.

[Stop_the_War]

never mind.

[DrWeird]

1. Let's say Goebbels was Jewish.

Would that matter?

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

23. I second this point.

It wouldn't matter if his team weren't a group of bigots.

[Zuni]

31. It would certainly make his story more bizzarre

a Jewish nazi.

A gay male prostitute republican getting special favors from Bush?

It is a very strange twist.

[G_j]

37. or Bush who sends troops to die was AWOL

or a judge sending people to prison for smoking pot, lights one up every weekend..

[DrWeird]

66. More specifically, fires homosexuals for being homosexuals.

Yet he employs one if he's a republican shill.

[ultraist]

80. With all due respect, I think that is a footnote to the big picture

Early on, with this Gannon thing, I jumped on board with the "out him group."

Yes, it's relevant, the hypocrisy, but it seems things are getting out of hand here by some (not you) who are focusing on the sexual orientation or skin color of the few who have joined up with the oppressor group. It's being taken too far, IMO. The real problem is the oppressor group, the main power holders of that group, not a very small percentage of them who have left their own communities.

[ronnykmarshall]

2. It's not about him being gay ..

It's about him being a WHORE!!!

[Padraig18]

3. Yes, it's about the lying.

I agree with your post 100%.

:thumbsup:

[qanda]

4. Must you start one of these type of thread every siingle day?

[Padraig18]

5. Why not? People start threads mentioning he's gay every day. n/t

[ET Awful]

8. Come on Paddy, quit being such a heterophobe!

:evilgrin:

(I'm kidding, you knew that right?)

[Padraig18]

9. LOL

Yeah, I know.

:P

[rman]

10. "mentioning he's gay" does not equate to "homophobic"

-

[Padraig18]

12. Every damned day, in every damned post?

:wtf:

[Zuni]

I think if he was just gay it wouldn't be an issue

but his phony credentials, his aliases and the fact he was a pornographer and a prostitute make it an issue.
Face it---this guy was really strange.

[Padraig18]

56. There's no proof he's gay.

There's proof he's a prostitute, which is why this incessant hammering on the 'gay' angle is starting to piss some of us off.

[Zuni]

Well, he had sex with men for money

He could be straight as an arrow, but his behavior certainly conflicts with his anti-gay reporting and the administration he is shilling for.

[Padraig18]

74. That's means he's a WHORE; it doesn't mean he's GAY!

What is so hard to understand about that concept?

[Zuni]

13. no, people mention his very bizarre lifestyle

Most gay men aren't prostitutes who have a plethora of graphic porno sites.

[Padraig18]

18. It's about the lying.

Anyone with two eyes can see that there has been WAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY to much emphasis given to the fact that he's gay; some posts on this site have resembled FreeRepublic way too much on the subject of Gannon's sexuality.

[jpgray]

21. Point some out to us.

I've heard this, but I have yet to see these posts.

[Padraig18]

28. Don't play that shit with me.

A lot of straight people haven't seen them, quite obviously. I'm not becoming your personal research assistant andf waste half the fucking afternoon loking them up for you.

[DrWeird]

33. If you're accusing DUers of being homophobic...

for talking about Gannon's sexuality, you better be able to back that up.

[Padraig18]

39. I CAN 'back it up'.

Not that I have any obligation to YOU to do so.

[DrWeird]

68. Actually, yes, you do.

You've got a moral obligatin.

[Padraig18]

73. Actually, I don't.

I have no obligation to pull the blinders off of anyone.

[ultraist]

71. The post: GAY white supremacists, is one

Why doesn't it read WHITE SUPREMACIST gays? Because the lynching mentality is spreading like a disease around here.

Keep your eye on the ball. WHO IS THE REAL OPPRESSOR? It is NOT the gay community and it is NOT the Black community. It is the WHITE HETERO community that holds MOST of the power.

Please stop demonizing the victims because a detached subculture of that community, a very small percentage of people, are siding with the oppressor group!

Focusing on lychning people like Alan Keyes or Gannon due to their blackness or gayness is extremely misguided. WHO IS THE REAL ENEMY HERE? WHO HOLDS THE POWER?

Let's not get diverted from the big picture.

