Gannongate Wrinkles # 18

[understandinglife]

Previous thread, #17, is now well past 200, so I've requested the moderators to lock it. Here is the link:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x3249598


Wrinkles at Demopedia:
http://demopedia.democraticunderground.com/index.php/Gannongate_Wrinkles


Jeff Gannon at Demopedia:
http://demopedia.democraticunderground.com/index.php/Jeff_Gannon



Peace.

[BamaBecky]

1. The nose bugs me between Gannon and the 12 yr old Gosch.......

Little Johnny has a wide flat bridge at the top of his nose between his eyes. Gannon's nose has a tiny bridge at top and protrudes out a good bit. How could they be the same person? Do people change that much? I'm curious?

reposted...because they locked 17 the minute I posted this

[Fovea]

3. Break your nose 3 or 4 times in your teens

then get serious septal repair done at 20 or so, et voila.
My nose was thinner and straighter than my kid pics by a great deal afterwards.

[BamaBecky]

5. ok...n/t

[understandinglife]

4. Depends on which "Gannon" photo you compare, but an important...

....observation and thank you for making it.

If you go to the Gannon Wrinkles Demopedia page and scroll to the photo of "Gannon in T Shirt" and compare to "Gannon in suit," I think you may notice an interesting change in the shape of "Gannon's" nose. The "Gannon in suit" photo is more recent and compares well with several other recent photos.

I think "Gannon" either had some facial surgery in the interval, or it may be one of the clues supportive of the "more than one Gannon" hypothesis.

Peace.

[hiley]

6. noses change alot

because when I was young I had cute button nose now it is well, let's say not really small just like my Father's cherokee nose and most of my family.
My nephew had a cute little button nose and his now at 28 is even bigger than mine.

[libertypirate]

7. Features supported by cartilage....

grow our entire lives...

[zann725]

81. And Rhinoplasty is one of the most common, easist plastic surgery 'fixes'

If the nose is all that troubles us, that's minor. The biggest problem (I think) are the age differences between what Gosch should be now, and Gannon/Guckert's age.

Also, just curiously...those photos from Guckert's HS yearbook: Were they downloaded from a "High School Re-Union" website (which leaves open the possibility of some "photo-shopped" photos on-line if Gannon's true I.D. was indeed 'doctored' by CIA or whoever). OR, were the HS photos from an ACTUAL Coneaut alum HS yearbook?

[mordarlar]

99. They were from an actual school year book at the town's public library.

[Borgnine]

8. My nose has gotten wider as I reached adulthood.

I've never broken it or gotten any surgery done. I'm not sure if the changes between Gosch/Gannon (if they were the same guy or he was one of many Gannons) would fall under that, but it's within the realm of possibility.

[bush_is_wacko]

136. Totally off topic, but Wow, Dean was a hottie! n/t

[New Earth]

137. you aren't kidding!!!

that pic reminds me of someone i'd like to...................uh............


wooooo it's getting hot in here..................

[merh]

13. I saw your post in the wrinkle 17 and just wanted to give you

an attagirl for getting that link down pat! What a quick learner you are, you are becoming a DU grown up! :thumbsup:

I want to repost that email you linked here and ask you who is the author? I am not familiar with him but he claims to be in contact with Noreen.

Noreen Gosch still mum on 'Jeff Gannon'
Wed Mar 9, 2005 04:00
64.140.158.36

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: RE: Noreen Gosch still mum on 'Jeff Gannon'
Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 23:46:36 -0700
From: Michael F. Corbin [email protected]

I continue having frequent contact with Noreen on this matter.

She wants it to be completely understood that her position on this matter requires that she not confirm that Johnny is Gannon/Guckert only from the standpoint that she is not sure. Although she has commented that there are strong similarities, she is completely unsure, and does not wish to make a statement in the affirmative simply because of the magnitude of this situation. According to James Rothstein, Criminal Justice Specialist for A Closer Look, the only way to be absolutely positive is to analyze DNA of Mr. Gannon/Guckert.

We will provide important updates to this situation as matters warrant on the program.

Best regards,

Michael Corbin
Host
A Closer Look
http://www.4acloserlook.com

Edited to add link: http://disc.server.com/discussion.cgi?id=149495;article=77312;show_parent=1

[BamaBecky]

18. I'm not familiar with Michael Corbin, but we could research him...n/t

[merh]

21. If you go to the website for A Closer Look it gives a history

on the radio show that is now an internet broadcast.

ParaNet Continuum Radio Show Becomes A Closer Look
________________________________________________________________________________________
ACL airs Monday-Friday:
10:00 AM–Noon MST
Noon-2:00 p.m. EST
________________________________________________________________________________________

When ParaNet Continuum Radio Program began syndication in April 1994, it was designed to expand ParaNet's BBS as well as provide entertainment and an educational forum in which to scrutinize often-hyped UFO and paranormal phenomena. ParaNet broadcast from 1994 through May 1999. The topics that we covered included UFOs, alleged alien abductions, government cover-ups, hoaxes and frauds, future science and other interesting and unexplained phenomena. The ParaNet Continuum Radio Program rapidly became known as the "60 Minutes of UFOlogy". However, as the program grew in scope, so did the investigative task and the awareness of our responsibility to research and present information free of as much editorializing and personal bias as possible. To further compound the task, we at ParaNet had to find a balance between entertainment and yellow journalism, and telling the public what sometimes was neither easy nor entertaining. Yet, we found that niche. And, we did it very well.

During our years of research and investigation, we have become aware of the absence of in-depth treatment of the unexplained by the main stream media. No doubt, all of us have questioned at times just how much is left out of the news, and how the news has been fabricated to reflect various agendas as well as cover political intrigue. Every thinking person should question the assumption they are getting the "facts" and the "truth" from the major media outlets of television, radio and newspapers, and ask: am I getting the truth in what I see on the six o’clock news and read in the daily papers? Most of you will agree that at the very least, the major media does not delve into the specifics behind any of the news that they report. In by-gone days, and in limited markets today, reporters did on the ground investigations that often took months, even years, in order to write the news. In this way, news is history, and is a significant element in our decision making process. In the media age of the 21st century, most reporters are entertainers, or "talking heads", reporting news written from major wire services and limited interviews with the cause celeb of the moment. Public opinion is dictated by what a very small number of global news markets want to tell you. Furthermore, we are not the only group of people who have tracked the decline of media integrity-Noam Chomsky, Michael Parenti, Ben Bagdikian and others have documented this dire journalistic situation for decades.

Though we left the airwaves due to circumstances beyond our control, we continued our weekly broadcasts via the Internet for the last several years. Our determination to report the truth has never waned. It is with this sense of commitment to plumb the deeper meaning of current events that led us to take a closer look.

Beginning in May 2002, a closer look debuted via ABC Satellite Services. This program will take a hard look at the relationships of power and the dynamics at play between political, economic and even spiritual forces that control our lives each and ever day. a closer look will scratch away the layers on a variety of timely and controversial topics.

So, whatever you think you know, join us as we take A Closer Look.

http://www.4acloserlook.com/

[Sforza]

31. wait a second...

If Noreen met with Johnny in 1997 then she knows if Gannon is her son. Period. Sorry to say, I have my doubts that Johnny met her in 1997. When and where did she actually reveal having seen Johnny? Was it at Bonacci vs King? Perhaps Bonacci convinced her he knew Johnny was alive and part of the pedophile ring...and in return she witnessed for him...for money. Not trying to blame the victim, but I have yet to hear anyone suggest that Noreen is either lying or imagining things. And all manner of bizarre scenarios have been proposed. Also, is there real evidence connecting Spence and King? Also, I imagine the bastard (King) is out of jail. Where is he and what is he doing? Also, we need more details about the default judgement for Bonacci. Was there testimony first, or did the judge just award the money based on no response from King.

It may be that this is all a dead end, and we will just have to impeach bush for, you know, his war crimes and mass murder. That evidence is not nearly the stretch that Guckert equals Gosch is.

[troubleinwinter]

36. You said you read "all 18 parts"

It would seem that you over looked the answers to some of your questions.

Noreen testified under oath in court regarding the 1997 visit.

Why would you imply that Noreen "witnessed for him" "for money"??!

You seem to feel that we are wasting our time here on this subject, and feel we should work on impeachment issues of a different sort, however, you have only posted on THIS subject.

Perhaps you'd be more satisfied participating on threads relating to "impeach bush for, you know, his war crimes and mass murder".

[fooj]

68. Good eye...

Peace!

