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blueheeler Donating Member (163 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-28-05 08:00 PM
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Freepers and the 14 year old.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1329899/posts

Freepers are pushing this story all over the web. I had it come up in a local post I participate in and I went in search of some rebuttals. I of course came up with plenty of facts to post but what really got me about this Freep position, it was written by a 14 year old girl. I am wondering if they are awar of this or have just not read the article thoroughly enough to find out!!:7
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NMDemDist2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-28-05 08:11 PM
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1. a 14 YO wrote about Alaskan Oil in 1990? n/t
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Wickerman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-28-05 08:37 PM
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2. Hows about including the story or excerpts
since you have already damaged your retinas by trekking over to Freep-land? Take one for the team!
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blueheeler Donating Member (163 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-05 07:38 AM
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5. Sure
I actually got the story originally from another source the guy cited si I put the title and author into Google(I LOVE GOOGLE :) and the first hit was freepland :evilgrin:

A large percentage of the two million barrels of oil produced every day in Alaska comes from an area known as the North Slope. The North Slope is on the eastern end of the north coast of Alaska and consists of mostly coastal plains. There are five oil fields currently in production on the North Slope; the biggest of these is Prudhoe Bay, which is also the largest oil field in North America. Another oil field of particular interest is Endicott, located about ten miles northeast of Prudhoe Bay. Endicott is the first continuous, offshore oil-producing field in the Arctic. The field is in fact two man-made islands that require a ten-mile access road and a five-mile causeway connecting the two islands. The other three fields are Kuparek, Lisburne, and Milne Point.

The Prudhoe Bay field encompasses 5,000 acres, and Endicott, the sixth largest oil field in North America, encompasses only 55 acres. It is possible for oil fields to be small because the oil wells themselves are only ten feet square. They are placed immediately next to one another.

The oil is not pumped from the wells but, when the reserve is tapped, the oil flows out under natural pressure. This means that the wells are not only small, but quiet. Modern technology has made it possible to build the oil fields on gravel pads that make a solid foundation for the equipment and insulate the underlying permafrost. Previously, oil drilling pads had to be big enough to accommodate many reserve pits to hold the waste water and mud from drilling. Now, however, a new technique of pumping the wastes back into the ground eliminates the waste of space, maintains a sub-surface pressure high enough to keep oil flowing, and reduces the possibility of spills on the tundra. If oil is not found directly beneath the well location, the well can be drilled horizontally, again reducing the area of land affected by the oil development.

When the 800-mile trans-Alaskan pipeline was built, temporary access roads were required for construction and maintenance. A breakthrough in road technology has eliminated the need for these gravel roads that leave an impact on the environment. Ocean water is pumped onto the tundra where it freezes to form an ice road from which maintenance can be done during the winter. In the summer these roads melt and leave no trace. Vehicles with huge rubber tires use the roads. Ice roads are also used for oil exploration.

There has long been a controversy between environmentalists and oil companies over whether to allow oil drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge, commonly referred to as ANWR. To put the size of the ANWR in perspective, keep in mind that Alaska contains 591,000 square miles, or about 378,000,000 acres. The ANWR is five percent of Alaska or 19 million acres. Of these acres, eight percent have been proposed for development, and only one percent would be affected by oil production.

This means that about 15,000 acres, or .004 percent of Alaska, would be affected. Actual production facilities including roads, drilling pads, living quarters, and pipelines would cover a thousand acres.

At Prudhoe Bay the vast majority of oil spills are small and never leave the gravel pads. All spills are promptly reported to government agencies and thoroughly cleaned up. There are about 250 spills each year, which sounds terrible, but a "spill" includes a single drop of oil. By this standard the average parking lot has more oil spills than that each year. Of those 250 spills, nearly half are zero - to five-gallon spills that never leave the gravel pad. The contaminated gravel is all scooped up and taken to an incinerator where the oil is burned off.

Environmentalists claim that oil drilling affects the wildlife; however, if the drill sites are any indication, most animal populations are not affected or their numbers have risen. Caribou numbers, for example, grew from 3,000 at the beginning of Prudhoe development to 5,500 at the end of development. From there the population steadily increased to its present number of 20,000 animals. A group of about 100 caribou usually winters in the Prudhoe area. The oil producing companies have taken great care to elevate the pipeline or build ramps over it for caribou migration. The only snow goose colony in the United States has also steadily increased from 50 to 180 nests.

Sometimes the oil companies are forced to use expensive means for environmental protection with questionable results. British Petroleum, the company drilling from the Endicott oil field, has been forced to install two breaches in the causeway because environmentalists felt that the Arctic cisco, a fish that spawns in nearby rivers, would not be able to reach them. It seems that many of the fish go around the causeway anyway, but British Petroleum has been very cooperative in trying to reduce the impact on the environment. Even the buildings on Endicott were assembled in Louisiana and then transported whole on a barge all the way to Alaska.