[qanda]

15. This exact same poster starts either a thread about race

Or one about homophobic DUers every single day. I'm just paying attention to the trend.

[Zuni]

6. pointing out that he is a male prostitute and pornographer

to me is much closer to the issue.


There are lots of gay reporters. Very few are prostitutes (actually only 1 I can think of). And very few prostitutes are given inside positions in the WH Press Corps and secret CIA documents.

[rman]

7. please tell me: who's being homophibic?

on DU most by far aren't.
i'd suggest we don't pay much attention to a few loud mouths.

[jpgray]

11. So if he were a straight prostitute, we could talk about that all we want?

Your argument makes no sense whatsoever.

[Padraig18]

16. It's about the lying, not the sex, for fuck's sake!

:eyes:

[jpgray]

19. An uncredentialed prostitute in the WH press corps isn't news to you?

So what's the real story--that the guy used a fake name?

:shrug:

[Padraig18]

22. How does the fact that he's gay change the fact that it's about lying?

No, people are absolutely wallowing in the 'gay angle' of this thing, and I'm getting sick and fucking tired of it.

:grr:

[jpgray]

29. People are wallowing in the prostitution--his being gay is ancillary to it

If he were simply homosexual and that was that, then focusing on the "gay" angle wouldn't make sense to me either. Just as if a reporter were cheating on his wife--personal lives; not our business to dig up. But if you are a publicly advertised male prostitute with no journalism credentials who was given a press pass for murky reasons and who shills daily for the administration, I don't give a shit WHAT your sexual orientation is, your prostitution is newsworthy.

[Padraig18]

36. No, it's not 'ancillary'.

People can NOT post about him without throwing in 'gay', and it's beginning to piss some of us off BIG TIME, as is most straight posters' total indifference to the bigotry.

[jpgray]

52. Let me shake it away from your own bias so you can see

Two headlines:

"Black Man Revealed To Be Major KKK Member"

"Man Revealed To Be Major KKK Member"

Which is the more significant story? Are you still sure his orientation isn't newsworthy or important to the story? In this case it isn't racism to point out the man's race, it is crucial for full comprehension of the story.

[Padraig18]

60. Let me point out some *facts* to you

there's no proof hatsoever that he's GAY; there is proof that he is a prostitute. Does shed even a tiny glimmer of ligt on why some of us are beginning to get pissed off on the incessant yammering about the 'gay' aspect?

[Liberal Veteran]

76. So, you have no problem with him PROFITTING off the gay community...

...by engaging in same-sex prostitution while simultaneously bashing gay people?

If he's not really "gay" (to your specification) then that makes it even worse. He's certainly been engaging in same-sex sexual activity and that makes him at least situationally "gay".

[Padraig18]

83. Did I say anything like that?

No, I didn't. Nice strawman, though.

:eyes:

[jpgray]

79. That's true

I think people aren't very careful about using "gay" to mean "one who engages/has engaged in homosexual acts" as opposed to it meaning "one who is truly and naturally homosexual", etc. Is that what the problem is? However, that the sex acts he sold were homosexual in nature still seems to me an important part of this story--even if he isn't truly gay, that he would engage in those acts while aiding and abetting those who persecute gays is newsworthy.

[Padraig18]

84. Yes, that's what the problem is, jpgray.

We don't know that he's gay, bisexual or straight. All we know is that he's a lying whore.

[Zuni]

25. If Gannon was a gigolo and straight pornographer

it would still be scandalous. The fact that the WH gave him all kinds of special treatment to this shady character, wether straight or gay, is scandalous.

The fact that this WH is also very homophobic makes it very hypocritical.

[Padraig18]

30. We have a winner!

His sexual orientation has ZERO to do with the story.

[DrWeird]

35. Did you read the whole post?

Specifically the last sentence?

[Padraig18]

40. Golly gee, no I* didn't.

DOH! *drool*

Of course I read the whole post.

:eyes:

[benburch]

14. Whose side are you on?

Do you really support closeted gay people trying to destroy our rights?

I am bi, so I have a right to say this.

There is not a shred of homophobia here. Not one.

What we have here is rubbing the Fascists noses in their own homophobia and hypocrisy.

ALL closeted gay Republicans need to be outed.

And we will not stop until we discredit them, destroy them, and bring down their fucking closeted "President."