[bush_is_wacko]

135. Children do NOT develop a bridge per se until they reach puberty

The Gosch nose is a guesstimate at best. I used to fit kids for glasses. One of the biggest complaints of young children is that their glasses keep falling off their face and need to be pushed up constantly. The reason is that they have no formed bridge. The bridge starts to form dramatically at the age of puberty and by the time a kid is a teenager it is pretty well set. Gosch was NOT old enough to determine his bridge because he hadn't reached puberty yet when he was taken. The 12 year old photo is a rendition based on the bridges of his mother and father as models. The picture of Noreen Gosch, however, reveals that smaller bridge. I think that enhancement of Gosch as a twelve year old is far too swayed toward his father. My son is around the same age and right now, he looks MUCH more like me than his father.

[understandinglife]

2. Nashua Advocate: "New GOPUSA News Service, Cybercast News"

The Nashua Advocate has just posted:

New GOPUSA News Service, Cybercast News, Replaces Talon News; Now Embroiled in Scandal Over Flooding Google News With Identical Jeff Gannon Articles

By ADVOCATE STAFF

As our readership is undoubtedly aware, Google News is one of the primary news directories utilized by online-only conservative, moderate, progressive, and non-partisan media outlets. Talon News, prior to its implosion over the Gannongate scandal, was one of hundreds of online-only media outlets which might have expected to receive additional attention from the public via a listing in Google News.

Now, the new "news service" client being contracted with by GOPUSA.com, Cybercast News Service (CNS), has found itself embroiled in a scandal just days after replacing the controversial Talon News Service for which now-disgraced "reporter" Jeff Gannon was a writer.

(more at link): http://nashuaadvocate.blogspot.com/2005/03/new-gopusa-news-service-cybercast-news.html

Peace

[nashuaadvocate]

9. And now we've just added another new story--

--which you can find discussed in this DU thread.

The News Editor
The Nashua Advocate

[troubleinwinter]

10. Just had a phone conversation with a friend of 25 years.

His father (passed away) was an 'ops', and an old room-mate of HST in the early 60's. A rather well-known person, in certain circles.

We reminisced about some old fascinating "stuff".

I mentioned Gannon/Guckert. Friend is not on the internet and only has a glimmer of the news of him. I filled him in on some pertinent stuff. He said it smacks of 'ops' to him. He thinks the porn stuff is BS cover.

Friend is a major conspiracy theorist-type (hahaha!!!) and knew much of HST (good ol' stories) from his dad, and I asked his 'take' on the suicide.

My friend's idea is that it was not a 'hit', nor a suicide. HST kept so many guns around, friend thinks the grandson (6) may have done it. The child "was in the next room", according to news accounts. Friend thinks HST's son may be covering for the child. Seems plausible to me.

Interesting to ponder, anyway.

[hiley]

11. you and liberty always make me

go hmm ! Then for hours I can't get it out of my mind. How interesting but I hope not so about the grandson ? To much for a little one to grasp.

edit to acknowledge understandinglife makes me go hmm ! too.

[troubleinwinter]

12. It was a fascinating conversation

He had told me bunches of this stuff some years ago, but I didn't pay a lot of attention then. NOW some of it is interesting to me.

But I will say that the connection between Friend's dad (a known writer and unknown ops) and HST was here near where I live, right near Bohemian Grove.

Crazy, but likely meaningless to our subject here... just one of them things.

...

I was typing some stuff that I probly shouldn't. I am gonna send some stuff to Will, to see if he finds it interesting at all. And ways for him to confirm it.

Nothing at all earth-shaking. Just some stuff that might be of interest to him.

[hiley]

15. pitt ?

if so, he is pretty good at investigating from what all I have been reading. did you catch his thread earlier ?

[troubleinwinter]

17. Of course, pitt! Thay aint but one real 'will'!!!

[troubleinwinter]

20. Well, there is nothing to say that it was the grandson...

it was just a theory by the son of an old pal of HST, who knew him to keep piles of guns.

But it kinda makes some sense. Lotsa guns around... the 'suicide' seems a little unlikely, since he was on the phone with his wife & asked her to come home & help with the day's article. The child was in the home, "in the next room".

If this is what happened, I can't blame the family for keeping the child out of it.

[hiley]

22. with that theory I

would not blame the family for protecting the child either. So many possible scenario's' with HST and well, all of this.

[bush_is_wacko]

144. Just a suggestion on HST

research his WIFE please. They were only married 18 months. Many of HST's friends and neighbors claim they were "soul mates", very close and HST was "ecstatic" over the marriage. Why does someone that is so happy kill himself 18 months into the marriage to the love of his life? The Rocky Mountain News has run a few stories about his death and on this past Monday March 7, 2005 about his "funeral." No body. He's been cremated. I haven't seen any autopsy results. The "closed door funeral" was attended by one small time reporter, who was invited and a host of "Hollywood" types and other famous people that were not named in great detail. They all stood up on a podium next to a cardboard cutout of HST and read his works while drinking heavily.

Check out the Hollywood types. They have recently made some VERY strange movies. I don't know if they apply to this HST connection, but the movies left me with a creepy feeling as have a lot of recent movies. Anyone notice a tendency in Hollywood toward movies that relate to missing people, cloning, programming, type stuff? I mention this because MM made a comment just after the election to the effect that Americans should turn to Hollywood for direction. The statement seems very "tinfoil hat-ish" to me.

HST is a hell of a unique individual and I'm not sure he wouldn't be past a staging to go into "deep" cover. He has some very powerful friends that could easily help him accomplish this task.

[fooj]

189. You are the first person who has referred to the "Hollywood"

comment that I've run across...thought I had lost my mind! Didn't he ALSO say something to the effect of...Things might not appear the way they seem? I vaguely remember a comment being made that eluded to a "non-reality" zone.


Peace!

[fooj]

24. Hey, what about me?

I joke.

Peace!

[hiley]

35. I am sorry fooj !

Had a feeling I was leaving someone out that was really important. And I am not joking, either.
There are a few other people that make me go hmm !
Quite a few thought provoking posters in fact on DU.

[St. Benedict]

42. You guys crack me up...

you won't even consider the possibility that this is actually Gannon getting his pate rubbed by George Bush and you'll give me a hard time for researching who the man in the picture is - BUT - you'll speculate that a six-year old murdered Hunter S. Thompson. :crazy:



P.S. The man in this photo IS NOT BLACK!

[New Earth]

43. i was thinking of a different photo

someone in another wrinkle thread posted a pic of Bush patting some bald guy on the head, and the poster thought it was Gannon.

As you know there are dozens of bald guys that Bush has petted :shrug:

The man in that photo is in NO way Gannon. It just doesn't even look like him at all.

And what do you mean by 'you guys'? If you are not participating in this thread to help gather info and compare photos (in a sensible manner) then what is your purpose in posting in this thread?

[hiley]

51. So many bald heads and bush

loves them all ! It is easy to mistake which patting or rubbing head someone is referring too.
Either pic doesn't really matter since neither one is Gannon, huh ?

The Wrinkles threads are so controversial and it just blows my mind because WTF, why does it matter to some if they don't like it there
are so many other places to read.

[hiley]

45. that is not Gannon either

he does not even look like him except for the BALD head !

And BTW all reference to grandchild was not speculation it was chat, okay !


((((((((it was just a theory by the son of an old pal of HST))))))))

speculation not accusing just conversation, really.

[troubleinwinter]

46. Yep, we are a crack up.

You did not suggest that the possibility be considered, you pronounched as fact that the picture is Gannon, without backup.

It is curious to me that there are some folks who have never posted on ANY SUBJECT except Gannon, are so fascinated by this series of threads, make pronouncements (that a picture IS Gannon) and ridicule us if we don't take the pronouncements as absolute fact.

Yes, there was a mention of speculation that a six year old may have accidentally shot HST. Nobody said that he "murdered" him. It was also stated that it was pure speculation. What exact information do you have? If you reject this idea, fine. But it is rude to give rolly eyes directed at posters here.

[merh]

56. Gannon's nose is not that pointy and his ears are totally

different. Most people try to back up the photos they post with information as to the source. This photo has been debunked in the forums well before the wrinkles thread began.

[St. Benedict]

67. source proof

Please see Post #54 for the info on the source of the Bush patting bald head photo.