Oil drilling companies take great care to clean up and re-vegetate the areas they use. Parts of gravel pads that are not needed anymore are manually shoveled or raked up to reduce damage to the underlying vegetation. Studies have been done on what types of grasses to use to re-vegetate an area and the oil companies take pride in bringing the tundra back to its original state.

In spite of the fact that environmental effects have been minimal and the amount of land affected is small, environmental groups such as the Audubon Society still strongly oppose drilling in the ANWR. To understand why, consider the following story. In the mid-1970s, oil companies came to the Audubon Society for permission to drill on the Society's Rainey Preserve. They got an emphatic "No!" The oil companies persisted, offering approximately $2,000,000 a year in royalties. Unsure of the environmental consequences of the drilling, the Audubon Society demanded slant drilling with pads placed outside sensitive areas. The oil companies agreed. The Society demanded expensive, quiet mufflers. The oil companies agreed. The Society required that the oil companies move out during certain times of the year. The oil companies again agreed. As the Audubon magazine put it, "There was this time-clock, and when the cranes punched in, the hardhats would have to punch out."

Why the cooperation in the Rainey Preserve but not in the ANWR? Clearly the Audubon Society has a lot to gain from the drilling in the Rainey Preserve, but nothing in the ANWR. The Audubon Society can control what the oil companies do on their own preserves. On the other hand, they have no control over the oil companies when they drill on public land.

On privately owned property, both economic development and protection for the environment can be achieved through negotiation. But in property owned by the government, such negotiation is extremely difficult. Most of the land area in Alaska is locked up by government ownership. To assure that it is both developed and protected, we should consider transferring it to private owners.


The original came from a place called libertyhaven.com

Now you can rest assured you will not have to visit the dark lands :)
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blueheeler Donating Member (163 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-05 07:43 AM
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6. One huge flaw is
She claims that the Audubon Society tried to stop oil drilling on thier preserve in the 70's, the fact is they DID allow drilling and they DID recieve money, but it was natural gas drilling in the 50s and there was a stipulation that there could be no drilling during mating season(I forget the habitat bird that was mentioned.)
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Toots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-05 09:59 AM
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8. I wonder if she knows the "Perma Frost" is not
The "Perma Frost" has been melting for the first time in man's history and the oil pipeline is beginning to sag in many places. The same is true for the actual drill site mentioned. At the time these were placed there was never a thought that the "Perma Frost" would not stay "Perma". There is a disaster in the making just a short time away because of the very rapid melting that is taking place throughout Alaska.
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flaminbats Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-28-05 08:40 PM
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3. 14 year old who doesn't pay taxes!
Edited on Mon Feb-28-05 08:45 PM by flaminbats
this is land that she would privatize, or giveth to the oil companies what belongs to the working taxpayers of America. It should be saved, not consumed, for future generations. Most importantly, it is the taxpayer who should profit from value of this resource, not corporations and the wealthy.

What can we expect from a freeper? Children will trust anyone with their money, and believe in providing taxpayer-supported entitlements for those which never hesitate to overcharge all who must work for gas.

hatemyth: Buy up, and use up all of their oil reserves( OPEC ), then, when it comes time for them to look for oil, we can dictate how much we charge, and control them.

I hope we will not sell our reserves overseas, hopefully it will be rationed to the American taxpayers who now own it. I suppose "conservatives" aren't slightly worried that we are likely to have another oil shortage just as the babyboomers begin retiring.
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theorist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-28-05 08:44 PM
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4. FR Trolling 101
Watch closely. Do you see how much time they're wasting going trying to debunk an article that opposes their world view?

This is a classic example of "diversion" that I teach in my FR Trolling courses. They do it here, too, but usually without creativity (e.g. abortion, evolution). Other forms of PsyOps to use against them is "paranoia". I bet that this posting will be talked about on FR because they think I'm telling the truth, which I might actually be doing.

:)
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Viking12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-05 08:54 AM
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7. Damn YOU!!
I clicked on the link and now my eyes are burning

:spank:

:mad:

:eyes:
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oneighty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-05 10:25 AM
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9. The Alaska Permanent Fund
Wherein each and every citizen of the state of Alaska receives a pretty good chunk of cash each and every year as a dividend of the oil pumped out of their ground.

Oh boy I say--Socialism at its best. Why do these people never ever mention that fact?

I think it is a plan that should spread to all fifty states. Those profits from out of 'our' ground should be shared with each and every citizen.

This land is our land and so are the raw materials beneath.

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