If you don't like it, tough. Get out of the way.

[Zuni]

48. The GOP's whole 'moral values' foundation needs to be exposed

as the pack of lies it always has been.

[Us vs Them]

59. AMEN n/t

[devilgrrl]

17. Please stop being an over-sensitive whiner!

Nobody here is being homophobic - now QUIT IT! :spank:

[Dookus]

20. I don't think it's homophobic

to point out that he's a gay prostitute. It adds to the hypocrisy involved.

The only thing that's bothered me in these discussions is the occasional attempt to compare it or link it to pedophilia.

[robbedvoter]

43. Male prostitute - we don't know about gay actually.

being gay is about a preference - this guy's preference is ...money. So, keep it "male prostitute", mention that he is a "top man" and wonder who did he sleep with at the WH? And was his nickname "Pretzel"?

[Dookus]

81. Sorry

Gannon isn't some street-hustler letting guys blow him for 20 bucks so he can score a meal.

He's a gay escort. Saying "Male prostitute" doesn't refer to his clientele. They are gay, and whether Gannon is gay or bi, he sure ain't straight.

The gay angle *IS* relevant to the story, despite the protestations of some.

[Liberal Veteran]

82. At the very least, he is "situationally gay" or "gay for pay".

Whether he is a closeted homosexual or not.

[thebigidea]

24. hey, good idea. lets attack ourselves intead of Bush/Gannon/Rove

because as we all know, its those evil liberals who are the homophobic ones. God, if only we had 1% of the compassion and love Republicans have for gays, we would win more elections.

this seems extremely counterproductive, and strikes me as exactly the sort of response Rove and co would love to see from the left.

and its so typical left, too. massive scandal on the right wing, but forget that - lets get into endless arguments about anything BUT the scandal.

and some moron better not piously croak some garbage about "becoming just like them" - yeah, well - let me know when we start wars based on lies and base most of a presidential campaign on denying rights to gays.

[Walt Starr]

26. The fact is, he was a prostitute

That's the major fact here.

[robbedvoter]

27. It would be poetic justice that gay sex would undo BFEE

Of course the problems with Gannon are that he is a prostitute, fake journalist, GOP operative dispatched to control press conferrences, was involved in the Plame affair and who knows what else. Still, the question; whom did he had to sleep with to get that pass can have answers that can turn off some of the W's little admirers ...
My dream was always for him to be laughed out of the office - and gannon, the 'top man" may just be the ticket...

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34. My feelings

If someone wants to use the sex industry angle, fine. Don't mention that he was gay because that's not the real issue. He was a paid escort, a hooker. The people who take exception to his sexual orientation will do so without our having to point it out.

[tuvor]

57. His homosexuality IS a part of the issue

because "Gannon's" gotten special treatment from an administration who purports to hate something so benign.

Without the homosexuality aspect, the sheer hypocrisy of bush and his buddies is not as contemptible.

[Lone_Star_Dem]

72. I understand what you're saying

Once it was exposed I feel we should press the sex industry angle and let them chew on the gay part. It's out there. Tweety was having a fit over it. The homophobic people will carry this angle more readily if we don't shove it at them constantly. That puts them on the defensive before they have a chance to decry the "shame" of it. Let them rant over his lifestyle for a bit. Then you hit them with their hypocrisy.

What's happening here is they are trying to use this to eclipse the real issue of how and why he was in the press corps. It's relevant that he was gay, I agree. However, we need to pace our attack.

That's just my view of the situation.

On edit: By saying we should press the sex industry angle I don't mean to let his lack of credentials not be covered. That should get voiced loudly and daily.

[Name removed]

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[Padraig18]

44. How many times are people going to post mentioning his sexuality?

It gets annoying, doesn't it?

[Lone_Star_Dem]

49. I'm tired of it

It's not the point and the homophobic morons will figure it out on their own. It's not what we should be harping on.

[benburch]

51. Until the Republicans stop bing hypocrites?

Or until they are destroyed as a political force.

Either one.

Padraig, consider this is payback for Monica.

[Padraig18]

54. Oh, and gay people get to be the 'club'?

Gee, thanks.

:eyes:

[Liberal Veteran]

62. I call it poetic justice.

Letting someone fall on the sword they helped sharpen.