[troubleinwinter]

111. That photo is NOT in the article you link to.

[bush_is_wacko]

I am actually sure THAT is one of the Gannon/Guckerts...

as Faye said, I think many people thought you were talking about another photo. One that is NOT Guckert/Gannon, but OBVIOUSLY a man of African American decent

NOTICE WHAT APPEARS TO BE A SCAR ON THIS GUCKERT/GANNON PHOTO NEAR HIS CHIN/CHEEK?

[merh]

14. SwampRat's image to help us find Gannon.

[hiley]

16. that is too much !

swamp rat makes me laugh at things that maybe I shouldn't. MAN WHORE ! and I especially like FAKE REPORTER and GOP MEDIA PLANT ! LOL!
look at the copy right lol !

[merh]

19. I know, isn't it wonderful!

SwampRat is a genius! :bounce:

[hiley]

23. yes, genius

and seems very good natured too. I was reading other threads and swamp rat was having a little of a hard time. On DU today it is like maybe Full Moon Time ! Little scuffs or misunderstandings all over. I hope it calms down.
When will Gannon appear anyhow ?
It is like he is hiding out or gone !
Really, who knows if it is him posting .

[fooj]

78. The natives are restless...

[ClayZ]

25. LOL...... Got Jeff?

Swamp Rat, your Graphics are Museum Quality!

[fooj]

27. You never disappoint us, Swamp Rat!!!

[Ferry Fey]

26. HST

The police papers in The Smoking Gun seem to be saying that the wound was consistent with sticking the gun in his mouth. Oddly, while the child is mentioned as having been there, there are no statements that they asked the child about the incident, or what his demeanor had been.

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/0307051thompson1.html

[Ferry Fey]

28. We don't know

Does this mean that Juan left the kid alone with Grand-dad's body, or took him out with him to fire the gun up into the air? either way it doesn't sound like great parenting to me.

[DemonFighterLives]

87. Thats what I was speculating

I don't see the child getting on the table to stick the gun in HST's mouth. It is either suicide or he was suicided in some fashion. His son also was acting weird if you ask me. Shooting in the air after a suicide, he should be looked at closely.

[Sforza]

29. my opinion

I have read all 18 parts. I wish Gannon was Gosch but sadly he is not, in my opinion. The high school pictures look like Gannon. I am sure they are...which means he ain't Johnny. The picture of Bush patting the bald guy's head is indeed Gannon. Also, it doesn't look like HST has anything to do with this. The only hope left to bring Bush down over this matter(that's the point isn't it)would be to prove that Bush and Gannon were doing the deed. And that can't be proven online. It takes investigation and knowing people in the WH. The photo analysis has been a gas, but has not yielded much at all, considering the effort. If we are looking for a gay connect to Bush, perhaps the Victor Ashe deal would be more fruitful (no pun intended).

[troubleinwinter]

32. Opinions are welcome.

Your OPINION "The picture of Bush patting the bald guy's head is indeed Gannon" is not backed up by anything. It's a bald guy. So what? Others who have been here spending a great deal of time on the issue are adamant that it is NOT Gannon, and you have not added any information to the debate.

It is not really said that HST has to do with this, it was a bit of a side subject that was brought up in these threads ages ago, and I posted some stuff in a merely conversational way.

Bringing down Bush is not the only point, finding the truth and the whole story is the point.

It certainly has not been "the point" "to prove that Bush and Gannon were doing the deed". Nor is "a gay connect to Bush".

This thread is not about Victor Ashe. It is about who and what Gannon/Guckert is.

If Victor Ashe is of particular interest to you, perhaps you might like to start a thread on the issue, or contribute some information.

[Sforza]

37. It is about who and what Gannon/Guckert is.

Right. Gannon is this guy named Guckert who is a Republican shill who has been a male prostitute. I think we all know that. For the thousands of posts we know little else. My point is this forum is unable to answer the only 2 significant questions: who brought him into the WH? And was he servicing anyone there? When we start debating if it is a sleave or a watch under the sweater of the teen Guckert, I think it is time for me to move on to greener threads. Peace

[troubleinwinter]

39. Peace!

:hi:

[New Earth]

40. SEEEEEEE ya!

:hi:

[hiley]

41. okay

"When we start debating if it is a sleave or a watch under the sweater of the teen Guckert"

then peace to you.

[fooj]

82. Well said. Thank you, trouble!

This is about TRUTH. This is about JUSTICE. This is about DOING THE RIGHT THING because it is, in fact, just that! The facts, as they present themselves, warrant further investigation. We would be remiss as decent human beings if we did not continue on this difficult, yet necessary journey.

Peace!

[New Earth]

33. um

that pic of Bush petting some bald guy's head is NOT Gannon. That man is an African American. We have been through that a million times.

I actually still believe Gannon may be Gosch and those High School pics are not Gannon.

But then again, i wear a permanent :tinfoilhat: with pride.

[fooj]

48. An open mind is a beautiful thing...

:smoke:

[zann725]

86. Could someone clarify: Were the HS pics taken from an ACTUAL yearbook?

Or were they acquired on-line from a High School Classmate info site? (The later COULD be subject to photo-shopping.)

[Catherine Vincent]

90. A yearbook from the school library.

[mordarlar]

101. No, they are from the public library. Just wanted to confirm. : )

[DemonFighterLives]

93. Go back about 2 threads

Mordarlar went to the town library and looked in the annuals.

[Catherine Vincent]

94. oops sorry

I thought she went to the actual school library.

[DemonFighterLives]

96. I think she said the librarian was getting too snippy

:scared: Maybe not snippy, but asking why.

[useyourhead]

34. Bush /Gannon pic

You've said this is just your opinion, but what makes you think the picture of Bush patting that guy's head is Gannon? It is NOT!
Look at the nose - totally different....can't it be determined who this is for sure, and at what event, and put this to rest?
It matters because a picture of Bush actually being this chummy with Gannon would be significant. So far, Bush has not claimed to be familiar with Gannon.

[St. Benedict]

54. On the bald guy whose head Bush is patting in this photo....

Yes, you're right - it's VERY significant. If this is, in fact, Gannon being so chummy with Bush, then somebody has a lot of explaining to do. This is why I keep posting and discussing this photo. It should NOT be dismissed.

It should actually be easy to determine who the man is in this photo and settle it once and for all.

As I already posted, this photo was taken on April 26, 2004 in Minnesota at a campaign stop for a $25,000 a plate luncheon. Bush was there for 4 hours. Here's the link to the story:

http://news.minnesota.publicradio.org/features/2004/04/26_zdechlikm_bushvisit/

And here is the link on the reporter, Mark Zdechlik, who both wrote the story AND took the picture.

http://news.minnesota.publicradio.org/tools/search/author/author_collection.php?id=78

Why don't you contact him yourself and ask him about that day?

I would think that for a $25,000 a plate luncheon that most of the people present would have been fairly big wigs locally, so Zdechlik should be able to easily identify ALL the people in that photo with Bush, not just the man getting his head rubbed.

[Catherine Vincent]

57. Okay St. Ben, that bald headed guy looks a little like Gannon

but since we have no proof of who it actually is, we'll just have to speculate. Look at this pic....the side view (profile)...is it similar to your bald head pic?



(ignore the woman next to him, she's your typical freakazoid freeper)

[St. Benedict]

63. that's the first new Gannon photo I've seen in awhile...

...where did you get it, and can you post the link please?

[Catherine Vincent]

72. That's a pic from freerepublic. Here's the link:

http://www.webshots.com/search?query=Jeff%20Gannon&new=1&source=webshotshome

There's also another one but you only see his head. And that is Gannon because the stud muffin used to post there.

[fooj]

83. Not a freekazoid freeper! Oh no!

:kick:

[useyourhead]

59. the commish....

Well, imo that guy in the picture looks less like Gannon than Michael Chiklis, so it's easy to dismiss it. I went to the story link you posted and still didn't find that picture, by the way.
I would like to put this to rest, so I'll continue looking into who this really is.

[St. Benedict]

62. thank you for the Michael Chiklis joke...

...I needed the laugh! ;0)

Seriously, please work on that bald head-patting photo and call the reporter!

[fooj]

97. How can we be sure it's not a "Game of Spin"?

You can reference the APR Website (Applied Public Relations School) and view all of the interesting curriculum available to aspiring journalists. Some of America's finest!

BTW- A.P.R. will "provide conservative movement with the vehicles to deliver their vision...to the American people." Game of Spin =Propaganda? Nice vision, isn't it?

Personally, I find it difficult to trust as of late. I'm not familiar with the integrity of Mr. Zdechlik's reporting so I can't comment on his credibility one way or the other. It would be irresponsible of me.

