Another question about Schaivo.

[coloradodem2005]

Some account from someone on imdb.com. Yes, it should be taken with a grain of salt, but I am willing to entertain most questions when it comes to just about anything, so I am playing devil's advocate:

"Several nurses who have cared for Terri over the years have said the husband would callously ask, "When is that b---- going to die?" Also, X-rays showed that Terri somehow had a broken back and a broken femur about 18 months after her initial collapse, according to her brother and father. It has never been explained or even investigated how Terri got injured."

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0005004/board/thread/16962358?d=16994508#16994508

[Floogeldy]

1. Her husband and the judges have been engaged in a conspiracy

To cover up the true facts.

I know it is true, because Hannity said so.

[coloradodem2005]

3. Oh.

It was on Hannity? Then it must be true.

[LisaL]

2. Lies. All lies. Michel Schiavo is a saintly man. If anything bad is

said about him, it's a lie.

[PittLib]

8. About face ...

or blatant sarcasm?

[LisaL]

10. What do you think? He is a saint, I tell you, a saint.

Nobody could wish for a more devoted husband. All the time he spend taking care of his vegetative wife-and still he found a time to date, and raise his kids. Not only that, he became a nurse so he can take care of his vegetative wife for the rest of his life. I only wonder why he hasn't grown wings yet.

[PittLib]

11. Gosh ...

I hope you find the root of your bitterness or at least a clue.

[deadparrot]

4. It kind of defies common sense, doesn't it?

Let's assume for a moment that Mr. Schiavo really does mean to murder his wife. Do you honestly think he would openly walk up to a nurse and say, "When is that bitch going to die?" I'd like to hope he's be a bit less blunt.

[hinachan]

12. I have grave concerns about Michael S.

There are records proving that:

* When the paramedics arrived to treat Terri, they called the police because they thought there had been foul play.

* Some time ago, before any court order to remove the feeding tube, two nurses were fired after complaining that Michael had threatened to sue the hospital because these nurses objected to how Michael was treating his wife, right there in the hospital.

* When he found Terri with a washcloth in her hand, Michael went ballistic, claiming it was "therapy" and ordering it stopped immediately

* There are new tests now, which could determine whether or not she's really in a persistent vegetative state...but Michael doesn't want to allow that testing to be done. Without a proper diagnosis, how can her wishes be carried out at all?

I don't have time to list all the other suspicious behavior on his part, but let's just say he certainly seems like someone who wants her to die, because he fears she'll "wake up" and reveal what really happened, that day when the paramedics called the police.

Don't get me wrong, I'm all for the right to die if that's what you want. But when there are all these suspicious circumstances, I think the feeding tube should be put back, and a real investigation should be done. All this information has been kept out of the courtroom when the various judges ruled on the case, but this is information that needs to be examined before one can determine Michael's true motives.

Finally, many members of my family have been in the medical field since the 1970's, up to and including working for the Mayo Clinic. Also, my grandmother was in a persistent vegetative state before she died, and let me tell you...Terri does NOT act like a typical PVS patient. Furthermore, even a doctor from the aforementioned Mayo Clinic is getting in on this, saying that he doesn't believe she's in a persistent vegetative state (and quite a few doctors now agree with this).

Until these questions are adequately answered, Terri's feeding tube shouldn't be removed. There needs to be an investigation first.

[LynneSin]

16. Great and what about that 5month old african american baby from Texas.....

.....that had his tubes riped out of him despite the mother asking otherwise. BTW, that was a law passed by Bush when he was governor.

If Terri was to recover it would have happened ages ago. Oddly enough I have friends and family members who have worked for some of the top hospitals too and suprisingly enough that doesn't make me qualified to make medical decisions based on what they know.