[benburch]

77. If we can be the "club" that brings down this "presidency", I'm honored.

I'm pretty much prepared to give my life to do this, so using my sexuality instead is no problem.

[benburch]

45. Horribly tedious.

Skinner ought to just lock these things and ditch them to the archives when they appear.

[Padraig18]

50. He ought to lock about 90% of the Gannon posts period. n/t

[Name removed]

55. Deleted message

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[geniph]

41. It's relevant because he's made overtly homophobic statements

which is the worst stinking hypocrisy I can imagine.

Besides, a lot of those of us making those digs at him are ourselves GLBT folks.

[Padraig18]

47. You know he's gay?

Do you know it for a fact? No, all you or any other poster here knows is that he was a male prostitue.

[Liberal Veteran]

58. Okay...so he's "gay for pay".....

...does that really make a difference?

[Padraig18]

61. Yes, it does.n/t

[Liberal Veteran]

42. Screw that. I say expose him to the hell of his own creation.

I couldn't care less that he is gay. It's his alliance with a party that seeks to oppress me for being openly gay that pisses me off.

And I have no compunction about exposing someone and letting his own "friends" in the conservative community eat him alive.

I have nothing against gambling, but I have no problem with William Bennett being outed as a compulsive gambler.

I think adultery is a private matter, but I have nothing against Newt Gingrich being outed as an adulter.

I have no problem with prostitution, but I take a special glee in watching Swaggart take a fall for hooking up with hookers.

And being gay myself, I know there is nothing wrong with that, but I say let that asshole be outed to the whole world and see how "accepting" his allies in the republican party really are.

[Zuni]

67. right on!

I play poker every week for money, but I loved when Bill Bennett was shown to be a compulsive gambler despite his self rightous public persona

[BigBearJohn]

75. Wish I had said that, Liberal Veteran. You summed it up for me.

This whole scandal reveals what fucking hypocrites the RW are!
I love watching this every bit as much as I did when Swaggert
got arrested for picking up prostitutes.

[BrklynLiberal]

46. In this case, it is not about his being gay. It is about his lying and

being a prostitute, and having access to the WH press conferences.
I think that, even in the cases where the RW Homophobes are being outed as gay, it is not the fact that they are gay that is the real point, but the fact that they are HYPOCRITICAL, SELF-LOATHING gays that is the point. That they are willing to betray others of their own kind due to their self-loathing is the point. One does not need to "out" self-loathing blacks or Jews, as in most cases, it is quite obvious. In cases like Gonzales, or Blackwell, Clarence Thomas, or Jewish Neo-Nazis, it is/was obvious that those people are trying to deny what and who they are, and in so doing are betraying those who fought before them for the liberties they are enjoying. In the case of the closet homosexuals who are supporting Repuke anti-gay agendas, there is no obviousness of who they are. "Outing" them is the only way to point out their hypocrisy and betrayal of all those who went before them to fight for the rights they enjoy, and they are endangering by their behavior.

[Padraig18]

63. Ding, ding, ding! It's about the lying! *applause*

:thumbsup:

[YNGW]

53. Hey, you tried.

Now everyone can return to their regularly scheduled homophobia.

[devilgrrl]

64. Who's the homophobe?

DUer's? Or "Jeff Gannon" who dubbed John Kerry as the "first gay President" amongst other gay baiting comments....

Huh?

[Name removed]

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[Us vs Them]

65. Look, I'm sorry you feel bad about this.

But I can't see what you're afraid of. To be quite fair and honest, you have no idea of the sexuality of these so called 'homophobic' posters. We ALL find something fishy about this Gannon situation and we are trying to wade through the facts.

Please do not personally wrap up your own sexuality in this debate. There is a time and place for everything.

[BigBearJohn]

78. Exactly right. He IS wrapping up his own sexuality in this debate.

Let's get rid of *, then we can start fighting for gay rights.
We are confusing too many issues. Causing fighting within the
ranks. Oh... maybe that's the plan.

[sundog]

70. This is getting stale

there's a poll in the glbt forum that shows where we stand percentage-wise...

Flame wars seem to make more noise, but don't necessarily represent where the majority of glbt's stand as a whole.