I respect that these photos are of immense importance to you, however, many here have explained the reasons why we are reasonably certain this is not Guckwhatever and you REFUSE to respect and accept that decision. Why? We have not judged you. Please feel free to model our behavior and refrain from judging us. Thanks and happy posting!

[St. Benedict]

127. Why don't you call Mark Zdechlik & talk to him about that day & the photos

n/t

[Catherine Vincent]

143. Why don't you call him?

Or did you talk to him already? What did he say?

[troubleinwinter]

148. Geez. Why don't you just give a proper link to your assertions?

[St. Benedict]

170. I already did!!

Please look at the link.

It says Mark Zdechlik was the one who took the pictures AND wrote the story!

Why on earth would you say reporters were not allowed there, when clearly Mark Zdechlik ( a reporter ) was THERE and snapping away with his camera??

[troubleinwinter]

175. You assert that the photo was taken at the fundraiser,

but have not given a link to the photo.

The photo is not in the article you link.

The article you link states: "Reporters were not allowed into the fundraiser,"

There is a photo of Bush at a different event.

If you want to assert that the photo is a photo of Gannon taken at the fund raising event, please provide a link.

[troubleinwinter]

176. I have provided a link to the REUTERS

photograph, by REUTERS/Larry Downing, identifying the man as MARK ANNOTTO.

It is in post #162.

[mordarlar]

102. I personally think that VERY WELL could be "Gannon"

Look at the ears. Pretty distinct. The shape of the back of his head is pretty dead on. there is a smooth shape to the back of his head. Most people show a distinct skull/neck dip. His is a smooth transition. In the top pic he is laying back so the neck is ONLY VERY SLIGHTLY more pronounced. This is normal for the position because below the skull has a greater amount of tissue. Regardless they are still VERY SIMILAR.

Lower lip is thicker. The upper lip is deceiving because there is some sort of shadow line. But there is a true lip line below this. It follows the thinning patter toward the corner just as Guckert's does.

Top and middle pic even show a similar jaw line. Nose is pulled up near his face by the unusual smile. If the smile was more relaxed, the nose, where it meets the face, would stay lower, preventing the hawkish shape. The line from his eyes to the top of his ears is at a similar angle. It would be helpful if the above picture was lightened. His eyes appear to be looking UP and OVER which would change the shape somewhat to a more open appearance.

It is also not a normal smile. But then again it is NOT normal circumstances. Not every American gets their scalp rubbed by His Fraudulancy.

[mordarlar]

104. I have just spent a considerable amount of time going over some photos...

and something jumped out at me. Is it my imagination or does the ear in the photo with bush look altered. Notice the distortion around the ear.



And I could be crazy but it appears, at a smaller size that there is something different about the ear than the rest of the picture. I swear it stands out. Almost like it has a different definition than the rest of the pic.



Another thing, I went and looked at some of the images on different sites of "Gannon" in the laying back shot. I larger pictures his ear shape is not accurately shown in the smaller pic i posted. I mis-spoke on the previous thread about the similarities of the ears in those pics. The other features do look similar to me though.

OK. Enough said. I am losing it.

[bear425]

110. Hi Mordarlar, no you are not losing it!

It is my opinion that if this is Gannon:



Then, this is not:



UNLESS: The ear has been photoshopped! The ear on the head patting photo is clearly more pointy and it does, indeed, look as if it's been altered. By whom is the question.

edit: spelling, of course.

[St. Benedict]

115. EARS... Mordarlar!!!

OH. MY. GOSH.

I just read your analysis of the ears in these photos. I popped the tape back in to look at Caggiano's ears in the film and THEY ARE THE SAME!!!

I am freaking out!

I have to get my camera and take some more photos of the screen to post...

...STAND BY!!

[troubleinwinter]

112. The article states

"Reporters were not allowed into the fundraiser"

How could Gannon be accompanying Bush to an event that reporters were not permitted to attend?

The photo is NOT in the article you link. It is not in the series of photos on the photographer's site, relating to the event you refer to.

There is nothing to indicate that this is Gannon, and it looks nothing like him.

[St. Benedict]

129. Call Marz Zdechlik and ask him - n/t

[troubleinwinter]

130. Why would I?

The picture is not in the article you link.

I do not find the picture in the photographer's site.

Your links do nothing to back up your assertions.

[DemonFighterLives]

141. I emailed him very early Saturday morning and have not gotten a reply

I'll let you know if I find out.

[St. Benedict]

169. Excellent!

What did you say in the email?

[DemonFighterLives]

179. I only told him that the picture was attributed to him

And wanted to know who the bald man was. Also: love your work. No phone number was listed and it appears that regular business hours will be needed to process the e-mail.

[Catherine Vincent]

145. But you see, Bulldog was special.

:-)

[troubleinwinter]

147. Well, he wasn't a reporter!

;-)

[hiley]

38. All pictures found so far

of Bush with bald men have been discussed and picked apart here, and at dkos,susang and many places that I have seen. Of course, your opinion is welcome here DU seems accepting of civil debate to me.

The truth is what all of this is about to me.

[ern]

44. jim/jeff

I've been following this gannongate thing for a while. I would like to add: Jeff Guckert (golfer) lives in fairview, Pa. High school Guckert lives in Conneaut, Pa., a stone throw away. Jeff Guckert (golfer) shows up in a year book (athletics) twice 1986 and 1987. What became of either Guckert. The nearest colleges in their areas are Mercyhurst or Gannon colleges.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

47. Gannon college? That's interesting. According to records James Guckert

went to West Chester University.

[ern]

53. If that's a fact

then he can not be Gosch.Does anyone know what became of Jeff Guckert the golfer. Also another thing that puzzles me is Guckert then known as Gannon appeared on or was taped for shows on radio KTSA in San Antonio at least a dozen times in 2003 and 2004.

[troubleinwinter]

134. You give no links for this information.

Jeff Gannon had a weekly one hour radio show on a conservative radio station "Rightalk", on Thursdays at 3:00. http://www.rightalk.com/

They are now playing "Best of Rightalk" in that slot.

I imagine it would not be surprising that the tapes were syndicated to a Texas station.

[ern]

156. The link to gannon

and his appearance on ktsa in san antonio in 2003 and 2004 is here:


http://199.249.170.220/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1000808600

[troubleinwinter]

158. Thanks for link. I remember the article now.

Phone interviews, I guess.

Love this comment from the radio producer: "I said, 'How do you have such great sources?' and he just laughed it off,"

[St. Benedict]

61. the yearbooks of James Guckert and Jeff Guckert

Very interesting that you point out that they are only a stone's throw away from each other in distance - although they are 12 years apart in time at those locations.


I have an explanation of what became of both high school Guckerts (1973-74 James and 1986-87 Jeff) and where they went. I am working on it, and will have a post soon, either tonight or tomorrow.

[zann725]

89. '86 and '87 would make him in the age-range to be Gosch (re-named)!

Also, isn't Coneaut a resort/tourist area?

[fooj]

30. I believe my post #126 was confusing on thread 17...

The quotes there aren't from me. I am quoting Cannonfire.com. I'm hoping (no offense intended) that it is HIS browser that is hijacked and not mine! I just found his entries to be of interest! Especially considering DU was referred to! Sorry about the confusion!

Peace!

[St. Benedict]

49. A new look at the cheek scar...

So, when we left off on the last thread someone was discussing how Noreen said Johnny Gosch had a small scar on his right cheek. And some people posted that they could see the scar in the closeup face photo of Johhny Gosch from his "missing flyer" as well as seeing the scar on the right cheek of Gannon from his website photo.

This afternoon I listened to Ted Gunderson's appearance on Alex Merklinger's show, and Gunderson said Johnny Gosch has a scar the size of a nickel on his right cheek (per Noreen). He also said Paul Bonacci said Gosch has a brand on his hip from his "handlers" but we can't verify that one!

Anyway, it got me thinking about the photos I took of Gabe Caggiano from the movie, "Radioland Murders." I decided to look at the tape again (it's a 5 day rental!) and sure enough, you can see a small scar in the same place on his right cheek as on Gosch in his photo and on Gannon in his photo! It freaked me out!

It is easy to see the scar in person when you are sitting in front of my TV because I have such a big screen - 43". So, I decided to try and take a picture again, and I sat as close as I could to the screen to try and pick up the scar with the camera. Here are the results:







You can see the scar is in the same place in all three photos.

[New Earth]

50. alright wtf

who started this Gabe shit and why? I keep seeing people posting about him.

