of power are shifting in unpredictable ways, but they'll be at minimum, cautious of expansionist USA.

[FreedomAngel82]

145. I think so too

This is what's different from Iraq. Nobody believes Bush's bullshit in the international community. Nobody will send their son's and daughters off to die in lies. Venezuela's president already told Bush to go fuck himself and leave them a lone. I wouldn't be surprised if they are teaming together to stop him. Somebody has to stop the bitch.

[Frederik]

163. Exactly

this has been severly downplayed, it's a very important development. China has signed an enormous liquified natural gas deal with Iran(worth $100 billion or something crazy like that), the Russians have forged ever closer ties with them (they built the Bushehr reactor, after all), both have been selling weapons to them... If the crazies go through with this, the international situation is going to be really, really tense.

For 30 years, some prescient people have been talking about the energy wars of the future. Welcome to the future...

[enid602]

166. BRIC

What I really cannot believe is how the press has failed to cover this international reallignment which is taking place behind our back.

[Chomskyite]

133. They're all rallying around it arent they?

I wasn't so sure Scott Ritter was the hat to hang this belief on, that we're invading Iran next, but this damn sure is. Watch what the enemy is doing IN YOUR SIGHT. Easiest predictor there is.

[Norquist Nemesis]

153. Ritter was correct! Check out their ACTION PLAN

http://www.iranfreedomfoundation.org/default.php?page_id=4

The PR campaign is in play now.

Ummm...anyone know the whereabouts of Karen Hughes?

[Frederik]

164. Hmmm...

"Support efforts to make the June 17, 2005 presidential election a day of massive protest against the mullahs' illegitimate regime. The IFF supports an internationally monitored referendum that will allow Iranians to determine their type of government, and the future of their nation."

Ah, caramba. If they, as I suspect, are planning for a rerun of the war on Serbia and the subsequent popular uprising that ousted Milosevic, they are probably planning for a bombing campaign before the presidential election/"internationally monitored referendum". Or alternatively an ultimatum about free and fair elections and then bombing afterwards when they "conclude" that the elections weren't free and fair. Hope I'm dead wrong on this.

And I have a bridge in Brooklyn for anyone who believe that strategy will work. They'll be sucked into a very bloody ground war which will also be waged in Iraq and Afghanistan. What an enlightened collection of people.

[newportdadde]

152. Link for which cities this is going to air in?

Any link or idea of what cities this is going to play in, I didn't see anything on the site.

[Stephanie]

154. LEAVE NEW YORK ALONE!

Goddamn I am sick of being the target of every BushCO threat. STOP IT! This is an OUTRAGE.

[Beetwasher]

159. I Know, I'm With You, I Take This As A 100% Bushco. Threat Against NY

I can hear Cheney saying "You know, it would be a damn shame if a nuclear bomb went off in NY. Damn shame."

[paineinthearse]

165. Corsi is well known to DU'ers...see this thread in the Mass forum

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=158&topic_id=2676&mesg_id=2676

In February, Corsi announced plans to move from NJ to Massachusetts in order to run for the Senate. We're waiting.

[enid602]

167. Iran invasion

Hmmmm. How much do we know about iranfreedomfoundation.org or iranfree.org. Do they have lobbyists in Washington who push for an invasion scenario, mush as Iraqi American groups did in the past? Will they be a willing partner for Bushco? I do know that LA has more Iranians than any city outside Iran, and it was said that last year's million+ person protest in Tehran was lead by a California disc jockey. I can't believe that Iranian-Americans I know would support a US invasion. Sure, they want their country to be freed of theocracy, but I can't imagine they would want their homeland subjected to the type of warfare that Iraq has experienced. Any input from Iranian-Americans out there?