[Horse with no Name]

5. IF she had a previous broken back and broken femur

My guess would be that it was from child abuse when she was a baby or a toddler.
You can't walk with a broken femur and a broken back would certainly be something that would be pretty "uncomfortable", to say the least? If they are claiming now that it was done after her heart attack--would point to one of her caregivers dropping her or something of the like. However, if this were the case, would wonder why someone wouldn't pick up on the fact that if it were done post-injury, that it never bothered her. Hell, I had a herniated disk and thought I was gonna die. That lends more credibility to the diagnosis of PVS.
It is always possible that some of the broken bones--sternum, etc that they also claim were broken, were broken during CPR.
Also--these allegations were brought before the courts and the courts did not find the bone scan of any substance, so my guess, it's just another load of hog shit to stack next to the rest of the hog shit.

[MichaelHarris]

6. her husband

also blew up the refinery in Texas City to divert attention, unfortunately it didn't work, not enough people died to divert the MSM's attention from the Terri story. The right wing needs at least 500 people killed to report anything but God News.

[sandnsea]

7. google is your friend

Tired of these question about Schiavo threads that are nothing more than right wing bullshit.

Nothing personal.

[Princess Turandot]

9. Both a broken back and a broken femur require medication intervention..

when they occur. If the inference is that these occurred before she had her cardiac event, there would be treatment records. The femur is your thigh bone. You break it, you cannot walk. Ditto for a broken back.

If you mean that these breaks occurred after her cardiac event, they would likely be caused by the weakening of her bones combined with physical therapy, which manipulates people's bodies quite strenously.
When MDs do cardiac resuscitation on otherwise healthy people, it is quite common for them to crack a rib or two from the pressure they put on the chest.

Keep in mine that this woman was brought to a hospital emergency room when she collapsed. ED doctors don't just treat people: they are also on the look-out for foul play. When they suspect it, they call the cops. That did not happen. I trust the people who were there at the time, not pundits making claims years later.

They know why her heart stop. She was bulimic and screwing around with her nutrition. If you let the wrong chemical leave or build up in your body, the electrolyte charges needed to keep the heart pumpimg disappate and the heart stops. I believe in her case that her potassium was depleted, which can cause the above.

[LifeandDeath2]

13. This same nurse gave

this testimony in FL and Judge Greer said it was sensationalim, it ould've had to involve the whole hospice staff, tampa police and all physicins that saw here. He said her tetimony had "no semblace of credibility" It's in the court records

[Cooley Hurd]

14. Crazy-as-a-shithouse-rat Nurse Iyer has been debunked...

http://mediamatters.org/items/200503230001
<snip>
On March 22, both CNN's Live From... and Fox News' Fox and Friends aired interviews with Carla Sauer Iyer -- a former nurse for Terri Schiavo who in 2003 submitted an affidavit with inflammatory accusations against Terri's husband, Michael Schiavo -- but failed to report questions about Iyer's credibility. Judge George W. Greer, the Florida circuit judge who has presided over several aspects of the Schiavo case, dismissed Iyer's allegations as "incredible" and noted in a September 17, 2003, order that not even Terri Schiavo's parents sought her testimony in the case.

In both appearances, Iyer was presented as a former nurse for Terri Schiavo. Fox introduced her as a "registered nurse in Florida" who "cared for Terri for more than a year between '95 and 1996." In addition, on-screen text described Iyer as "Carla Sauer Iyer; Cared for Terri Schiavo." On CNN, Iyer was introduced as a "nurse who says that she cared for Terri Schiavo more than a year in the mid-1990s." As with Fox, CNN's on-screen text described Iyer as "Terri Schiavo's former nurse." Another on-screen text line presented on CNN stated that Iyer "testified about Terri Schiavo's physical state." However, according to Greer's September 2003 order, Schiavo's parents had not subpoenaed Iyer to testify.
</snip>

[LynneSin]

15. It's a movie website - worry about controversies about movies...

...and go to http://www.mediamatters.org to find out the truth of what is going on.

BTW, the nurse was basically deemed "nuts" by the judge who heard her testimony and she cared for Terri about 10 years ago.