HE DOES NOT LOOK LIKE GANNON!!!!!!!!


On a different note, i never noticed the scar on Gannon's face that is in the same place as on Gosch.

I"m telling you, i think my 'far fetched' theory is closer to the truth. :tinfoilhat:

[hiley]

55. You are right again

Gabe dude, is not Gannon and he doesn't look like him. Maybe, he favors him a little tiny bit but I have looked at those again from the previous thread and still feel it is not possible.
Your 'far fetched' theory doesn't feel 'far fetched' to me.
The scar thing is interesting, however.
I am really tired but the scar talk sounds familar has it not been covered here ?
Maybe, I am getting confused with the chest (birthmark).

[fooj]

69. In Thread 17...

there's blown up pics of Gabe Caggiano towards the end of the thread...I think it was St. Benedict who shared his info with us...shows a similiarity in appearance. FWIW.

[kittenpants]

52. now THAT is crazy... does that mean I have to catch up on

wrinkles 6-17 now? I've tuned out for a bit, but I'm back now.

[Catherine Vincent]

58. You don't have to if you don't want.

But if I were you, I would do it.;-)

[Borgnine]

100. Yes, that's freaky.

So many coincidences tie together Gosch and Gannon... wow. Great job with the comparison.

[mordarlar]

103. Although Gabe looks similar there is a distinct difference to his lips...

than the commonly known "Guckert". Guckert's sort of wedge down into the corners of his mouth. While Gabe's have a wider line to his upper lip. See how the top lip widens further from the center than Guckert's?

The same scar is incredible though.

[butchcjg]

60. Flower Bed Photos

Why are these photos on JeffGannon.com

http://images.google.com/images?q=site%3Awww.jeffgannon.com&hl=en&btnG=Google+Search

They are of flower beds. There are lots of cars in the background. Wondering if anyone can blow them up and see the license plate numbers, or any other info.

[Ferry Fey]

64. Okay, somebody's got to say it...

You can lead a horticulture, but you can't make him think!

:)

[St. Benedict]

65. Tree box photos...

These are on his website because he spoke of being a community activist doing improvements to his transitioning Capitol Hill neighborhood.

He also said on his conservative guy site that he drives a Nissan Pathfinder. I guess this would be it?

[butchcjg]

66. wish we had the license #

too bad there's no way to get that license #!!

or any on the cars around it.

would be too cool to find Ken Mehlman's or Scott McClellan license # parked outside of Gannon's flower boxes!

[Kingofalldems]

105. A question

Does he own or rent? Capital Hill is mighty expensive.

[butchcjg]

70. 700 Block

A cache of the webpage with the flower boxes lists the pictures as being from:

700 Block I Street Association SE
Streetscape Beautification Project
Completed July 9, 2004
Funded by a grant from Capitol Hill Community Foundation

IF the red nissan is gannon's, that means he was there. Who was he visiting and why? If it's his place, that means he lived on the 700 block of I Street...who else lives there?

[Catherine Vincent]

73. Nobody cares where Gannon lives.

Geeesh!

[butchcjg]

75. you might IF

If you discovered that Ken Mehlman, Scott McClellan, Ari, Rove, and on and on may have the same or similar address! Or if one of those cars out front is theirs!

Or, if there are other suspicious activities that we can find going on in that area and they could be linked to Gannon!

Hello, all this Johny Gosch stuff is total tinfoil hat material, yet you dont care where Gannon lives??

[Catherine Vincent]

88. "...yet you dont care where Gannon lives??"

Nope! But I do care if the guy is still around.

[bush_is_wacko]

155. Actually, I have been speculating for a while that this is a

Gannon/Guckert style set up. I think there are some clues in this picture that we are supposed to see or investigate.

I do believe Guckert is feeding some of this information. We know he reads all these forums. He has been taunting bloggers for quite some time. IMO, ANYTHING he puts out there ought to be investigated as a clue. What about looking up some of the key people we have identified and trying to place ownership to homes in this vicinity?

I think a call boy could afford this area ONLY if he had a "sugar daddy!" Let's apply the same method we do to call girls. LOTS of them have been set up by their "sugar daddies" with nice pads and healthy bank accounts. Follow the money? Seems to have worked for Kerry SEVERAL times, IMO!

Anyone else feel that way?

[St. Benedict]

167. Yes, he is definitely...

dropping information if you know where to look.

[fooj]

181. "...definitely dropping info if you know where to look"

St. B- Do YOU know where to look? What are we missing?

Peace!

[troubleinwinter]

142. Flower bed photos and Marine barracks

The smaller inset photo is one of the flower beds. The larger photo is from the freepers' demonstration in front of the Marine barracks at 8th & I. Check the white trim on the buildings and the row of windows on the top floor.

So Gannons "beautification project" was across the street from the Marine barracks.

Oh, Jeff, yer a riot!

[butchcjg]

149. Marine Barracks

ORRRRRRRRR....Gannon was living IN the barracks during the beautifation (July 04 he says on his site).

Which also means he had military connections during his white house stunt!

If he was in the military, he was on govt payroll...NOT a reporter!

[St. Benedict]

171. that's 8th & I ...

the famous Marine barracks where the Commandant lives. Gannon's project was only a block away on the 700 block.

[imaginary girl]

71. Just noticed this and thought I'd toss it into the ring ...

Q: Was Johnny's kidnapping a "random" act.

A: A witness saw Johnny being photographed on his way home from school, by a man, two weeks before the kidnapping. She reported it to police,with a license number, however, taking photos are not a crime. The police threw away the license number and no report was filed. Two weeks later Johnny was gone.

From http://www.johnnygosch.com/case_faqs.asp

May *possibly* lend some credence to the idea that JG was taken as a result of his appearance ... ( --> speculation, not fact <-- )

[butchcjg]

74. WHERE GANNON MIGHT HAVE LIVED

So...The flower box photos were on a page which listed the address as:

700 Block I Street South East (Eye St)

I did a google on that, and found this:



and this:


and this:


Which is part of the Townhomes on Capitol Hill, a mixed-income historical neighborhood. Looks like the flower boxes would fit in well there. The sidewalks are teh same and some of the buildings from the pictures on his site look the same.

The homepage for the townhomes is here:
http://www.thcapitolhill.com/thch.htm

If you look at the area map:


it's all in the 700 area block of eye st!
(confirmed this according to yahoo maps)

[butchcjg]

77. could this be his pathfinder?

[St. Benedict]

84. looks like the same pathfinder...

[fooj]

76. Most excellent! Wasn't aware of the police report prior to Johnny's

abduction! Wow. Great find! NGU!

Peace!

[butchcjg]

79. gosh

it was on the main johnny gosch page all along.
it wasnt that hard to find. i thought i saw it here before.

why is everyone here so caught up in the whole johnny gosch thing? other places have concluded it's not humanly possible.

why not focus on the actual jeffgannon/jamesguckert that we KNOW exists today and what HIS connections are to rove/bush/et al

[understandinglife]

92. "....other places have concluded it's not humanly possible."

Hi "butchcjg"; welcome to DU.

We're not even close to knowing enough about who "Gannon" is to know what "is humanly possible" and what isn't.

It's standard practice here that when some makes a comment like "other places have..." to post specific links.

And, I think almost all of us know what the important issues are regarding "Gannon" and we are not likely to forget any of them -- like the fact that we still have zero credible explanation of how "Gannon" spent 2+ years routinely entering the West Wing with a background as an operator of a web-based pornography business; access to confidential information on rather major national security issues like the time of launching an (illegal) war, the identity of a CIA NOC, and then other matters like plagiarizing reports, and more.

Peace.

[zann725]

91. Excellent point! If they were looking to 'dopple gang'...

n/t

[DemonFighterLives]

80. Finally caught up with the Wrinklers

I have not read all of 18 yet, but wanted to comment before being left in the dust.
Mordarlar, great work there going to the school. The photos kind of resemble Gannon, especially the one where the left eye looked lazy and was matched with one of Gannon that looked lazy. Funny now that the pic of Caggiano looks like he has a lazy left eye. What it all means, I don't know.
The other pictures comparing the scar on the right cheek of Gosch and Gannon really looked convincing.
The pictures with Bush are not Gannon. Maybe someone from MN. If I were bald and dubby did my head like that, I may smile curtly, but would never vote for him again. Well I would never vote for him anyway, but you get my drift. It is a terrible condescending thing to do and most would like to punch his lights out I'm sure.

You folks working all the angles here need to be applauded not ridiculed like some try from time to time. Also welcome to all the new posters. :hi: :dem:

[Catherine Vincent]

85. HI there!

:hi:

[DemonFighterLives]

95. Hi back!

I was just wondering. Didn't Conyers push for an investigation into this whole affair? The nonstream news never even mentions Gannon or Plame or anything. I do like the "Traveling Salesman" title that they are placing on dubya and his piratization plan. Oh, I suppose we should concentrate on Michael Jackson and his pajamas or the judge shooting(s).
Almost slipped into a rant there. A few days ago I thought we were beyond a Rovian trap, but that crazy bassturd still keeps us down.

[Catherine Vincent]

98. Yes, Conyers and also a Rep. Slaughter. Unless it was the same

investigation. I don't think the Dems can do much since they are the minority. They just don't have that loudmouth rabid camera hogging like the republicans did during the Clinton admn. Imo, Gannongate is simmering. It will blow eventually.:-)

I am getting :boring:. Will check back later my fellow GG wrinkle friends.;-)

[nonny]

106. Progress report on photos

First I want to say thank you ancient_nomad for that 1st post of yours.
Wrinkle 17 #132 --- info from a forensic artist

"A while back I came across a jfk site where a forensic artist
who works with the Houston police dept. did some analysis of
photos on "the three tramps" arrested the day of JFK's assass-
ination. I think it would help in analyzing the pictures mordalar
posted of JG. There are 8 pages and it takes awhile to load on
dial up, but well worth the time. Here is the link:"

http://jfkmurdersolved.com/lois1.htm

excellent!

I have been trying to compare ears but am frustrated in the low resolution pictures that I have.
When you select just the ear from a photo and then try to enlarge it to study --- sometimes there are just not enough pixils to see an ear.



I need more ears!
numbering the ears from left to right 1 - 8

1. jeffgannon.com
2. Underpants
3. Man in tux
4. Caggiano
5. Bush pats bald man
6. Smiling Gannon
7. Composit pic bottom left yellow
8. From Gannon Washington Right Talk (see photo below)

Understandinglife --- so far I have only the 1st compare of H.S. Guckert put together.



Here is the Jeff Gannon's Washington Right Talk.
I believed that his head looked so thin was because the picture size was changed without maintaining the same proportion. I think I have fixed it.



I need better quality photos -- if you find one email, or PM me.
Thanks

[understandinglife]

108. You are making solid progress. Thank you for all your efforts. (nt)

Peace.

[St. Benedict]

116. Nonny

See my post to Mordarlar just now.

THE EARS ARE THE SAME ON CAGGIANO IN THE FILM.

Going to take more pictures of the screen right now..

Stand by!

[Moosepoop]

123. St. Benedict

You have mail. :)

[St. Benedict]

138. Thank you Nonny ...

..for the ear analysis.

It is good to point out the ears, as ear shape is a completely unique feature on a person that cannot be changed.

I also like your observations on the shape of the back of his head and how it connects to his neck, so I tried to get some shots of that as well.

Here are the pictures I just took of Gabe Caggiano from "Radioland Murders."







Here is a comparison to the photo of Jeff Gannon on the street in front of the White House Correspondents Association dinner last May. I flipped it to match the direction of the film footage:



Edited to add:
I also tried to get a better photo of the scar and here it is:

[DemonFighterLives]

150. The ear of Caggiano and Gannon do not look alike to me

Caggiano is more alienlike(spock) and Gannons is very round.
And ears can be altered. A tractor did my R. ear at 16. when the doctor sewed it up, part of the earlobe was lost. He created a partial earlobe and cut some off of the other earlobe and tightened it to my head to make it resemble the R. ear. Glad to have it btw and I hear ya = didn't lose the hearing, though the cut was very deep.

[nonny]

154. Ear Compare for St. Ben

Left to right 1,2,3

1. Caggiano 2nd photo (goodear.jpg)
2. Caggiano 1st photo (earcloseup.jpg)
3. Gannon in tux WH (flipped)




The 3rd photo you took of the ear was too difficult to see.

[butchcjg]

161. Definitely NOT the same ear , N/T

[St. Benedict]

164. not the same ear...

The ear in the movie photos is Caggiano's LEFT ear.

The ear in the Gannon tux photo is his RIGHT ear. Flip it back to its original position.

There can be slight differences at birth between the two ears, left and right, on a person's head. Also can be differences between right and left due to injury.

Let's do a comparison of LEFT ear photos with LEFT ear photos, and RIGHT with RIGHT.

[troubleinwinter]

157. They appear nothing alike.

Caggiano has a hooked nose, Gannon has a straight nose. Caggiano has a full, curved, prominent upper lip. Gannon has a prominent lower lip. Caggiano has a nearly receding chin. Gannon has a prominent lower jaw. Caggiano has large ears, Gannon has very small ears.

I hope we can put this one to rest.

[nonny]

178. Profile compare for St. Ben

1st picture is Caggiano from St. Ben's 3rd photo
2nd picture is Gannon in tux (flipped) from St. Ben

[Andy_Stephenson]

107. Ted Gunderson speaks and confirms

Gannon on the blog IS Gosch

http://websrvr25ca.audiovideoweb.com/ca25web26000/archives_2005/MOM20050308.mp3

[understandinglife]

109. Good morning Andy. That is amazing information. I will try to ...

....listen to the broadcast later today and transcribe it if no one else has. I've got a meeting starting at 730am and finishing by ~ 11am PST and will try to get to it then.

Take care.

Peace.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

113. Thanks for posting this Andy! I listened to this last night as I

was browsing Mysteries Of The Mind.

Hi Andy!!! My thoughts have been with you!!! I hope you are doing better!!! :hi:

Now as to Gunderson: I must add, while Ted was speaking about it, Noreen Gosch was emailing Alex and not confirming and not denying.

Gunderson believes that Gosch/Gannon is going to spill the beans on everyone about everything.

Also at Mysteries of the Mind, there is an interview on the archives of an airing of March 4 an interview with Sherman Skolnick (he gets posted alot at Rense.com) who definitely is saying that Gannon is Gosch. He is also saying (no sources mind you) that Gannon has been with Bush in the Presidential living quarters of the White House, that Bush gave him the secret documents to out Valery Plame. Many other things that he is mentioning though without sources that makes me question his veracity. It is interesting though. Here is the link:
Windows Media Player:

http://interface.audiovideoweb.com/lnk/ca25win25003/archives_2004/MOM20050304.wma/play.asx

MP3 Stream http://www.freedomandtrust.com/mp3_metafiles/march_05/mar_04_05.m3u

[nonny]

114. Another link --Ted Gunderson: Gannon is Gosch

http://www.total411.info/2005/03/ex-fbi-gunderson-gannon-is-gosch.html

[DemonFighterLives]

117. Maybe the guessing game is over

Thanks Andy! I will listen when it downloads. hmm. hmm. Slow today.

[troubleinwinter]

118. Gunderson

I, personally, take Gunderson with a 'pillar' of salt.

He was a speaker to a group of enthusiasts gathered at Area 51, where he spoke about how 'they' are "creating creatures from our DNA". One of the participants took photos of invisible lizard creatures that were watching the gathering.

He associates with some very bad types. http://216.239.63.104/search?q=cache:BOfdywa-GSEJ:www.adelaideinstitute.org/2003TBRConference/tbr2.htm+ted+gunderson&hl=en

I had seen an anti-Jewish comment from him before.

If he turns out to be right about Johnny/Jeff, fine, but for now I do not take his word (or his "confidential source") for it. I think he is eccentric.

I don't argue with those who accept his word, I just choose not to.

[Andy_Stephenson]

119. Well I agree about the pi;;ar of salt...however

Noreen Gosch was emailing into the host as the show progressed. You really should listen to it befor dismissing it entirely out of hand.

[troubleinwinter]

120. OK!

I am surprised that you are that open minded about Gunderson.

I am listening to the radio program right now. But the host is just talking... no Ted or emails so far.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

124. Gunderson comes in a little before a half hour after the program starts.

[bear425]

121. Do you think anyone has warned him to stay under cover

no pun intended. I hope that if JG is Johnny Gosch he is smart enough to know this?!

[hiley]

125. Thanks Andy

for posting comments about Gunderson because I have been apprehensive about him. I still feel Gannon is Gosch, however.Am listening to this guy waiting for Gunderson to come on.
Glad to see you here this morning, BTW !

[St. Benedict]

131. Ted Gunerson said...

Yesterday I listened to Ted Gunderson's appearance on Alex Merklinger's show, and Gunderson said Johnny Gosch has a scar the size of a nickel on his right cheek (per Noreen).

That is why I went back to examine Caggiano in the film more closely. He definitely has the corresponding scar in the same location on his right cheek.

Please see post #49 for my photo comparison.

I am in the process of posting more photos.

[Clark2008]

132. Yep...just posting a follow up to this

Former Los Angeles FBI Special Agent in Charge Ted Gunderson, now a private investigator and author of "How to Find Anyone," appeared on the "Mysteries of the Mind" radio program March 8 and claimed that he has "a credible, reliable source" that says "Jeff Gannon" is indeed kidnapped Des Moines Iowa paperboy Johnny Gosch, as described in the "Franklin Coverup," an expose' of high level GOP Republican pedophilia.

Gunderson claimed that "Gannon" has scar on right cheek. Johnny's mother Noreen Gosch has looked at the mark on "Gannon" in photographs and said it was the same as that as on her son.

Gunderson says that a birthmark in the "shape of South America" appears to have been removed from Gannon's chest.

"I think Jeff Gannon is Johnny Gosch, and I think he planned this to get even with them for screwing up his life from age 12 on," said Gunderson.

Gunderson suspects Gannon's planned book, as reported by the Russian press, "will be truthful and he will expose these people.

http://www.conspiracyplanet.com/channel.cfm?channelid=2&contentid=1995

[St. Benedict]

133. Ted Gunderson also said...

Quote from Total411.ifo :

"Later in the program, host Alex Merklinger, a long time correspondent of Mrs. Gosch, received an email from Noreen Gosch wherein she said that "Jeff Gannon" is living in the Dupont Circle area of Washington, DC and is not in hiding. She asked Gunderson's opinion of "Gannon"'s safety."

This would correspond to Jeff Gannon living at the 700 block of I ("Eye") Street listed above in Post #74.

[Andy_Stephenson]

168. And it would also refer back to post one

wrinkle one...wherein I was told to examine Dupont Circle and the capitol city escorts.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=3144209


So we have come full circle...so to speak.

[fooj]

183. Hi Andy...just finished listening to Alex and Ted-Holy Crap!

Some pretty heavy stuff...:cry: :cry: :cry: Walked away with a heavy heart! Hey- did you catch the comment Gunderson made about the TVGuide being a REPRINT? Old issue-reprinted guide. Was wondering about that yearbook...

Hugs all around...:grouphug:

Peace!

[DemonFighterLives]

191. Not much new came out- did it?

The stuff with Gannon spending nights in the white house is neat, but I don't know if it is substantiated.
Wasn't there only one e-mail from Noreen about where Jeff lived?

Really went for a bend with the 9/11 implosions and military planes used on 9/11.

I think somthing is up, but no one has put the finger on it all yet.
One thing bugging me in the last few hours is why do we only have one picture of Gosch to look at. Come on Noreen!

[St. Benedict]

153. ...listening to the Gunderson replay again now...

Gunderson just said there are pictures of Jeff Gannon with the President and some other people posted on America Blog.



He is referring to the Minnesota campaign stop photos.

[troubleinwinter]

162. The man in the photo is identified as Mark Annotto,

per REUTERS:

"President George Bush rubs the head of Mark Annotto while leaving the stage after a speech Wednesday. REUTERS/Larry Downing"
http://www.michaeldellabitta.com/wordpress/index.php?p=8

If you have a link from Americablog stating a source that it is Gannon, please post a link.

[St. Benedict]

180. Pardon me, but....

that's a bunch of malarkey.

It is not Mark Annotto.

Did you even click on the links to Annotto's site to look at pictures of him? CLEARLY NOT the man in the photo.

Besides, why would a two-bit, lousy comic from New York be at a $25,000 a plate fundraiser in Minneapolis, MN for four hours? I'm sure he could afford it, right? As I am sure most comics are right wing fans of Bush - NOT!

Anyway... I digress...

The bigger problem is there's no REUTERS link, and unless the reporter Mark Zdechlik can identify the man in the photo as a stand up comic named Annotto, your theory does not hold water.

Nice try, though.

As we've said... all theories are welcome! ;0)

[useyourhead]

190. Sorry, it's NOT Gannon...

The Julius Blog shows two views of that picture you keep saying is Bush and Gannon. The picture it seems, is actually from an event with the American Association of Community Colleges, NOT a $20,000 a plate fundraiser. Also, the youg man standing next to the bald man seems likely to be his son - their profiles look alike.

http://juliusblog.blogspot.com/2004_04_01_juliusblog_archive.html

[troubleinwinter]

193. Larry Dowling

I have provided a link to the photograph crediting Reuters' Mr. Larry Dowling, and indicating the name of the man in the photo.

The photo was posted Wednesday, April 28th, and is said to have been taken on Wednesday (presumably 4/28 or the previous week, 4/21)

Nothing at all says the photo was taken in Minneapolis.


Larry Downing:

Has worked at the White House since the Carter administration; covered the White House for Newsweek; winner of the 1989 Milo Award from the Photographers Association Dinner; Award of Excellence for 9-11.

The article you link does not contain this photo. Nowhere does the article say the fundraiser was $25,000 a plate.

You claim the photo was taken by someone on Monday, 4/26, but have thus far provided NO link to the photo at all.

"a two-bit, lousy comic"? I have no idea of his abilities, nor of his politics.

[nonny]

122. Progress report on addresses from US Search

info comes from many searches (only the free) on US Search
http://www.ussearch.com/consumer/index.jsp

It lists a person's name, age (sometimes), and previous address (city & state for free)
There are many re-occurring cities which seem more than a coincidence to me.

James Dale Guckert age 47 Wilmington, DE
2 addresses in Newark, DE
5 addresses in Wilmington, DE
1 addresses in Cincinnati, OH


Same house --- relationship unknown

Debbie J. Guckert age 51 Wilmington, DE
4 addresses in Newark, DE
4 addresses in Wilmington, DE
1 address in College Park, MD
2 addresses in Chester, VA
2 addresses in Midlothian, VA

Joseph R. Guckert age 44
1 addresses in Chester, VA
3 addresses in Midlothian, VA


John C. Guckert age 50
Marshalltown, IA --------------- this link comes later

June E. Guckert Conneaut Lake PA --- same city as H.S. Guckert

Jeffrey Guckert age 34 Fairview, PA (This could be our golfer)
1 address in Miami, FL
1 address in Notre Dame, IN
2 address in South Bend, IN
5 address in Belmont, MA
5 addresses in Boston, MA
2 addresses in Waltham, MA
3 addresses in Watertown, MA
2 addresses in Detroit, MI
1 addresses in Farmington Hills, MI
2 addresses in Oak Park, MI
1 addresses in Pontiac, MI
2 addresses in Fairview, PA ------ most recent address may be on top
(explained on US search site)

_________________________________________

Jeff Gannon
1 addresses in Newark, DE
1 address in Wilmington, DE


James Gannon
3 addresses in Newark, DE
4 addresses in Toledo, OH

James A. Gannon age 53
3 addresses in Marshalltown, IA ---Marshalltown (near Des Moines)
3 addresses in College Park, MD ------- see Debbie Guckert
2 addresses in Hyattsville, MD


James P. Gannon age 44
2 addresses in Newark, DE
1 address in Temperance, MI
4 addresses in Toledo, OH


James P. Gannon age 44
1 address in Bear, DE


John Gannon age 45
2 addresses in Newark, DE


John M. Gannon
1 address in Wilmington, DE


John T. Gannon age 47
1 address in Bear, DE
2 addresses in Hockessin, DE
1 address in Newark, DE
4 addresses in Bayonne, NJ
3 addresses in Ithaca, NY


Joseph J. Gannon
1 address in Bear, DE
3 address in New Castle, DE

_______________________________

James A. Daniels age 50
4 addresses in New Castle, DE
2 addresses in Wilmington, DE

James Curtis Daniels age 44
2 addresses in Los Angeles, CA
1 address in New Castle, DE
2 addresses in Wilmington, DE
1 address in Sylvania, OH
3 address in Toledo, OH

______________________________

So what do you think? Should I continue?
Seems to me that there are many many Gannons, Guckerts, Daniels all in one age range and all have history in same cities.

I more for St. Benedict ---------

Gabriel R. Caggiano age 46
1 address in Beverly Hills, CA
1 address in Venice, CA
1 address in Everett, MA
2 addresses in Wilmington, NC
1 address in Henniker, NH
1 address in Ambler, PA
2 addresses in Glenside, PA
1 address in Jenkintown, PA
1 address in Lower Gwynedd, PA
1 address in Norristown, PA
1 address in Austin, TX
2 addresses in San Antonio, TX

[St. Benedict]

126. Yes, I have that list of addresses for Caggiano from US Search..

thank you though for thinking of me!

I am working on a big summary to post so you will see how Caggiano ties into this. Right now I have to get these pictures up for Nonny!

[troubleinwinter]

128. Intriguing!

Especially that a James Dale Guckert (47) is at the SAME address as Debbie Guckert (51) in Wilmington.

Joseph Guckert (44) appears connected to Debbie.

I wonder if Joseph is the brother 'Jeff' refered to, and Debbie is the sister-in-law.

[nonny]

140. I wonder if many of the names are aliases

Also, I wonder about the Guckerts living in Marshalltown -- which is so close to Des Moines.

Was this the connection to using the Guckert name?

Who was the other young man that went with him to visit his mother in 1997? Joseph?

[darkbeforedawn]

182. want to get #19 how? please pm

Hi!  I have been following this thread since 12. This is
riviting. I am wanting to follow it forward to # 19-- how do I
get there? Darkbeforedawn

[slaveplanet]

139. HST & Bandar Bush

Haven't been following the last few threads too close.

but has this been covered yet?

http://lakewoodbuzz.infopop.cc/eve/ubb.x/a/tpc/f/33460472/m/6971025951

apparently HST and Bandar were next store neighbors...

Bankrate: You are neighbors with Prince Bandar, the Saudi ambassador and longtime Bush family friend featured in Michael Moore's "Fahrenheit 9/11."

Hunter S. Thompson: I can see him from my front porch. He's been a pretty good neighbor; that counts for a lot out here. He will shoot some skeet now and then. I don't want to say anything really ugly about him. He's an enlightened plutocrat, I guess you call it. Michael Moore is dead right on that, and it's even worse than you think. Bandar. All kinds of roads cross out here. Networks and wires.

Bankrate: The Bush Administration seems to have lit your fuse. Are you angry again?

Hunter S. Thompson: Very angry. I'm very angry. That's why I guess I have to write this (campaign) piece for Rolling Stone. This is the darkest hour that I have seen in my long experience as an American. This is evil.

Bankrate: As a betting man, what to you think of John Kerry's chances?

Hunter S. Thompson: If there is an election on schedule -- if -- I would say 60-40 Kerry right now. I think if we can get the sportswriter's vote, the dope fiend's vote and the Grateful Dead vote, that would make a big difference. Hating Bush is not enough. You've got to vote now in self-defense. If we have another administration like this, it will be so bad that what's happening now will look like a small breakfast for what's coming next.

Bankrate: Are you surprised at where you find yourself in life?

Hunter S. Thompson: No. Not at all. I mean, the fact that I'm here at all, yeah. But since I'm here, I'm not surprised. If you're going to be crazy, you have to get paid for it or else you're going to be locked up.

http://www.bankrate.com/brm/news/investing/20041101a2.asp

[troubleinwinter]

146. Flower beds and Marine barracks

The smaller inset photo is one of the flower beds. The larger photo is from the freepers' demonstration in front of the Marine barracks at 8th & I. Check the white trim on the buildings and the row of windows on the top floor.

So Gannons "beautification project" was across the street from the Marine barracks.

Oh, Jeff, yer a riot!

[butchcjg]

151. Was he on Govt payroll??

Was Gannon was living IN the barracks during the beautifation (July 04 he says on his site)???

Which also means he had military connections during his white house stunt!

If he was in the military, he was on govt payroll...NOT a reporter!

[butchcjg]

165. Gannon and 8th & I

The Hill newspaper ran an article on July 30, 2003, about a controversy surrounding plans by the community development Eighth Street Main Streets Project to place park benches in a small triangular park at 8th and I Streets in Southeast Washington, opposite the U.S. Marine Corps Barracks. The paper reported that a "community activist" named Jeff Gannon vehemently opposed the park bench plan claiming it would attract "vagrants, alcoholics, and other 'problem personalities.'" The park is located just five blocks from the school where "reporter" Gannon's friend Schenk first located his Pentecostal church.


From: http://www.argusleaderonline.com/forum/archive/index.php/t-1504.html

[St. Benedict]

152. Gabe Caggiano on TV last night...

It turns out Gabe Caggiano had another acting job - an appearance on an episode of a softcore porn televison series for Cinemax called "Paradise Cove" - episode titled "Behind The Scenes" - and it just happened to be on Cinemax last night at 1:15 am EST!

He was not nude in it, or in a sexual situation. He appeared and had several lines in the final scene of the episode.

I taped it, and will be posting some pics from the screen I took, as well as some other comments shortly....

[ern]

159. If Gannon is Gosh

and he took the name guckert or someone gave him the name guckert when he was young (12 years old at time of abduction). The only Guckert that matches age wise is golfer jeff guckert. It's easy to add or subtract 10 years off your age as an adult , but very different for a 12 year old.

[butchcjg]

160. confused about his age....

I'm confused about Gannon, Gosch, Guckert, etc's age.

Jeff Gannon, the one who is the white house correspondent, clearly looks in his 40's to me. All my friends are in their 30s and he most definitely looks much older than they do. In som epics he looks a little younger, but in some he DEFINITELY looks his age.

How old would Gosch be? In his early 30's, right?

It seems that Gannon isn't Gosch...there are a lot of coincedences, but not much more.

But who IS Gannon? WHat are his connections?

[ern]

163. To know gannons

connections you need to know his past such as during or after West Chester University (if in fact he attended West Chester). Also I think that insignia on younger Gannons shirt is not USMC, there's too many ribbons on that insignia. The picture of gannon at a party as a young guy I don't remember the link.

[St. Benedict]

166. I confirmed with a military source...

that the T-shirt in that photo is indeed a Marine Corps logo.

[ern]

173. I spent 23

years in the military (army) and another 16 years working for the government always around military people. I worked medical around all branches of the service. I,ve not seen that insignia, maybe I missed it.

[St. Benedict]

172. Gosch's age is...

35. He was born in 1970.

There have to be two people involved to explain the age discrepancy.

[trudyco]

177. Real interesting - bald, similar in appearance, sex/reporter

definately a theme here. Glad you are pursuing this. I thought Caggiano's ears are funny on the bottom lobe.

I also thought the ear on the bald man Bush recently was petting (another Bulldog?) looked doctored. Remember the doctored Photo Bush used in his campaign.

Makes you want to go through all RW reporters and get their pics. BTW is Caggiano particularly RW biased?

Wonder if its used in CIA or other secret group - maybe bald heads blend into the crowd more. Hmmm. Isn't Carville bald these days??

[BamaBecky]

174. Trance Formation of America - CIA MK ULTRA

Today I watched their video and looked at their book. Everybody needs to see this. It will be obvious to you why after you do. No, nothing that I have seen so far about Gannon, or Gosch......just explains "the world" that Gosch fell victim too.

They name names!

http://www.trance-formation.com/

I was mad enough to split "firewood" after seeing it....in a manor of speaking.....

:puke: :argh: :wow: :cry:

[darkbeforedawn]

184. want to find rest of gannongate how?

Please help me find the next thread.  I can't seem to get it.
Thanks  

[hiley]

185. this thread is not locked

yet usually new thread after 200 posts. :hi:

Welcome to DU !

[DemonFighterLives]

186. New thread not started

17 here:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x3249598

[hiley]

188. self-delete

:shrug: sorry I read your post wrong a minute ago .

[fooj]

192. Welcome to DU! If you scroll back up to the top of the thread...

Understandinglife has it all set up! Just click on Demopedia (Wrinkles and Jeff Gannon) Happy hunting!


Peace!

[hiley]

187. child kidnapping and mind control

does piss you off, huh ? I know BamaBecky also there have been a few nights were I have been totally freaked out !

Satanism and everything esle we have had to look at and then I ended up very concerned for gannon's safety.

[troubleinwinter]

194. Noshua Advocate has a new article... a bit on the Biden thing.

"The Nashua Advocate: The Strangest Gannongate Development Yet"

'Jeff Gannon Continues to Hint at the Involvement, in Gannongate, of the Ranking Minority Member of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, Joe Biden'

http://nashuaadvocate.blogspot.com/

[Moderator]

195. Continure here...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x3264773